[01:31:17] Uh oh, this looks messed up: [01:31:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Top_icon2/testcases&action=edit&preload=Template:Documentation/preload-testcases [01:31:22] UNIQ383b420d6b1b7d82-nowiki-00000000-QINU{{BASEPAGENAME}}UNIQ383b420d6b1b7d82-nowiki-00000001-QINU [08:40:17] guillom: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/s-4/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A213.5.64.179 [08:40:23] you have powers there ? [08:40:44] thedj, I don't think so [08:41:21] I don't even think I have an account ;) [08:41:28] *thedj neither [08:41:34] no SUL there [08:41:51] TimStarling: you perhaps ? [08:44:12] roan would, but he's not around [08:44:52] yeah, he was more than around during the weekend, he deserves to not be around :D [08:45:09] true [08:45:12] that guy is too good for this world. [08:46:03] No, it just means the world needs more Roans. [09:03:43] Who cares? [09:03:49] It's an unindexed test wiki. [09:06:46] *guillom taps awkwardly on Shirley's shoulder. [09:07:06] *Shirley licks guillom. [09:07:13] I moved some UW stuff around on mw.org. [09:07:19] I figured you'd notice eventually. [09:07:36] I saw. [09:07:36] If I never see "WMF project" in a page title again, I'd be quite happy. [09:08:20] Yeah, well, at the time it was a quick fix (to move them out of the Project: namespace) [09:08:44] *Shirley NP: "You and Me" by Penny & the Quarters from "Blue Valentine (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)" [14:19:05] TimStarling: can you block a vandal on prototype ? [14:19:27] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/sandbox.4/Main_Page [14:19:46] http://prototype.wikimedia.org/sandbox.4/Special:Contributions/213.5.64.179 [14:20:01] lol [14:20:12] flooded http://prototype.wikimedia.org/sandbox.4/Special:RecentChanges [14:24:28] why? [19:52:46] Krinkle, we should run away from #mediawiki ;) [19:52:56] :D [19:53:15] We should build a remote self-destruct in mediaWiki [19:53:22] ie. let 1.16 explode when 1.20 is out. [19:53:38] 1.12, 1.13, serious ? [19:53:57] :D [19:54:09] There was someone with 1.13 wondering why have of the api features weren't there [19:54:12] Oh, let me guess... [19:54:17] They didnt' exist :P [19:54:42] well, atleast they're not running PHP4 [19:54:44] http://wiki.davical.org/w/Special:Version [19:54:48] I'm not going onto my godaddy account to help this guy out [19:55:04] heh [19:55:08] That's PHP 5 [19:55:10] but postgres ;) [19:56:06] http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=godaddy+setup+databae+server [19:56:09] Is it really so hard? [19:56:52] !g t [19:56:52] --elephant-- I don't know anything about "g". You might try: !1.17wmf1 !b !class !despair !e !rev !vectorspans [19:57:05] lol [19:57:08] Perhaps a function in mw-bot that returns the first google hit [19:57:09] !googl [19:57:09] --elephant-- I don't know anything about "googl". [19:57:11] !google [19:57:11] --elephant-- I don't know anything about "google". [19:57:17] they have that in #wordpress, really handy [19:57:20] or just do basically lmgtfy [19:57:21] ;) [19:57:22] the "feel lucky" result. [19:57:41] not just for people that need help, but as a way to quickly link to something [19:57:47] Mhmm [19:57:48] like we use !r and !bug [19:57:56] I can't even remember what I was going to do now [19:57:57] Fun. [19:59:00] !g what to do now [19:59:00] --elephant-- I don't know anything about "g". You might try: !1.17wmf1 !b !class !despair !e !rev !vectorspans [19:59:25] lol [19:59:37] I think we should start charging per query answered [19:59:53] [] .g what to do know [19:59:54] [wordpress-doc-bot] Krinkle: http://www.pearsonassessments.com/HAIWEB/Cultures/en-us/Productdetail.htm%3FPid%3DPAa58000 [20:02:11] Mmmm [20:02:16] It can't be too difficult [20:02:26] if google had an API, yes. [20:02:30] afaik it scraps html [20:02:54] There was a search API [20:02:57] they removed it :( [20:03:06] There's some form of one somewhere [20:19:29] RoanKattouw! [20:19:38] Reedy! [20:19:50] :O [20:21:12] RoanKattouw: Hm.. no wgProto on mw.config ? [20:21:33] *Krinkle trying to properly make a simple mw.util.expandUrl [20:21:40] What is wgProto ? Was it available