[11:52:00] werdna: do you know when do you have time to look at lqt bugs? [11:53:27] Nikerabbit: I'll try to get to it tonight, but I've got some stuff to prepare for a meeting tomorrow and I'm horribly sleep deprived [11:53:31] otherwise tomorrow night for sure [11:53:40] (time is 2300) [11:54:32] werdna: okay [11:54:54] I just wanted to know that it's on your list [11:56:20] can you mail me a list? Is it just the replying from new messages one [12:43:23] werdna: the session fail on first try is most critical, imho [17:59:58] TrevorParscal: hey, does 13-15 May work for you, for Berlin? [18:00:08] yes [18:00:29] much better than the weekend of the 21st, as you may have gleened from my response on wiki [18:00:34] TrevorParscal: yeah [18:00:43] are they considering changing the date again? [18:00:46] TrevorParscal: so I am going to update your strawpoll thingy http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2011#Straw_Poll [18:00:56] TrevorParscal: we are trying to get everyone for 13-15 May [18:00:56] through the 15th? uh oh [18:01:17] apergos: well, I imagine that a few people will arrive late or leave early [18:01:18] uh oh? [18:01:22] It's a bit confusing. At first they said it was gonna be 20-22, then they said they were looking at either than or 13-15 [18:01:27] ok I'll have to see how it goes [18:01:34] ("they said" == Nicole edited the wiki page :) ) [18:02:35] TrevorParscal: I have updated your line on https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2011#Straw_Poll [18:02:50] sweetness [18:03:53] i can see that the 13th weekend is going to get a amount more people [18:04:27] and 6 of those people who were no on the 21st are staff... wow [18:04:32] Apparently RobLa's daughter turns 5 in the weekend of the 20th [18:04:42] "Registration will open next week (March 4th, at the latest!)" [18:04:45] both weekends suck for me ;) [18:10:47] vvv: I shall update that [18:10:53] Bryan: I'm sorry about that [18:11:44] ah well, I'll only miss the Friday, so it's not that bad [18:11:59] RoanKattouw: interestingly my daughter's b-day is the 21st, robla's daughter's b-day is the 22nd, and keri's daughter's b-day is the 23rd [18:12:17] TrevorParscal: connect four! [18:12:24] Who is Keri? [18:12:36] Carrie Smith? or someone else with a similar name? [18:13:00] yes, sorry [18:13:02] Carrie [18:23:28] who here reads Planet Wikimedia? [18:25:18] sometimes [18:39:43] *sumanah reads the Signpost [18:40:21] It seems today's issue isn't out yet [18:41:07] mhmm [18:41:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom [18:41:27] ;) [18:41:32] TrevorParscal: Vector/SectionEditLinks is reviewed and OK. Made two small tweaks in SVN [18:41:40] awesome [18:41:42] thank you! [18:41:51] will take a look [18:45:56] Today I'm updating http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_Past_Projects [18:46:52] with special attention to bawolff, SHL, Jeroen, Sanyam, SLaporte, & Peter17's work [18:47:00] (from last year) [18:48:45] I know my heads already hurting... And if it's just me.. But sumanah looking at that page, the small amounts of text between the headigns, makes them look ab it askew... [18:49:26] Reedy: you mean for the Summer of Code past projects? [18:49:30] yeah [18:49:37] i think it's because they're both bold [18:49:42] but it's only one heading size smaller [18:49:52] Reedy: yeah, I understand. Want to fix? [18:50:04] Just looking what to do.. [18:50:16] Making it another heading size smaller looks like just bold. Hmm [18:53:23] Reedy: I suggest turning the "Status as of 2010" header + the actual status into a single line, bolding "Status as of 2010" for readability/scannability [18:53:39] and not using the header tag [18:53:52] That sounds sensible [18:56:13] Reedy: (Just so you know, I'm not getting the same visual pain from the current page as you are, but I can be kind of insensitive aesthetically) [18:56:43] My headaches are getting worse again, so I'm not