[18:12:37] hey, Multimedia, I thought our sync-up was at 11am [18:12:40] sorry [18:12:52] alolita, guillom, RoanKattouw? [18:13:18] is/was it? [18:13:25] well I just looked at my schedule. [18:13:29] *guillom opens his calendar. [18:13:43] maybe it got moved around yet again due to the brunchy bagely thing they do here. [18:14:34] well, the last we discussed it over email it was 11am-11:30am. Never mind, probably the schedule is broken. [18:14:54] Oh. I see it in R5: "Upload Wizard Launch Sync-up" at 10 [18:14:58] I wasn't invited :) [18:15:04] me neither [18:15:11] oh you seriously weren't?! [18:15:17] wow, that's lame [18:16:19] If it's a technical discussion, I may not be needed. [18:18:06] well, it's probably a pull trigger or not discussion [18:18:18] let's wait till 11am [18:18:25] oh [18:18:50] I know it looks bad, but I'm going to cross off all the major bugs... before 11am if I can ;) [18:18:51] Maybe Alolita missed her train, or something. [18:18:58] maybe we're just not interesting [19:41:45] RoanKattouw: you around? [19:42:19] damn, a day without Roan is a day without sunshine. [19:48:06] flipzagging, anything the rest of us could hinder you with? :P [19:50:52] hinder? [19:51:34] Reedy: that joke went over my head [19:51:48] It wasn't a joke [19:51:53] impede: be a hindrance or obstacle to [19:55:43] flipzagging, looks like you summoned him [19:55:56] hey RoanKattouw [19:56:00] *RoanKattouw answers [19:56:22] we missed the 11:00a PT meeting, going to try again at 1:30pm PT which we assume is too late for you. [19:57:02] we can communicate what happened & get your feedback tomorrow maybe? [19:57:12] I can do 1:30 [19:57:20] ok, no pressure [21:17:48] <^demon> robla: Merged in r77114, if you want to go ahead and deploy again. [21:19:29] ^demon: done. [21:20:27] ^demon: there's nothing terribly tricky about the deployments now.... it's just a straight up svn update in the flaggedrevs-w and flaggedrevs-de directories [21:20:39] <^demon> Ah, good to know [21:20:49] <^demon> Wasn't sure what Black Magic (tm) might have gone on [21:21:44] nope...things were a little scrambled before we settled on using your staging branch, but now that we're doing that, it's pretty simple [21:23:28] we also try to keep pl-wp and de-wp up-to-date with trunk, and that is a little trickier due to the shared extensions folder [21:24:20] I'm still curious as to who is using prototype right now other than us [21:32:53] UW thing now? [21:35:08] flipzagging: It's past 1:30, are we doing the UW thing now? [21:40:15] flipzagging, guillom: Poke, I thought there was gonna be a UW scrum now? [21:44:03] they are scrumming now. sec. [21:44:33] RoanKattouw: flipzagging says "Tell him I'm insane and I'll talk to him later." [21:44:44] OK [21:44:56] Well "later" will have to be tomorrow then [21:45:23] RoanKattouw: hey, sorry [21:45:37] RoanKattouw: I thought we were on our way to a conference room, but instead we started talking in the hallway [21:46:08] RoanKattouw: here's the current idea - Trevor will work on IE bugs mostly, I work on everything else. [21:46:14] OK [21:46:33] RoanKattouw: we'd like to do two deploys -- one basic one on the 24th, and then another bugfix on the 29th [21:46:49] OK [21:46:54] 29th is a Monday, right? [21:46:54] is that okay with you? [21:46:56] yes. [21:47:17] anytime that you feel is convenient on either of those days is fine [21:47:25] Yeah that's fine, but we'll have to adjust the time on Monday a bit [21:47:29] ok [21:47:44] Say 11am [21:47:54] At the earliest [21:47:57] ok [21:48:03] And I'll be sticking around till about 1pm-2pm [21:48:13] is there any concerns you'd like to raise w/ everyone else, we are just chatting in the collab area [21:48:27] None that I know of [21:48:43] this should be simple since you just checkout to extensions/UploadWizard [21:48:43] I mean I assume you're aware of the various bugs that have been reported in BZ and the i18n issues that Nike reported on CR [21:48:46] Yeah [21:48:47] oh yes [21:48:50] Deployment itself is simple [21:48:57] I have fixes for all those already [21:49:01] just need to put it on prototype [21:49:07] OK cool [21:49:11] wait... [21:49:12] BZ? [21:49:14] what's that [21:49:20] Bugzilla [21:49:23] oh right [21:49:34] yes, the showstopper issues are all going down today hopefully [21:49:48] there are still a lot of major bugs though, which I & Trevor will burn down as much as possible [21:50:00] we are bound to