[00:00:05] <TimStarling>	SIP/2.0 403 Forbidden (Bad auth)
[00:01:45] <jorm>	Someone tell alolita i'm trying to reach her via IRC
[00:02:03] <werdna>	will do
[00:03:13] <werdna>	jorm: she's in a meeting, wassup?
[00:03:27] <jorm>	just need to tell her i'm gonna be late tomorrow.
[00:03:43] <werdna>	ah ok
[00:03:58] <werdna>	I'll let you drop her an email yourself, then, probably
[00:04:10] <TimStarling>	now fail2ban banned me
[00:05:06] <werdna>	skypeout?
[00:06:56] <TimStarling>	ot
[00:07:09] <TimStarling>	it's a bit late for skypeout now if the meeting did actually start at 4pm
[00:07:31] <werdna>	well, I can ask them if you should still join, if you like
[00:07:38] <werdna>	or at least tell them you were having trouble
[00:07:57] <TimStarling>	so there is actually a meeting?
[00:08:12] <werdna>	there's a room with Robla, Alolita, Roan, Priyanka, so I suspect so
[00:08:31] <werdna>	also, TrevorParscal, maybe
[00:09:12] *TrevorParscal 	is trapped in room with people and phone
[00:09:25] <TrevorParscal>	if I don't emerge in 20 minutes, send help
[00:09:36] <werdna>	TrevorParscal: are you in that meeting?
[00:09:43] <TrevorParscal>	yes
[00:09:50] <TrevorParscal>	release status updates
[00:09:58] <TimStarling>	someone just say that I'm working on the installer, in particular that "mix of collations" issue and some related things in nearby code
[00:10:10] <jorm>	i dropped my iphone on the concrete and it landed butter-side down.
[00:10:22] <TrevorParscal>	TimStarling: done
[00:10:23] <TimStarling>	and also the security vulnerability which Roan and I have been working on that will cause a release in the next couple of days
[00:10:34] <TimStarling>	thanks
[00:10:38] <TrevorParscal>	n/p
[00:10:45] <jorm>	TimStarling: this the issues with the installer having 10 different constructors?  chad was working on that this morning.
[00:11:05] <TimStarling>	constructors?
[00:11:39] <TimStarling>	I'm not aware of any problem to do with constructors
[00:11:44] <^demon>	I was trying to reduce code duplication in the various DatabaseBase subclass constructors.
[00:12:09] <^demon>	I ended up making the installer break for a bit when it was trying to open() a bunch of connections it couldn't.
[00:12:13] <^demon>	Should be fixed in trunk.
[00:12:22] <TimStarling>	are you making it so that they take an associative array as a parameter instead of the crazy list of formal parameters that we have now?
[00:12:26] <^demon>	Yes
[00:12:32] <TimStarling>	excellent
[00:12:42] <^demon>	Well, the factory I built around the constructor does that.
[00:12:47] <^demon>	The constructor's still nasty
[00:13:42] <TimStarling>	I just noticed this, while testing my  current patch:
[00:13:48] <TimStarling>	Checking site_stats row...data is missing! rebuilding...
[00:14:04] <TimStarling>	I'll fix it
[00:14:52] <TimStarling>	it must have been forgotten somehow
[00:15:12] <TimStarling>	I think it was just a $db->query() call in the old installer
[00:17:20] <Krinkle>	Roan-meeting: Still meeting ?
[00:21:07] <RoanKattouw>	Back now
[00:21:43] <TimStarling>	is it ok for it to be in Installer instead of DatabaseInstaller? there's no way it will be customised per-DBMS
[00:22:12] <RoanKattouw>	Krinkle: Back now
[00:23:04] <Krinkle>	RoanKattouw: Since the url would get even more ugly for whatLeaveshere. there needs to be a back-pager as well
[00:23:05] <Krinkle>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26909
[00:23:20] <Krinkle>	s/Since/Looks like
[00:23:38] <RoanKattouw>	&dir=prev ?
