[10:15:53] <Krinkle>	sDrewth: To answer your question:
[10:15:56] <sDrewth>	for WMF domains, is there a reason why a Template: ns would be not have subpage on one domain, though others do have subpages?
[10:16:37] <sDrewth>	soooo many channels to remember
[10:16:43] <Krinkle>	wgNamespacesWithSubpages is set to the following globally: NS_TALK, NS_USER, NS_USER_TALK, NS_PROJECT_TALK, NS_IMAGE_TALK, NS_MEDIAWIKI_TALK, NS_TEMPLATE, NS_TEMPLATE_TALK, NS_HELP, NS_HELP_TALK, NS_CATEGORY_TALK
[10:16:48] <Krinkle>	that includes NS_TEMPLATE
[10:17:06] <Krinkle>	any other extra added or removed is done by the local wiki I think. Let me check
[10:17:19] <Krinkle>	sDrewth: Which wiki for example does not have Template:/ subpages ?
[10:17:25] <sDrewth>	enWS
[10:17:50] <sDrewth>	we are just going to check the others before we log bugzilla
[10:18:00] <Krinkle>	apergos: [Krinkle] wgNamespacesWithSubpages is set to the following globally: NS_TALK, NS_USER, NS_USER_TALK, NS_PROJECT_TALK, NS_IMAGE_TALK, NS_MEDIAWIKI_TALK, NS_TEMPLATE, NS_TEMPLATE_TALK, NS_HELP, NS_HELP_TALK, NS_CATEGORY_TALK
[10:18:20] <apergos>	should see if there was an exception made for en ws
[10:18:28] <apergos>	maybe they didn't want em
[10:18:29] <sDrewth>	but I wanted to ask the background question, as I wasn't aware if there may have been a particular reason, missed, etc
[10:18:39] <sDrewth>	the history is hard to know
[10:18:52] <apergos>	it would show up in the config
[10:20:14] <Krinkle>	    'enwikisource'        => array(-1=>0, 0=>1, 1=>1, 2=>1, 3=>1, 4=>1, 5=>1, 6=>0, 7=>1, 8=>0, 9=>1, 10=>0, 11=>1, 100=>1, 101=>1, 102=>1, 103=>1),
[10:20:16] <sDrewth>	I can see the config?
[10:20:25] <apergos>	noc should have it
[10:20:30] <Krinkle>	http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php
[10:20:37] <Krinkle>	search for "wgNamespacesWithSubpages"
[10:20:44] <sDrewth>	<- looked at the API, when I worked out where to look
[10:21:37] <apergos>	10=>0
[10:21:38] <Krinkle>	enws sets 11 (template) to 1 (true)
[10:21:42] <Krinkle>	oh, right
[10:21:47] <Krinkle>	10
[10:22:07] <apergos>	now someone can go look at discussion pages over there or at bugzilla requessts (they will have made one)
[10:22:22] <apergos>	and see what happened and why.
