[00:03:24] robla: Is the Calcey relationship documented anywhere? Are there any other similar relationships? [00:37:35] Shirley: re: Calcey. I'm not sure...we've certainly talked about it before. It's one that predates my coming to WMF, so there could be some documentation somewhere I don't know about. [00:39:21] similar relationships: it's a pretty standard contractor relationship. I'm not managing any others like this one, but I'm sure there are others. [00:40:29] robla, Shirley: Calcey was originally brought on for the Usability Initiative [00:40:36] from what I remember [00:40:45] <^demon> Yes. [00:40:46] maybe it predates that, but I'm pretty sure that's the case [00:40:48] yup...that's where I inherited it from :) [02:17:00] I made a note to update the Contractors page at some point. [02:17:08] But they're not really a standard user... I'll figure it out. [02:17:34] Hmm, so presumably it went from grant money to non-grant money if it started as UX. [04:51:34] FUCK YEAH THE MELVINS. [09:19:03] Does anyone know where Alolita is these days? [09:19:13] i.e. which timezone [10:32:08] Shirley, until a few months ago, it wasn't documented that much at the WMF either. The relationship was built by Naoko (whe had worked with them before) and the follow-up was "vague" when she left. It took some time to figure out what our exact relationship with them was. But you're right that I don't think it's been publicly (or privately) documented properly. [10:32:18] Shirley, I don't know of any similar relationship with firms [10:32:27] We'll leave the poor ops folks alone. [10:32:38] Poor apergos is alone with nagios now. [10:32:50] Is that a feature or a bug? [10:32:53] Yeah, I was thinking about updating the contractors page at Meta. [10:33:07] But Calcey isn't a traditional contractor (individual). [10:33:11] Hmm. [10:33:16] I was going to say that. [10:33:25] Actually, I think I half-anticipated this with the ==Individuals== header. [10:33:29] I can just add a section. [10:33:39] Me so smart. [10:33:50] =) [10:35:20] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_contractors#Organizations [10:35:31] Facts and citations are overrated. [10:36:27] Heh. [10:36:46] I'm relying on Cunningham's Law there. [10:36:53] Most of that page does, actually. [10:37:36] robla would probably be able to fill in the blanks about Calcey. [10:38:58] He discussed it a little in here. I'm not sure about that. [10:39:02] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law [10:39:48] ZOMG uncategorized page! [10:39:58] Harder. [10:54:29] *Nemo_bis looking for a cat [11:00:25] [[Maru (cat)]] [11:07:32] A wild RoanKattouw appears. [11:07:58] I thought it was domesticated [11:08:37] It's very domesticated these days [11:08:45] Heh. [11:09:13] It used guillom's bedtime yesterday, which is unusual ;) [11:09:27] haha [11:11:05] seems we have mediawiki 1.16.1 [11:15:38] I'm going through the Wikimedia blogs to write a 2010 retrospective, and I find it weird that there isn't a single post about the Strategic planning process. [18:50:56] flipzagging, is there a way for users to access Special:UploadStash to complete an interrupted upload? How to they access the page with the stash key? [18:51:06] (happy new year and all that, btw) [18:51:16] guillom: :) [18:51:18] let's see. [18:51:22] define interrupted [18:51:33] I guess they didn't go through all the steps [18:51:41] but the thing is completely uploaded [18:51:43] right [18:51:46] that's impossible now [18:52:06] Oh ok [18:52:16] but, I want to change it so that is possible. Making a "Special:UploadStash" where we could obtain the entire state of how things are remotely is the first step. [18:52:25] I told the user to check Special:UploadStash, but it told her she didn't have the key [18:52:34] the problem now is that the state of the uploads are client-side only [18:52:41] ok [18:52:59] it's becoming clear that this isn't really acceptable, so I'm rushing to get fixes in for MW 1.17 [18:53:44] Ok. I'm asking because a user launched an upload before going to bed, and in the morning the session had expired. [18:53:53] So she wanted to know if she could still access the files. [18:54:01] Yes, this really REALLY sucks. [18:54:08] If the session expired, she's screwed [18:54:11] ok [18:54:12] On live Commons, sessions expire rather quickly. [18:54:14] thanks! [18:54:33] more quickly than I thought at first, so an overnight upload isn't a possibility. [18:55:01] Guillaume, how much are you going to be working on this in the future? [18:55:23] I'm trying to get Kaldari to work with me on implementing more of the agenda we set [18:56:03] I remember recommending storing this stuff in the database at the start of the project ;) [18:56:10] yeah [18:56:20] it was a mistake not to do it your way [18:56:37] flipzagging, dunno yet, I just sent an email to Erik and Howie to ask about the product roadmap to see what are the projects the WMF is going to work on this year, so I can get an idea of what I'm going to work on. [18:56:54] Bryan: we're going to probably do it exactly as you suggested. [18:57:15] anyway, meeting [18:57:18] Oh, that's right, we can put Kaldari on general eng things now that the FR is over [18:57:35] oh, meeting [18:57:41] I completely forgot about that [18:57:47] I still don't have a phone [18:57:51] is there an etherpad? [18:57:55] yes. [18:57:56] sec. [18:58:05] jorm_: Extension? [18:58:09] http://eiximenis.wikimedia.org/FeaturesTeam20110104 [18:58:17] default naming convention for the etherpad, I guess, but I'm lazy :) [18:58:32] 2001 [18:59:52] By the way, I guessed from Trevor's email yesterday that he was replacing Alolita, and that jorm was replacing him, but none of these facts were announced by email. Not trying to assign blame at all, just saying things should be documented by email, because IRL/phone meetings are an unreliable means of announcement :) [19:00:18] replacing for the duration of the trips to india, not really replacing. [19:00:34] guillom: I think it was in the Etherpads, but you're right [19:00:35] anyway the practical upshot is just who runs the meetings [19:00:36] yes, that's what I mean [19:01:17] guillom: we're in features meeting right now... you're welcome to drop by (phone) [19:01:19] I'm just saying, as a general rule, and as we get more people working remotely, emails are a more reliable means of communication for "important" stuff (dunno if this falls into the category) [20:56:55] http://elohim.gaijin.com/Hack-A-Ton-Amsterdam.png [20:57:28] I miss the hookers [20:57:59] ? [20:58:38] in jorm's artist impression of Amsterdam [20:58:55] jorm: When you do this for real, fix the date too [20:59:00] 2011-01-14 [20:59:26] hookers make everything better. [20:59:39] I'm not sure about that [23:09:36] http://jalopnik.com/5724684/virginia-dmv-revokes-worlds-greatest-license-plate [23:44:54] What are wikidevs? what do they do that other sysadmins don't? [23:47:24] Devs being developers [23:47:42] Programming, mainly, but many of the devs do development, but it's not their primary task [23:48:17] yes, but I've heard of a specific "user group right" called "wikidev" [23:48:37] is there a specific type of programming that others are restricted from? [23:49:23] Nope [23:49:30] I believe that right is long deprecated [23:54:26] If you dig into DefaultSettings and uncomment something the good old friend AskSQL comes available for the 'developer' user group [23:54:45] I think it still works, but not recommended :P [23:55:25] Oh :P