before? [20:21:49] RoanKattouw: Only in PHP [20:21:56] Global suck [20:22:02] So export it [20:22:11] k [20:22:26] ResourceLoaderStartupModule::getConfig() [20:23:35] *Krinkle looking forward to the day the only window JS variables will be $, jQuery, mw and mediaWiki by default :D [21:21:42] I should probably eat [21:24:27] Reedy: something else than bag full of candies? [21:25:33] Yeah, a meal would be good [21:25:43] I've not had many sweets today [21:26:16] krinkle:w krinkle$ svn log -r 50000:HEAD | grep suck -A3 -B3 [21:26:27] xD - A lot of stuff sucks [citation needed] [21:26:34] [citation provided] ^ [21:27:04] Reedy: You have the most 'suck' mentions on your name [21:27:09] haha [21:27:18] over 50 since r50,000 [21:27:22] I can't even remember what i've marked as suck? [21:27:32] phase3 $ svn log -r 50000:HEAD | grep suck -A3 -B3 [21:27:34] try it :) [21:27:39] takes about a minute [21:27:43] heh [21:27:49] how about me :o [21:27:52] "Assignment in loop conditions suck" [21:28:01] Krinkle, i mark a lot of things as sucking [21:28:14] "Extract sucks" [21:28:18] "Did I mention MySQL sucks" [21:28:27] :D [21:40:53] RoanKattouw: Maybe I'm not seeing the obvious but can I use the result of properties as a generator for another ?> [21:41:00] eg http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=File:%22Sawers%22,_Belfast_-_geograph.org.uk_-_574738.jpg&prop=categories [21:41:03] to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Category:Images_from_the_Geograph_British_Isles_project_needing_categories_in_grid_J3374&prop=info [21:41:07] to get missing="" infor [21:42:14] I'd like to get which categories a file is in and whether they are 'redlinked' or not. [21:42:48] eh, both on Commons ofcourse :) [21:46:37] Sure [21:46:43] generator=categories&prop=info [21:56:45] Right, so did miss the obvious [21:56:54] I thought that linked it to list instead of properties [21:57:19] simple :) http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=File:%22Sawers%22,_Belfast_-_geograph.org.uk_-_574738.jpg&generator=categories&prop=info [22:15:34] Hmm [22:15:41] I've an aussie speaking in norweigan to me [22:15:47] And a Norweigan speaking dutch to me [22:21:36] What the ... [22:21:48] Those are both unusual combinations [22:21:51] Indeed [22:22:10] Though, the norweigan is dating the aussie, and the norweigan knows many languages ;) [22:22:18] There's no reason why an Australian would learn Norwegian (seriously, they must be close to polar opposites), and there's no reason any foreign national would learn Dutch :P [22:22:21] Ah, that explains half of it [22:22:30] haha [22:22:37] AFAIK she learnt dutch at school [22:22:48] Seriously. I have an uncle in NZ whose wife figured she'd like to learn Dutch [22:23:02] After like 4 classes everyone had quit except my aunt and her mother [22:23:05] haha [22:23:09] So they quit after a couple more classes [22:23:49] Huh, last time I was travelling I was twice told that I had an Irish accent and once that I had French. Now tell me how *those* two languages are similar [22:24:20] Haha, gaelic will have french influences i imagine [22:24:28] not sure how you sound either though vvv :P [22:25:27] I know I've had Calafornians think I was Australian, but that's not too suprising as a lot of americans don't seem to tell the difference, same for kiwis [22:26:11] kiwis? [22:26:25] New Zealanders [22:26:31] The best excuse for a bad accent is garlic. No idea why, but everbody says it is. [22:26:38] Are they really that tasty? [22:26:47] vvv: In fact, how either French or Gaelic is similar to Russian beats me as well [22:27:46] I believe Irish accents usually have a distinctive, sharp, but still mostly American-like 'r', while Russian accents typically have a more rolling, Scottish-like 'r' [22:28:19] RoanKattouw: I am unable to pronounce Russian hard "r", that makes my speech sound weird in Russian [22:28:20] Reedy: "Weird accent that sounds British-like but not like the Brits I know. Must be Australian then!" [22:28:27] And the french also have a special 'r' [22:28:35] Kinda like rj [22:29:04] It sounds funny because ususally it is a speech disorder associated with 6-year-old