sure if it's I shouldn't be sat staring at a screen ;) [18:57:09] Reedy: you know the 20-20-20 rule? [18:57:36] To do with time spent looking at things? [18:57:37] every 20 minutes, break for 20 seconds to look at something at least 20 feet away. You can set Workrave or similar software to remind you of this [18:57:39] yeah [19:29:41] Re: The February Report (2), "Rich-text editor ??? In February, Trevor Parscal continued to assess technologies in preparation for the upcoming rich-text editor project for MediaWiki." Is there a page discussing what is and isn't in the remit of this project? Thanks! :) [19:30:19] TrevorParscal: ----^^ [19:30:58] what's going on? [19:31:22] you want to discuss the research I'm doing? [19:32:07] Only very superficially, the direction of the project. [19:33:47] Is it an incremental thing? [19:35:36] TrevorPascal: compared to say, wikEd (hope I've got that right). [19:36:50] wikEd is a code editor [19:37:19] we are looking at creating a visual editor, that will allow users to manipulate the content of the page directly, in-place [19:37:46] And then hit a save button? [19:37:58] Thanks, think I've got it now. [19:38:42] we are exploring both the use of the existing revision model, as well as other models including real-time collaborative editing such that Wave or Etherpad has [19:39:45] Great :) Would you mind if I quoted you on this at some point (possibly today) for The Signpost ([[WP:SIGNPOST]])? [20:39:26] ^demon: ping [20:39:31] probably not here. [20:57:07] alolita: Are we in x2003 ? [21:54:45] robla: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2011#Topics [22:15:14] sumanah, btw, River Tarnell on wikitech-l is king of the Toolserver pretty much. ;-) He's like the head sysadmin (and is contracted by WMDE for that). [22:16:22] So it's more of a "if you're talking about this I should come since it's my job" and not a "I'm interested in discussing X". [22:19:08] thanks kibble! [22:19:27] np, welcome to the WMF too! [22:21:47] omg kibble :O [22:21:55] omg Sam? [22:23:20] hey there [22:23:31] I m not sure if this is the correct place to ask [22:23:37] but I had q on gsoc [22:23:45] Ask ahead [22:24:04] What all should I do to prove by coding skills? [22:24:32] *my [22:24:37] Best advice I can give you is to just get involved in MW development now [22:24:45] ok [22:24:55] as in solve bugs/ implement features? [22:24:59] Yup [22:25:08] Yeah [22:25:21] Or write a semi-useful extension [22:25:32] what does mediawiki involve other than php, mysql, jscript? [22:25:46] At the raw elements, it's that [22:25:53] But it breaks down into a lot more specialised areas [22:26:00] And you can stay away from JS if you want to [22:26:05] heh [22:26:08] You don't use some frame work right? [22:26:15] Only our own [22:26:19] oh :P [22:26:31] So most of the code is OOP? [22:26:55] Pretty much [22:27:01] great [22:27:30] Is there some project on ajaxifying something? [22:27:48] Various bits are being ajaxified as things are rewritten, or in new extensions, for example [22:28:00] There's some legacy JS that's slowly being ported to jQuery [22:28:02] robla: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Berlin_Hackathon_2011#Topics [22:28:29] great [22:28:43] mayanks43: If you want to help in the "modernize our JS" department, I suggest you talk to Krinkle , he's kind of taking the lead on that and will probably be able to help you [22:28:50] ok [22:28:59] (telling you what can be improved, mostly) [22:29:10] Everything? [22:29:12] *Reedy hides [22:30:17] What does the mobile site use currently? [22:30:25] Hahahha [22:30:26] Some Ruby gateway [22:30:30] ok [22:30:30] That's a much bigger discussion [22:30:38] WMF is looking at hiring someone to reimplement the whole thing in PHP [22:30:53] What's the diff between the mobile site and the normal site? [22:31:01] stripped down or smthg? [22:31:03] The mobile site is completely seperate [22:31:06] ok [22:31:22] I