[00:03:59] Done :D [00:05:08] I've got a hankering for an android tablet... As there are more starting to appear. Samsung Galaxy Tab is apparently shit.. Viewsonic do one [00:05:15] Not sure why you'd want one dualbooting Win 7 [00:24:26] Right, I think I'm gonna head out to bed [00:24:33] See if I can get a decent night sleep [00:24:43] before going to rage about a lecturer and his module [00:28:04] TrevorParscal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#New_features.2FTake_me_back_links [00:41:25] Night all [20:16:04] pdhanda: Ryan_Lane: looks like an extensions dir update broke http://prototype.wikimedia.org/de.wikipedia.org ...is one of you still in there, or should I fix it now? [20:16:48] I thought you guys have a separate extensions directory? [20:16:58] did someone svn up? [20:17:21] that one doesn't (yet) [20:17:45] this is testing against deployment branch? [20:17:56] Ryan_Lane: nope...that one is trunk [20:17:59] ah [20:18:03] ah i sis not realize it did not, i did not even bother to check [20:18:07] talk with TrevorParscal [20:18:44] in positive news, I put in an order for virt hardware ;) [20:18:51] huzzah! [20:18:52] :) [20:19:24] I also have openstack in a mostly working state, with multiple nodes and proper networking [20:19:34] should have a working cluster up soon enough [20:20:13] just to give a slightly bigger picture: there are two proto wikis we set up for ourselves (flaggedrevs-w and flaggedrevs-de) and two proto wikis that we just started using because they were compatible with our goals (de-wp and pl-wp) [20:20:48] *Ryan_Lane nods [21:26:09] TrevorParscal: why do we want to built a survey system? [21:26:14] s/built/build/ [21:26:23] we just want to revise the existing one a bit [21:26:35] most of this code is already done, we just want to make it a bit more reusable [21:26:56] so I'm collecting input, so I can have some guidance in that effort [21:26:58] sounds like something worth scrapping, unless there are compelling reasons that we should run our own surveys. [21:26:58] what ya surveying? [21:27:07] SimpleSurvey already works ok, we just want to improve it [21:27:34] brion: well, in the past we've surveyed people as they leave the beta [21:27:37] i'm just asking, what if we improved it by using one of the ten zillion open or free systems out there. [21:27:47] and now we are surveying people who have used the article feedback tool [21:28:32] flipzagging: well, we already know SimpleSurvey very well, and do not know those other systems [21:28:42] *nod* [21:29:00] SimpleSurvey has already made it into our system, passed through code review, is integrated into out i18n system, etc. [21:29:07] none of the other systems have [21:29:10] there is some sense to making use of existing tools where available, though if we want to tie specific account info in that might be harder with an external system [21:29:12] so it's a better starting point [21:29:26] i18n too -- good point [21:29:49] it's easy to bias extra to english-speakers otherwise [21:29:53] being able to integrate into other data in the system, like how many edits the user taking the survey has made for instance... that gets really hard to do with an external system [21:30:02] flipzagging, guillom: hi! [21:30:06] hi [21:30:08] hey [21:30:22] flipzagging: saw the note from jinesh [21:30:25] yes [21:30:35] but what you are noticing, that we reinvent things all too often - I totally agree with and it makes me sad generally [21:30:43] I see Calcey has been busy (judging on the number of bugs they've reported) [21:30:46] did you check your changes yesterday [21:31:02] alolita: some, still ongoing, and of course these bugs from Calcey require new attention. [21:31:21] alolita: I'm pretty close to crossing off what was yesterday about five or six of the worst bugs. [21:31:45] all to do with handling error states. [21:31:54] flipzagging: i see [21:32:15] flipzagging: something you are already working on right [21:32:32] it's not a new thing [21:32:44] flipzagging: yes [21:33:27] correction: handling error states and making the "proceed to next step" a voluntary action on