[00:24:05] <Krinkle>	Api supports that for query/props ?
[00:24:41] <RoanKattouw>	Yes
[00:24:43] <RoanKattouw>	OK, more meetings
[00:24:49] <Krinkle>	k
[00:24:51] <RoanKattouw>	I'm popular today
[00:37:13] <Krinkle>	Roan-meeting: for later: I tried dir=prev dir=older dir=newer and with 'pl' prefix as well. But it doesn't work (not documented anywhere either) - I'm talking about the API not existing SpecialPages.
[00:38:03] <^demon>	TimStarling: Yes, that's fine. getInstallSteps() should give examples of both
[00:55:43] <TimStarling>	did someone add database connection object caching, despite the fact that I said I was doing it?
[00:56:18] <^demon>	I did, because I was playing with related code.
[00:57:13] <TimStarling>	yeah, thanks for that
[00:57:36] <TimStarling>	I'm going to do it my way, it's better
[00:57:48] <^demon>	Ok.
[00:58:02] <TimStarling>	I moved the caching code to DatabaseInstaller and renamed all the DBMS-specific functions to openConnection
[00:58:07] <TimStarling>	which are uncached
[00:58:35] <^demon>	Makes sense.
[17:33:40] <pdhanda>	werdna: http://www.biscuitsandblues.com/headliners.html#0127
[17:35:44] <werdna>	pdhanda: \o/
[17:36:16] <werdna>	I'm not necessarily a massive blues fan, but it sounds like fun :)
[17:36:43] <werdna>	and by "not a massive blues fan" I mean "I've not heard any before"
[17:36:51] <pdhanda>	ah
[17:38:15] <pdhanda>	good way to find out. This band is supposed to be more showy, so even if you don't like it, it will be entertaining i think
[17:38:39] <Krinkle>	Hm.. 12 clicks before I see "Mp3 listen now"
[17:38:59] *Krinkle 	likes all kinds of music, blues being one of them
[17:39:20] <Krinkle>	pdhanda: Did you know Sean Costtello ?
[17:39:29] <Krinkle>	Costello*
[17:40:28] <Krinkle>	RoanKattouw: Remember during the hackathon Jan Paul had this issue on his site that parser functions didn't work eventough it was included in LocalSettings ?
[17:40:42] <RoanKattouw>	Yeah
[17:40:45] <Krinkle>	I'm having the same now. fresh REL1_17 phase3 and extensions. Not workign, shows up fine on Special:Version
[17:40:52] <RoanKattouw>	Weird
[17:40:58] <RoanKattouw>	Let me check my 1.17 install
[17:41:03] <Krinkle>	http://trunk.finanpedia.nl/w/index.php/Overleg_gebruiker:FinTrunk?action=purge
[17:41:12] <Krinkle>	(that's not trunk but REL1_17, old subdomain)
[17:42:29] <pdhanda>	Krinkle: never heard him... listening now :)
[17:43:02] <Krinkle>	I passed away sadly on his 30th (or 29th?) birthday. But I had the chance of meeting him a few times due to connections with a blue club in Holland (as photographer)_
[17:43:07] <Krinkle>	He* not I
[17:45:02] *werdna 	waveth at Krinkle and other non-office peoples
[17:45:21] *Krinkle 	waves
[17:47:01] <RoanKattouw>	Krinkle: WFM on localhost with REL1_17
[17:47:44] <RoanKattouw>	Admittedly I have local changes, but those should be unrelated and are about to be committed
[17:47:46] <Krinkle>	checkout of REL1_17, checkout of extensions/ParserFunctions, ran the new installer, created a new page with {{#if: 1 | yes | no }}
[17:47:57] <Krinkle>	PF of REL_17
[17:48:25] <Krinkle>	Weird
[17:48:47] <RoanKattouw>	Let me commit my merges
[17:53:57] <Krinkle>	Tried locally as well (instead of on my server), same thing. listed on special:version, but not working
[17:54:41] <Krinkle>	Enabled all debug but nothing notable afaic. other extensions (Vector/Interwiki/WikiEditor) work fine.