would really be interested in something like that [22:31:46] I signed up on the wiki page [22:32:12] then I should download source and get started? [22:32:40] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/How_to_become_a_MediaWiki_hacker [22:33:23] great [22:33:47] No git ? [22:33:55] nope, not atm [22:33:58] ok [22:37:35] do i attempt fixing any type of bug or are there some special ones for beginners? [22:37:59] There is the easy tag in Bugzilla [22:38:09] ok [22:38:11] It's not super reliable but you can look there to get started I guess [22:38:39] mayanks43: If you're looking to get some experience and get used to the names of functions, code conventions etc. let me know! [22:38:56] (javascript related) [22:38:58] sure , i'll ask you!! [22:39:20] !r 83488 | RoanKattouw [22:39:20] --elephant-- RoanKattouw: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/83488 [22:39:59] RoanKattouw: super reliable as in? [22:40:20] Not everything in there is equally easy, and not everything that's easy is in there [22:40:39] ok [22:40:53] And some things may be easy for someone looking to work on databases, but may be hard for someonel ooking to work in javascript. [22:41:19] cool [22:42:49] The mobile site rewrite will be a big project right? [22:43:02] Yeah [22:43:20] We're looking to hire someone specifically for that [22:43:35] meow [22:44:14] can't we rewrite mediawiki in ruby on rails instead? [22:44:23] lol [22:45:02] Ruby on rails is not very popular with web servers i think [22:45:10] is it? [22:45:42] *Nikerabbit pokes troll-hashar with a stick :) [22:45:54] :) [22:46:03] I am sorry, heading bed! have fun! [22:49:56] Or we rewrite MediaWiki in NodeJS and plaintext .data files [22:50:10] xml? [22:50:23] :P [22:50:34] xml, cvs, something like that [22:50:52] what is semantic wiki? [22:52:53] seems like something that handles dbs [22:53:36] It asociates data with a page with key/value pairs [22:53:51] bindings? [22:54:24] ie. Article about Amsterdam at [[Amsterdam]] could say "And X number of people live here and is the capital of the Netherlands". [22:54:46] with SMW you could put those numbers as a page property and get them from somewhere else [22:55:06] ie. a list of all cities in holland sorted by number of people or something. I dont know what the applications are just what it can do. [22:55:22] ok [22:58:37] cool then I'll start hacking mediawiki and bug this channel :P [22:59:02] For MW support questions #mediawiki is usually better [22:59:12] But there's not a very clear separation between that channel and this one in practice anyway [22:59:24] this one is for? [22:59:53] i saw the dev suffix and thought it would be for devs [23:00:17] and the other one for normal usage problems [23:00:18] See topic [23:00:32] That would be a sensible divison [23:00:42] And I argued for it, but most people didn't seem to like it [23:00:52] mediawiki / wikimedia [23:01:01] mediawiki == mediawiki & mediawiki-dev [23:01:22] #wikimedia-dev == wikimedia foundation dev (ie. wikipedia specific things) [23:01:27] but talk wherever you like :D [23:01:35] ohk :) [23:01:49] thanks a lot [23:02:49] #mediawiki is about the MediaWiki software ;; #wikimedia (general), #wikimedia-dev (software) #wikimedia-tech (hardware) is about the foundation websites and projects. [23:03:04] rah, I'm talking too much :) back to work. [23:03:15] lol [23:18:10] mayanks43: just wanted to welcome you and wish you good luck [23:20:14] thnx sumanah :) [23:38:40] http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2011/03/big-cheese-will-be-back.html [23:57:42] robla: other than wikitech-l, here, and #mediawiki, where do you think I should reach out to the existing MediaWiki community to alert them re GSoC? [23:58:50] sumanah: I think that's good for now. once the window officially opens for student apps, we should probably go out to the techblog and perhaps really ramp up the recruiting effort [23:59:19] robla: ok