do a release in Nov, though due to the grant [21:50:08] Yeah [21:50:18] so we may have a "sorry, this doesn't work in IE6 yet" message [21:50:30] anyway, that's all app-specific, not really deploy. [21:50:45] ok so we are on for Wednesday 24th Nov 10:00am PT [21:51:05] Yes [21:51:14] 10am on Wednesday is cool [21:51:20] great, thank you. Sorry for not dialing you into the meeting, it's my fault. [21:51:30] I thought we'd do it on IRC like last time [21:51:42] me too, it all got confused [21:51:53] OK so [21:52:18] Monday is not the best day for me, TBH, because I'm away from home 7:15am-7:10pm my time and eat dinner after that [21:52:25] ok [21:52:36] if you want to go to Sunday or even early Tuesday this is possible. [21:52:42] So while I /can/ deploy stuff starting 8ish (=11am PT) I'd rather move it to Tuesday if possible [21:52:56] Early Tuesday is cool too [21:53:09] Remember that my early Tuesday can be your late Wednesday, we've played that card before [21:53:13] I don't see a big risk there--- we'll test UploadWIzard basic functionality on the 24th and nothing is really going to change other than CSS and JS after that. [21:53:21] *late Monday [21:53:25] um [21:53:35] I'm taking the plane to France on Tuesday, so if you deploy then someone else will have to publish the various announcements that I'll have prepared (which is ok) [21:53:36] I don't think in multiple timezones as well as you do [21:53:51] OK so [21:54:43] sorry, I missed everything after "OK so" [21:54:52] i.e. nothing [21:54:56] heh [21:55:02] Current plan: 2nd deployment Monday @ 11am PDT = 8pm CET . My preference: Tuesday morning PT if possible, or Tuesday morning my time = very late Monday or very early Tuesday PT [21:55:10] i.e. around midnight [21:55:20] I'm fine with that, Guillom, are you? [21:55:33] 'that' being? [21:55:51] I'm not really needed for deployment; I can ask Jay to send the announcements on my behalf, they'll be ready. [21:56:16] RoanKattouw: why don't you suggest a time and we'll just deal with it [21:56:28] RoanKattouw: when is your flight in CET? [21:57:12] *RoanKattouw isn't flying anywhere until January [21:57:36] flipzagging: OK so if it's my pick, 10am Tuesday [21:57:53] oh, I got you confused with Guillom for a second. [21:58:12] hm, I thought "very early" would mean like 1am [21:58:38] 1am Tuesday I can deal with... 10am Tuesday is scary, since if something goes wrong we have less recovery time. [21:58:45] I said "Tuesday morning if possible" [21:58:48] Yeah that's true [21:58:50] 1am is fine too [21:59:01] But I'd have to set the alarm :P [22:00:49] 1am PT = 10am CET ? [22:01:03] Yes [22:01:15] I guess you must be very nocturnal... [22:01:43] what are our options for doing it monday? [22:02:50] 10am is fine, it's just that Monday is a really long day [22:03:02] For Monday, between 11am and 1pm basically [22:03:17] Although I'd prefer not to have to do a deployment after a long day at uni [22:03:24] ok let's not then. [22:03:36] Tuesday 1am is fine by me [22:03:47] If you're nocturnal enough for that [22:03:49] :) [22:03:51] we can go to 2am or something if that is easier for you. Well, we will anyway [22:03:55] :) [22:04:10] I can time-shift for one day, you do it every day [22:04:51] Let's say 1am and keep it half decent for both of us [22:05:06] heh [22:05:35] ok, it's added to the WMF eng calendar [22:05:43] and the first deploy was already on the calendar. [22:06:14] guillom: the only thing I want to understand from you is, what messaging will appear (if anywhere) on Commons on the 24th [22:06:17] or in advance [22:06:26] you have that under control? Just let me know what's happening [22:06:43] We don't need to say anything on the 24th [22:06:57] but there'll be public notices on the SLA & microblogs [22:06:59] ok, it's a regular dark launch then [22:07:24] (i.e. all server stuff is logged publicly) [22:11:07] Alright, I'm calling it a night [22:11:14] See you guys tomorrow [22:18:31] flipzagging, how long are files kept in the stash system before being automatically deleted? [22:18:59] guillom: well, Roan has looked into this and I believe it's currently forever :) [22:19:24] This is problematic :) [22:19:27] guillom: that's a good point, we should add a crontab to delete stashed files when we deploy. Or we could just ignore it [22:19:45] I know it's an issue for people who "bail" [22:19:57] but their file is unreachable/unguessable to anyone else anyway. [22:20:42] The