kids [22:29:06] It sounds more like something between [r] and [x] (the Dutch g/ch sound, Spanish x sound) to me [22:30:19] Luckily, a person who was a replacement of god in Soviet Union also had the same disorder, so people did not make fun of me because of my soft "r" [22:30:47] hah [22:31:41] An hour later and I've still not eaten [22:31:41] Hmm [22:32:22] You're making me hungry Reedy [22:32:32] haha [22:32:56] It'd be much easier if I didn't have to eat [22:33:01] And I wouldn't miss it [22:33:40] Yeah, like a tool that you plug into and it just feeds you [22:33:50] IV drip would do me [22:34:02] Tastes like crap though [22:34:04] You really can't survive without 24h stores, can you? :) [22:34:14] No, it doesn't taste like anything if it's an IV [22:34:22] But then again you're not supposed to put the dripper on your mouth [22:34:24] But it's not going in your mouth [22:34:26] ;D [22:34:31] We've 24/6 stores here ;) [22:35:00] And just because places are open 24/7 doesn't increase my likelihood of eating [22:35:27] Well no, but by the time your body forces you to eat, normal stores are closed [22:35:34] Indeed, imagine having to move all the way that store and back. [22:35:44] My kitchen is closer [22:35:45] Actually [22:35:48] I don't have to move [22:35:52] Order pizza via the internet [22:35:55] then walk to the front door [22:35:56] that's closer [22:36:04] RoanKattouw: what's that time? [22:36:07] Ah, you have one of those kitchens on wheels ? [22:36:27] There's a website where you can order takeaway from numerous places for delivery [22:36:32] vvv: Well it's 22:41 in his timezone now and he hasn't arranged dinner yet, so I'm betting it's past midnight [22:36:38] vvv, I'd like to know too [22:36:51] RoanKattouw, on a semi regular basis i'll only have 2 meals a day [22:37:06] breakfast in the morning then lunch [22:37:08] Put your desk next to the front door, and buy a door that opens to the outside. [22:37:19] i could get them to pass the pizza through my bedroom window [22:37:25] just need to move my wheely chair then [22:37:27] Yeah it's adjacent to the street [22:37:47] Put a latter outside "Pizza up there" [22:37:56] ladder* [22:38:02] Other than that, fall out of my door, into my car and go find mcdonalds/similar [22:38:22] You have 24/7 McDonalds? [22:38:30] A lot of them are [22:39:18] Monday05:00 - 05:00Tuesday05:00 - 05:00 [22:39:23] You get the picture ;) [22:39:37] No "technical breaks"? [22:39:54] nope, there is one open 5am to 5am every day [22:40:42] vvv, http://classic.multimap.com/share/mcd/searchpage.htm?client_id=345 [22:40:49] So, why "5-5" [22:40:53] God knows [22:40:55] Apparently it's in the water [22:41:08] The location is also slightly wrong [22:41:11] Same as 1am to 1am or whaever XY to XY [22:41:43] "Old McDonals found an arm, hiya hiya ho" [22:42:13] The closest McDonalds (which is the largest in Russia and one of the largest in Europe) closes at 23:30 [22:42:25] Krinkle, EE-I-EE-I-O [22:42:37] Yeha, dutch fonetics [22:42:40] heh [22:43:05] I've still got stollen [22:43:10] Does that count as a meal? [22:44:35] RoanKattouw: I hate when I go to Apple's Spotlight (built-in the OS to look for files) and type "rooster" the first entry is "Dictionary: A male domestic fowl", and second one is "rooster schema.rtf" [22:44:47] Krinkle, your first problem is your using a Mac. [22:44:56] Pfft [22:45:10] rooster is dutch for "schedule/agenda". But it's also an animal. [22:45:16] The english dictionary ranks higher than my filenames [22:45:18] xD [22:46:14] IT's not specific to Apple, but I was just using that as an example. [22:46:36] Roan and I share a similar Apple view ;) [22:47:08] Hardware's good, anything that interacts with the user was clearly written for humans, not for me [22:47:15] s/written/designed [22:47:19] That would be the total percentage of non-Apple users hired by the foundation ? ;-) [22:47:33] Nah [22:47:47] Like the keyboard that's missing all sorts of keys so it can introduce proprietary ones, or the magic mouse that makes my finger joints hurt after an hour [22:47:48] Guillom doesn't either, or erik [22:47:55] Alolita [22:47:59] Robla too [22:48:02] Arthur [22:48:03] nuff