[17:54:43] <Krinkle>	brb
[18:50:51] <guillom>	ok, dunno if there's a features meeting today, but I'm late for dinner and starving, so I'm going to try & eat something. I should be around later, but in any case my weekly reports are on the office wiki. And by next week I should have an extension, if all goes well.
[18:51:00] <RoanKattouw>	Alright
[18:51:10] <RoanKattouw>	I'll pass it on if Alolita doesn't read this
[18:51:19] <guillom>	thanks
[19:57:58] <hexmode>	92 bugs created since friday :(
[19:58:12] <hexmode>	ya'll gettin a little happy on bugzilla
[19:58:32] <guillom>	How many of them have been cleaned up by the community in the meantime? :)
[19:58:48] <hexmode>	5?
[19:59:01] <hexmode>	rest are still NEW
[19:59:48] <guillom>	Well, on the other hand, I'd say volunteer developers probably work the most on week-ends.
[20:00:00] <hexmode>	GARBAGE: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/rc-en/index.php/Main_Page
[20:00:17] <guillom>	eww
[20:00:29] <hexmode>	I hope you're right guillom... have to check the stats
[20:00:49] <hexmode>	pdhanda1: http://prototype.wikimedia.org/rc-en/index.php/Main_Page
[20:13:43] <^demon>	Bug already open for it
[20:14:08] <^demon>	<hexmode> 92 bugs created since friday :(
[20:14:48] <^demon>	Rate of incoming bugs is higher than it was a few years ago ;-)
[20:17:13] <guillom>	Well, more reported bugs is good, no?
[20:19:07] <Bryan>	it can really mean two things :p
[20:19:19] <^demon>	Better reported and known than unreported and lurking :)
[20:20:47] <^demon>	I would like to raise the bar on enhancement requests though
[20:20:55] <^demon>	"Find someone other than you who would like this feature before posting it"
[20:24:42] <hexmode>	^demon++
[20:25:11] <^demon>	I blame the (ab)use of id's and classes on nearly every element on that
[20:25:22] <^demon>	One person says "Oh, it'd be useful if <body> had...."
[20:25:28] <^demon>	And some dev goes "Oh that's easy!"
[20:25:29] <^demon>	BAM!
[20:25:35] <^demon>	Now we've got like 80 classes on <body>
[20:26:21] <hexmode>	Not quite 80, but close: mediawiki ltr ns--1 ns-special page-Special_Contributions_Zo4EOxS0 skin-vector
[20:26:36] <hexmode>	Anyone have admin on prototype?
[20:29:24] <^demon>	admin to the wikis, or shell access?
[20:29:42] <hexmode>	wiki
[20:30:04] <hexmode>	and why does prototype only show garbage when you're not logged in?
[20:30:22] *^demon 	bets stuck filecache
[20:32:39] <hexmode>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26923 # ^demon: this is a nice idea, but is there anyone who should handle it?
[20:32:48] *hexmode 	looks at commit logs for a clue
[20:33:43] *guillom 	--> bed.
[20:34:33] <^demon>	Yep, stuck file cache
[20:34:41] <^demon>	Disabled it temporarily and it's fine
[20:34:46] <^demon>	http://prototype.wikimedia.org/rc-en/index.php/Main_Page
[20:36:08] <hexmode>	^demon: could you update Bug#26923
[20:36:10] <hexmode>	?
[20:36:21] <brion>	oh wow, we still have the file cache?
[20:36:27] <brion>	that's effing old school
[20:36:35] <brion>	i think i was still in classes when iw rote that
[20:36:46] <brion>	silly college
[20:37:38] <^demon>	haha
[20:37:46] <^demon>	How about we remove it while I'm still in college :p
[20:38:00] <^demon>	hexmode: Updating.
[20:38:48] <hexmode>	Anyone seen Trevor?