community of Commons will say "ZOMG everybody is going to abuse Commons as their personal host for pictures" [22:21:45] guillom: I know [22:21:58] guillom: well, their personal host where only they can see it? that's a bit wacky [22:22:22] guillom: ok, let's try to deploy a crontab to remove files in stash after, 1 week? [22:22:37] If it's not too much trouble, yes, please [22:22:45] ok I'll talk it over w/ Roan [22:23:23] you can document it as "we don't guarantee they will stay around longer than a week" [22:23:26] I already imagine the discussions about "what happens if someone uploads child porn; admins can't delete it and IT CAN STAY HIDDEN ON COMMONS FOREVER". [22:23:52] well, this problem exists today. [22:23:57] we didn't cause this [22:24:10] admittedly, we're making it SLIGHTLY easier to abuse the system that way. [22:24:33] I'm just explaining what people will complain about :) [22:25:07] dude, why do you think I went to such extreme lengths to make it so no one else could ever see your stashed pics :) [22:32:48] flipzagging: so, i turned off debug mode, and IE7 came alive [22:32:57] going to see what IE6 is up to [22:33:26] Yay [22:33:36] my IE8 is busted, but my IE7 still seems to be OK.. I have John downloading a new Vista copy for me, I should have a new IE8 VM by tomorrow [22:33:55] you're a dragon slayer, man [22:34:05] ha ha [22:34:38] I'm just going to sort out why debug mode is crashing IE, because if there's a browser we need to have debug info in, it's IE [22:35:03] debugging in IE is one of my favorite things to do, ever. [22:35:16] the line numbers it gives are very useful. [22:35:49] and it usually gives descriptions for the errors that practically write the patch for you! [22:36:19] flipzagging: IE6 is working so far... [22:36:31] yeah. it makes being a web developer almost criminally easy. [22:36:37] and never frustrating. [22:36:50] I'm getting that "the upload didn't have all the required information (probably a bug in this uploade.)" error in IE6 and 7 thoguht [22:36:51] [22:36:55] but not in FF [22:36:59] hm [22:37:10] ok, I'll have to check that out. [22:37:31] k [22:37:36] so you get the orange triangle, and you can't proceed anyway since that's broken... :) [22:37:39] I will chase down the offending debug code [22:37:41] working on it ! [22:38:03] yes, orange triangle of death is present [22:38:08] take your time [22:41:33] well, the bug is for sure between lines 11 and 55 in mw.Log.js - it runs like a dream when you delete that range... [22:42:08] *TrevorParscal looks at working version in phase3 [22:57:07] hello hello [23:11:29] is Russ on this channel? [23:14:40] russ? [23:15:08] He was at DC... he's helping design the next-gen media storage [23:16:35] cool! [23:18:50] flipzagging, nelson__ in #mediawiki [23:21:56] Reedy: how's it going? [23:22:14] TrevorParscal, seemingly better than it was Friday.. So fingers crossed :) [23:29:45] hey Reedy [23:29:47] surviving? [23:30:09] Something like that! :P [23:30:19] werdna, btw, when are you in SF? [23:30:41] i get in eve of 15th, leave afternoon of 4th [23:30:48] Jan? [23:30:57] jan-feb [23:31:14] wait, afternoon of 3rd [23:31:19] I've gotta be home before the 20th :( [23:32:04] gonna have so many people in the office. dunno what we'll do about desks. [23:32:12] define gotta? :-p [23:32:16] Exam [23:32:22] 40% of a module [23:32:33] I will have passed the module on coursework alone.. [23:32:33] psdch [23:32:39] but not attending exams is frowned upon :P [23:32:43] exactly! [23:32:57] It's my masters years [23:33:03] cba with "resits" [23:33:05] not had to do any yet [23:33:23] mmm, brunch was a good decision [23:33:31] $10 BRAT + coffee across the road [23:33:41] Reedy: well I'll see you either in SF or at Jimmy's thing then? [23:34:01] There should be a few days SF overlap [23:34:18] When is the party? (My memory is bad atm) [23:34:28] 13/1 [23:34:53] Hmm. I'm likely still in SF... [23:34:59] Depends what happens [23:35:03] Are you passing through the UK? [23:35:10] (bar the stopf for that) [23:36:27] 2 hour stop at lhr for sfo-lhr-bru, and, more importantly, my flight home is out of lhr [23:37:00] FOSDEM? [23:37:31] yeah [23:37:34] are you going? [23:37:44] Thinking about it [23:37:48] No reason I can't... [23:38:00] I told alolita1 I'd try to drag you along [23:38:03] and roan will be there [23:38:03] :D [23:38:16] Yeah, Jeron, Siebrand, Nikerabbit (I think) [23:38:39] danese, too