[10:23:00] <sDrewth>	http://en.wikisource.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=general|namespaces|namespacealiases|statistics   is where I looked
[10:24:52] <sDrewth>	urk, a date would help for bugzilla
[10:26:33] <Krinkle>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?field0-0-5=content&type0-0-4=substring&field1-0-4=status_whiteboard&type1-0-0=substring&value0-0-5=%22subpage%22&type0-0-5=matches&field1-0-3=short_desc&short_desc=subpage&field0-0-0=product&field1-0-2=alias&type0-0-1=substring&field0-0-1=component&value1-0-3=wikisource&type1-0-1=substring&value1-0-1=wikisource&field0-0-4=status_whiteboard&resolution=FIXED&type1-0-2=substring&value0-0-2=subpage&value1-0-
[10:26:33] <Krinkle>	ikisource%22&type1-0-3=substring&value1-0-2=wikisource&type0-0-3=substring&query_format=advanced&value0-0-3=subpage&field0-0-3=short_desc&type1-0-5=matches&type1-0-4=substring&value1-0-0=wikisource&bug_status=RESOLVED&value0-0-4=subpage&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&field0-0-2=alias&value0-0-1=subpage&field1-0-5=content&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=subpage&component=Site%20requests&field1-0-0=product&type0-0-2=substring&product=Wikimedia&value
[10:26:33] <Krinkle>	ikisource&field1-0-1=component
[10:26:50] <Krinkle>	that is: Wikimedia / Site requests / status; RESOLVED: FIXED / containing 'subpage'
[10:26:55] <Krinkle>	not much
[10:27:11] <Krinkle>	neither is "it"
[10:27:14] <Krinkle>	none of them are
[10:30:03] <sDrewth>	I suspect that it would have occurred at the split of the Wikisource from one to many
[10:31:09] <Krinkle>	all subpage requests:
[10:31:09] <Krinkle>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?field0-0-5=content&type0-0-4=substring&field1-0-4=status_whiteboard&type1-0-0=substring&type0-0-5=matches&field1-0-3=short_desc&short_desc=subpage&field0-0-0=product&field1-0-2=alias&type0-0-1=substring&field0-0-1=component&type1-0-1=substring&field0-0-4=status_whiteboard&resolution=FIXED&type1-0-2=substring&type1-0-3=substring&type0-0-3=substring&query_format=advanced&field0-0-3=short_desc&type1-0-5=mat
[10:31:09] <Krinkle>	ype1-0-4=substring&bug_status=RESOLVED&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&field0-0-2=alias&field1-0-5=content&type0-0-0=substring&field1-0-0=product&product=Wikimedia&type0-0-2=substring&field1-0-1=component
[10:31:18] <Krinkle>	(in case "wikisource" was not mentioned (eg. en.ws )
[10:33:04] <sDrewth>	can we search in the months prior to Sep 2005?
[10:34:14] <Krinkle>	sDrewth: It's only a short list. I dont think it's in bugzilla
[10:35:44] <apergos>	doesn't look like it
[10:35:46] <sDrewth>	so there is no evident documentation available to indicate why it may or may not have happened
[10:35:57] <apergos>	unless it's on the project
[10:36:01] <sDrewth>	okay, so it is back to the community for that discussion. thx
[10:36:14] <apergos>	yup
[10:36:16] <apergos>	good luck
[10:38:15] <sDrewth>	thx
[11:47:48] <sDrewth>	Another question about the namespaces, at the configuration page that you pointed out to me, it says enWS has up to namespace 103, yet according to the API, we have extras, which would Page:/Index: which are part of Extension:Proofread.  Does that mean that they are different, or they just didn't end up in the array?
[11:48:16] <sDrewth>	up to ns:107
[14:56:38] <Krinkle>	GerardM: RE: your mail on wikitech-l, I left a reply yesterday or the day before that containing the following link: http://ipv6and4.labs.wikimedia.org/
[14:56:58] <Krinkle>	There's a few stats there. Ask Mark Bergsma for more (I think he was the one to set; that up)
[14:57:13] <Krinkle>	It's also running on nl.wiki not sure how to get those numbers for nl.wiki though
[14:58:09] <GerardM>	wat ik zoek is een graph die toont hoe zich dit ontwikkelt
[14:58:31] <GerardM>	 er is ook zo iets voor verkeer via de mobile
[14:59:23] <Krinkle>	Ik weet niet of the nummers worden opgeslagen of dat het een incremental is, maar vraag het mark zou ik zeggen
[14:59:55] <Krinkle>	Zo niet kan het misschien vanaf heden worden bijgehouden
[16:57:44] <jorm>	So I think I'm going to make chili, too.
[17:09:34] <Krinkle>	jorm: bon app??tit!