[20:46:15] <tomaszf>	hexmode: he's at lunch
[20:46:22] <tomaszf>	likely back in about 20
[20:46:27] <hexmode>	kk
[20:49:42] <^demon>	hexmode: Don't assign all installer bugs to me, I'm already cc'd by default and get the bugspam (and Tim actually wrote that bit of code :p)
[20:49:48] <^demon>	NEW/ASSIGNED makes zero difference to me
[20:50:27] <Krinkle>	Hm.. anyone ideas to make a cross-wiki WMF search engine that searches through any page ending in .js ? I'm thinking a combination with opensearch and api.
[20:50:40] <hexmode>	I'll try to keep that in mind.  And, yes, ASSIGNED only makes a difference to me right now.
[20:50:42] <Krinkle>	ie. to look where deprecated stuff is used.
[20:51:21] <Krinkle>	just a couple of periodic one-time searches (not an actual gui, performance doesn't have to be great)
[20:51:39] <^demon>	hexmode: I'm probably cc'd on better than half of the bugs in the installer component ;-)
[20:51:52] <hexmode>	^demon: but take a look at #26938 and let me know what you think
[20:52:11] <Krinkle>	:D
[20:52:43] <hexmode>	Also, I am not trying to clutter your inbox with bug-spam :)
[20:52:52] <^demon>	Well they already skip the inbox :p
[20:53:01] <^demon>	I'm cc'd on 298 open bugs :D
[20:53:04] <Krinkle>	Spamming the inbox with bug clutter is better.
[20:53:18] <^demon>	And heaven knows how many fixed/invalid/wontfix/wfm :p
[20:53:27] <^demon>	Oh, that's MW only.
[20:53:28] <^demon>	hm
[20:53:57] <^demon>	I'm cc'd on 1817 bugs total haha
[20:54:17] <hexmode>	I'm open to suggestions for how to keep bugzilla working for you :)
[20:56:08] <^demon>	By banning jidanni?
[20:56:12] <^demon>	</joke>
[20:56:27] <hexmode>	I'll get right on that.
[20:56:40] <^demon>	Oh I could've done it ages ago
[20:57:25] <^demon>	He means well. He just needs to stop complaining that MediaWiki doesn't work perfectly in a text browser all the time :p
[20:57:55] *Krinkle 	is subscribed to any and all bugs :P
[20:57:59] <Krinkle>	wikibugs-l
[20:58:03] <hexmode>	!!! I am SHOCKED that a web app doesn't work in a text browser in 2011
[20:58:03] --elephant--	I don't know anything about "!!".
[20:58:37] <^demon>	Krinkle: I don't do that, because I don't care about > 90% of the extension bugs that come in :p
[20:59:15] <Krinkle>	I have them in a seperate filter in gmail. I browse through them quickly every few hours. I star a few for later.
[20:59:44] <Krinkle>	In the actual routine I go to the starred mails in the wikibugs-l  and bugzilla/My_bugs
[21:00:05] <^demon>	I'd like to drop REMIND after we do the Bugzilla upgrade.
[21:00:33] <^demon>	In our workflow, REMIND and LATER are basically the same, and we use the latter more consistently. Bugs put in REMIND end up being forgotten :(
[21:01:18] <Krinkle>	^demon: Was 'confirmed' also removed or was it never there ?
[21:01:42] <^demon>	Well we have confirmation disabled right now because BZ 3.x ties it into the silly voting system.
[21:02:01] <^demon>	In BZ4, voting has been moved to an extension, so I'd *like* to have the default bug state be UNCONFIRMED.
[21:07:16] <hexmode>	I hate to ask, but should Bug#26915 be a blocker?  That is, is this changed from old behavior?
[21:07:51] <hexmode>	oops, Bug#26939
[21:08:45] <RoanKattouw>	!bug 26939
[21:08:45] --elephant--	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26939
[21:09:23] <^demon>	Yes, it's a blocker.