nuff ! [22:48:06] Aaron [22:48:21] I think we may even still have Windows users around [22:48:25] Or did at some point [22:48:28] I am, sometimes [22:48:30] But a lot do use mac stuff... [22:48:31] Sara uses Ubuntu, I think [22:48:58] I use linux as well, but linux isn't hardware. [22:49:07] s/as well/also [22:49:30] ie. both. Although mostly for browser testing, not actual day-to-day workflow. [22:50:04] I guess that would be an apple user ^ ? [22:50:44] ? [22:50:50] (i Alex) [22:51:03] dunno. ialex do you use a mac? [22:51:06] He does [22:51:18] But he's not an employee :P [22:51:22] Mac OS X 10.6.6 Serial code 12.0.3213.522 [22:51:37] Social security: 1-555-... [22:51:41] :P [22:52:02] Reedy: Touch??, anyway. How about we take a real foodbreak ? [22:52:11] Are you cooking for me? :D [22:52:23] RoanKattouw knows how bad I am with regards to food [22:52:45] not today, but I like to cook actually so I might do that once somehow somewhere. [22:53:09] Reedy: Yes, although back then I didn't let it get this far. It's 11pm now... [22:53:24] We've been later than this for food in SF [22:54:52] I haven't, I don't think [22:55:30] Not by much, probably, I think it was 10 or 10:30 one night, but still :) [22:55:34] I'm sure we did.. [22:55:43] When we went looking for pizza, and ended up at Mels? [22:55:47] Yeah [22:55:53] I think we left the office at about 9:30 that night [22:56:05] i know we hadn't found food an hour later ;) [22:56:09] Wow, video clips were terrible in the 70s 80s. I thought this was a parody but it's the original. OMG. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQVlVHsFF8#t=0m55s [22:56:10] Hmm [22:56:20] I guess we might've been served food just after 11 at Mel's, yeah [22:56:24] heh [22:56:33] I thought it was earlier for some reason [22:56:42] But then I realized it was 9:15 when Bill gave us the alarm code [22:58:07] Bloody enwiki deletionism [22:58:08] *Reedy grumbles [22:58:38] Same old story though [22:58:54] ie people not being given chance to work on them before speedy deleting stuff [22:59:47] *RoanKattouw wonders what the hell a 'cumulative GPA' is [22:59:51] How can an average be cumulative? [23:00:37] heh [23:00:43] It's redundant [23:00:56] RoanKattouw, I worked out today, I've got nearly 45% of my master degree mark... [23:01:07] Based on weightings for previous years, and marks for januarys exams [23:01:37] Hm, you'd think it'd be 50 [23:01:42] What about thesis stuff? [23:01:47] We don't do a masters thesis [23:02:03] Masters is 60% 4th year, 25% 3rd year, 15% 2nd year, 0% first year [23:02:03] Oh, MEng? [23:02:06] Ya [23:02:18] First year was really pointless [23:02:20] Wait, results from your BSc count towards your MSc ?!? [23:02:34] It's an MEng [23:02:36] *RoanKattouw is at 145/180 now [23:02:37] Right [23:02:40] It's not an MSc [23:02:51] It's an integrated undergraduate masters or something [23:02:51] Still, results from your bachelor phase count, right? [23:02:55] Hmm [23:02:57] Yeah [23:03:08] But I've not got a BSc as it stands, as i've not graduated [23:03:09] I should be at 150, need to prod a teacher [23:03:13] Oh, hmm [23:03:42] it's just all formalities, fundings and other political and academic bullshit [23:03:44] NL has passed legislation introducing a 'hard cutoff' between bachelors and masters as of next academic year [23:04:14] Previously unis would allow people to take masters courses if they'd passed like 2/3 or 3/4 of their bachelor's [23:04:39] For a MSc it would've been 3 semesters, depending on what you do, with last being dissertation or the "commercial development practise" like I'm doing now. Or something [23:04:42] I believe they're now changing that to require bachelor's graduation before you can take any master's courses at all [23:04:49] That makes sense [23:05:05] It does, but in extreme circumstances it can cost someone a full year [23:05:08] For our masters, you must've got a certain % on the bachelors before you can do it anyway, so it's not a given [23:05:24] Like, I pass all my courses but one, and the final course is only taught in Q3 [23:05:39] Like I say, our first year was just catchup/bullshit, getting people upto a minimum level [23:05:54] In that case you'd have to take the exam after Q3 and apply for conditional admission to the master's starting Q4, which is a PITA [23:06:02] Right [23:06:07] Our first year was 1/3 math, which I liked [23:06:15] And 1/3 programming stuff I already knew :) [23:06:26] Heh, I didn't have to do maths, as I'd done it at A-level as maths and physics [23:06:33] so did an even more bullshit module [23:06:44] I really dispise the UK education system sometimes [23:07:18] Right, food! :P [23:08:02] *Krinkle enjoys a hand-crafted toast with cheese and salami [23:08:03] Back to the original question: do you know what 'cumulative GPA' means? :) [23:08:16] At midnight? [23:16:45] Heh [23:16:58] Unless it's cumulative over the years averages [23:17:11] That wouldn't make sense [23:17:20] Cause they're talking about a minimum cumulative GPA of 3.0 [23:17:33] RoanKattouw, you know, there's this thing, called wikipedia [23:17:34] A Cumulative Grade Point Average is a calculation of the average of all of a student's grades for all semesters and courses completed up to a given academic term,[1][2][3] whereas the GPA may only refer to one term. [23:17:35] I think they really just want a GPA of 3.0 [23:17:42] Oh, OK [23:17:47] So it's the average of everything [23:17:49] That makes sense [23:17:58] Which is sorta what I was meaning [23:18:05] by cumulative over the years [23:19:29] Oh ffs. RoanKattouw there's 101 API bugs/FR's open now [23:19:35] I had this nearly 30 in August :( [23:19:53] FR ? [23:20:00] ah, featurerequests [23:20:01] feature requests [23:20:02] heh [23:20:03] Feature reqs [23:20:05] Yeah [23:20:21] I killed 2 simple ones earlier [23:21:12] I wanna get more familiar with the code base of the API. Too many times did I miss simple things, I simply haven't read up on it. I think I'll understand fine just need to sit down and see how it work (eg. to write a module). I'll see if I can fix some bugs as well while I go :) [23:21:39] There's a lot of very simple feature requests there atm, just lack of time to deal with them [23:22:25] using a browsers find on the help pages usually allows me to answer most query questions people have [23:22:35] Yeah I'll see, although not all simple FRs are meant to be executed. [23:22:38] I imagine [23:22:49] heh [23:23:04] I would like to query use cases for a lot of them, but i don't think it's worth the effort [23:23:05] yeah, I'm using the automatic documentation more and more now. [23:24:03] A days poking, I'd imagine would clear a good chunk of the backlog [23:24:28] I just know if I start these things, I'm gonna end up getting dragged in, then it'll be 3am, and I wanted to be in bed hours ago ;D [23:24:52] Not that that happens often [23:25:03] No, almost never ;-) [23:26:29] Doctors tomorrow morning.. Means getting up early, as probably an hours drive, with traffic to get out of Hull. Joyyy [23:26:49] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=VERIFIED&component=API&product=MediaWiki [23:26:55] 102 [23:27:01] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=API&sharer_id=3755 [23:27:13] one is verified fixed [23:27:30] changing to resolved [23:27:54] YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY A COMMENT [23:27:55] 101 now ;) [23:27:58] lol [23:30:23] One benefit of living at home, is meals prepared at a sane time without any thought being put into it [23:31:01] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25203 [23:31:07] Can we palm that off as a parser bug? [23:31:22] Eh, that bug is related to the sanity of preparing meals or what ? [23:31:39] Haha, i have trains of unconnected thought [23:33:02] One benefit of living at home, is meals prepared at a sane time without any thought being put into it [23:33:04] Amen to that [23:33:11] :D [23:33:32] Although I'm not nearly as prone to starvation by self-neglect as you are [23:33:45] It's not self neglect [23:34:00] Laxness? [23:34:03] I don't get that bothered by hunger [23:35:14] Like I said earlier, if I didn't have to eat.. [23:36:27] wb TimStarling [23:36:44] hello [23:37:20] Ohhey Tim [23:37:33] Could you review https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/82473 soonish?