[17:55:48] <thedj>	Krinkle: from what i have seen of it, ipv6 brokeness has actually been increasing the past few months
[17:56:29] <thedj>	archived numbers are stored: http://ipv6and4.labs.wikimedia.org/archive/2010-06-02.html
[17:58:55] <Krinkle>	thedj: mark added a javascript to nl.wikipedia's Common.js a while ago. Do you know where it's numbers are ?
[17:59:18] <Krinkle>	it seems "ipv6." subdomain does not work (anymore)
[17:59:26] <Krinkle>	ipv6.labs. * thatis
[17:59:50] <thedj>	works for me
[17:59:50] <thedj>	deneb:phase3 hartman$ ping6 ipv6.labs.wikimedia.org
[17:59:50] <thedj>	PING6(56=40+8+8 bytes) 2001:610:600:4a5::2 --> 2620::862:1:6666:6666:6666:6666
[17:59:53] <thedj>	16 bytes from 2620::862:1:6666:6666:6666:6666, icmp_seq=0 hlim=58 time=16.947 ms
[18:10:28] <Krinkle>	http://ipv6.labs.wikimedia.org/
[18:10:37] <Krinkle>	thedj: I meant htp (which is how javasript uses the imgs)
[18:10:40] <Krinkle>	http*
[18:12:44] <thedj>	Krinkle: works as well for me.
[18:13:20] <Krinkle>	Unknown host here
[18:13:26] <Krinkle>	(Browser reports the error)
[18:13:37] <Krinkle>	$ ping ipv6.labs.wikimedia.org
[18:13:37] <Krinkle>	ping: cannot resolve ipv6.labs.wikimedia.org: Unknown host
[18:13:47] <thedj>	ping6, not ping
[18:15:26] <Krinkle>	thedj: either way
[18:15:27] <Krinkle>	$ ping6 ipv6.labs.wikimedia.org
[18:15:27] <Krinkle>	ping6: nodename nor servname provided, or not known
[18:15:43] <Krinkle>	"$ ping ipv6.labs.wikimedia.org" (not ping6) does work from the toolserver
[18:15:44] <thedj>	well then your ipv6 setup must be in the broken category :D
[18:15:55] <Krinkle>	my browsers dont do it either
[18:16:01] <Krinkle>	I guess my ISP is to blame ?
[18:16:13] <thedj>	or OS.
[18:16:40] <thedj>	both Mac and Windows have had and still have some serious ipv6 implementation issues
[18:18:18] <thedj>	Krinkle: but very often there are routing issues at the isp.
[18:18:41] <thedj>	and the ISP simply never realizes, because no one is using ipv6 in the first place.
[18:18:42] <Krinkle>	I'm at *cough* Ziggo (ISP)
[18:19:20] <thedj>	i'm using sixxs.net tunnel
[18:22:38] <Shirley>	thedj: What's the status of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Common.js#WikiBugs ?
[18:23:01] <thedj>	Shirley: there was a test version on test.wp.org and that's all i remember
[18:23:21] <Shirley>	It doesn't seem to be using jQuery.
[18:23:36] <thedj>	most likely not, it's way older than that
[18:23:45] <Shirley>	And the per-page exclusion code looks like it won't scale at all.
[18:25:53] <Shirley>	Hmmm.
[18:26:00] <Shirley>	Perhaps a hidden category would be better.
[18:26:21] <Shirley>	Though then it has to hit the API or search the API
[18:26:28] <Shirley>	Err, search the HTML, even.
[18:26:36] <Krinkle>	Hm.. Why is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/&amp; a 403 error ?
[18:26:41] <Krinkle>	(including the ; )
[18:26:47] <Shirley>	Because Domas is evil.
[18:26:54] <Shirley>	It's to prevent broken spiders/bots.
[18:27:12] <Shirley>	index.php?title=&amp;&amp;&amp; etc.
[18:27:17] <Krinkle>	Oh, it's a special exception ?
[18:27:23] <Krinkle>	Ah indeed other entities dont have it
[18:27:27] <Shirley>	Yes, it's a Wikimedia thing.
[18:27:30] <Krinkle>	k