[21:09:32] <hexmode>	:(
[21:09:39] <^demon>	It's a 5 minute fix when I get to it.
[21:10:21] *hexmode 	grants ^demon 5 minutes of free time to be allocated as hexmode sees fit
[21:18:47] <Krinkle>	Can someone with access execute this bug:  Add 'rue' to the global wmf interwiki map (rue.wikipedia ruewiki_p) - https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/26944
[21:19:04] <Krinkle>	It was forgotten (or is not part of the default script) when the wiki was created
[21:19:14] <Krinkle>	this is the first wiki in the rue-language.
[21:21:54] <^demon>	(And it's not part of addwiki, maybe it should be)
[23:18:13] <Krinkle>	janpaul123: I had the same issue today with parser functions
[23:18:16] <Krinkle>	How did you solve it ?
[23:18:22] <janpaul123>	I didn't!
[23:18:29] <janpaul123>	I'm not quite sure what it was after all.
[23:18:40] <Krinkle>	(got a fresh check out of REL1_17/phase3 and REL1_17/extensions/ParserFunctions
[23:18:53] <janpaul123>	Yeah, I updated everything too.
[23:18:59] <janpaul123>	But I only had the problem with a specific installation
[23:19:02] <Krinkle>	followed the default installer, which does the require_once() for you during the installer.
[23:19:08] <Krinkle>	verified as well. Still happening
[23:19:10] <janpaul123>	So I just got rid of the installation and used another one :P
[23:19:19] <janpaul123>	Hm, weird.
[23:19:20] <Krinkle>	RoanKattouw: Did you get around checking this on a fresh one, after merging those commits ?
[23:19:56] <Krinkle>	The weirdest of all that it *is* listed on Special:Version
[23:20:04] <Krinkle>	trunk / 1.18 seems to be fine
[23:20:14] <Krinkle>	(although I haven't tried but I see TranslateWiki running fine)
[23:22:08] <janpaul123>	I have another weird problem though..
[23:22:31] <janpaul123>	But Roan wasn't able to reproduce it, so I'm guessing it might be OS (or something else) specific.
[23:22:56] <janpaul123>	If you check out my wiki: http://janpaulposma.nl/sle/wiki/index.php/Main_Page then some of the images on top don't work..
[23:23:38] <Krinkle>	janpaul123: Where's the full editor :O ?
[23:23:48] <janpaul123>	Just click the leftmost bar :)
[23:24:00] <janpaul123>	Simple, straightforward
[23:24:01] <janpaul123>	Seemed like the most sensible solution
[23:24:10] <Krinkle>	Hm.. okay, but it feels weird, like it could not be the 'full' thing.
[23:24:20] <janpaul123>	Do mind that eventually, you want the wiki toolbar over there
[23:24:32] <Krinkle>	yeah, that would help creating the illustion
[23:24:36] <Krinkle>	illusion :)
[23:24:55] <Krinkle>	Ahm. so which images ?
[23:24:59] <janpaul123>	And perhaps a foldable thing of other stuff that's on the full editor page right now
[23:25:05] <janpaul123>	Background images at the top of the page
[23:25:09] <janpaul123>	Like tabs and stuff like that
[23:25:17] <janpaul123>	But it seems that only I have that problem.. :P
[23:25:23] <Krinkle>	and only on your computer ?
[23:26:08] <Krinkle>	http://i.imgur.com/aag8f.png
[23:26:47] <janpaul123>	Hm, yeah, that seems to be fine :P
[23:27:07] <janpaul123>	Oh, well. There's no point in fixing it if no-one else has the problem! :D
[23:32:11] <Krinkle>	janpaul123: There are a few errors though
[23:32:22] <Krinkle>	check firebug/web inspector
[23:32:27] <Krinkle>	some 404 errors about js files
[23:33:59] <janpaul123>	Yeah, I noticed, but they are mostly about "data:image" kind of pictures
[23:34:25] <janpaul123>	Which is basically an image embedded directly into CSS (so it shouldn't even look for it)...