the first page. [21:33:32] flipzagging: do calcey's bug reports point out problems you were not aware of (i haven;t gone thru bugzilla yet) [21:33:37] which are actually related, in ways that are amazingly tedious. [21:34:04] I didn't expect the degree of problems on IE6-8, since I checked it a few weeks ago and it worked decently. [21:34:10] Opera I knew was a problem. [21:34:31] the IE problems are worrying me the most, although I'm not sure what happened to cause them. [21:34:34] flipzagging: ie 6-8 is a problem [21:34:54] flipzagging: i would say show stoppers almost [21:35:12] yes. I need to investigate it. [21:35:47] flipzagging: let's take a call on monday - we can't launch on wed with serious ie problems [21:35:52] I agree. [21:36:09] flipzagging: and i don't want to launch in december [21:36:20] Looking at the number of bugs now, I would say launching on wed is a remote possibility. [21:36:36] I'm not planning on taking holidays over Thanksgiving, FWIW. [21:36:37] flipzagging: can roan help? or trevor? [21:36:45] yeah, I was thinking we need more help here. [21:36:47] they could [21:37:08] *TrevorParscal like helping [21:37:10] flipzagging: then we should definitely pull them in [21:37:28] TrevorParscal: I was especially thinking about you since Roan is still in exam hell and all, right? [21:37:39] plus we are going to tap Roan for deploy stuff anyway [21:37:54] TrevorParscal: hi! [21:38:10] hi [21:38:19] TrevorParscal: I'm kind of wondering now why I didn't get your help before... programmer optimism I guess [21:38:32] can we talk later today about this? [21:38:44] flipzagging, TrevorParscal: can you guys mind-meld and figure out a plan today [21:39:02] sounds good to me [21:39:05] on our planet, we just talk when we have a meeting, but sure. [21:39:06] I'm at your service [21:39:23] your == alilita|flipsazgging [21:39:28] all right well that's my report such as it is [21:39:32] flipzagging: at this point, i would say a mind-meld is essential [21:39:50] LOL [21:40:10] flipzagging: our upload wizard is at stake :-) [21:40:24] IE6: YOU SHALL NOT PASS [21:40:33] :-) [21:40:41] or rather YOU SHALL PASS ALL YOUR TESTS [21:40:43] So, on my side, I've just published the (long) licensing tutorial behind-the-scenes blog post. [21:40:49] oh, great [21:40:51] And, my plane ticket has been approved [21:40:59] and I'll be flying on Nov. 30th. [21:41:02] flipzagging, TrevorParscal: I will touch base with you later today then on your plan [21:41:08] k [21:41:10] guillom: Published where? [21:41:22] Shirley, my blog [21:41:30] you mean personal blog [21:41:32] yes [21:41:34] guillom: i read it - http://www.gpaumier.org/blog/1012_licensing-tutorial-making-of/ [21:41:46] ah, alolita was faster than me [21:41:48] anyway [21:41:50] And me. [21:41:59] I always go to gpaumier.com. [21:42:13] guillom: you mentioned "More generally, the Multimedia usability project was the first engineering project of the Wikimedia Foundation with a Product Manager on its team. I feel this role has played a critical bridging role between the users and the rest of the team, to everyone’s benefit. I’d love to see this happening more regularly in WMF-driven projects." [21:42:14] I'll prepare the announcements for the deployment, so that we can publish it easily [21:42:41] guillom: is this true? you were wikimedia's first product manager? [21:42:49] yes [21:42:58] alolita: wow [21:42:59] AFAIK [21:43:03] Heh. [21:43:06] Talking to yourself. [21:43:10] =) [21:43:14] Shirley: :-) [21:43:15] everyone is reading it [21:43:27] "copyright paranoia" [21:43:52] This post is putting quite a positive spin on Wikimedians' obsession with copyright. ;-) [21:43:54] Anyway, since the deployment date is blurry, I'll prepare everything, so it can be announced even if I have a limited Internet connection. [21:44:18] guillom: the deployment date is not blurry - we have till nov 30 [21:44:35] And my plane takes off on Nov. 30 :) [21:44:55] guillom: if you have the announcements ready by nov 29 that would be great [21:44:56] Which means my availability will be fairly limited on Nov. 30th and Dec. 1st [21:45:09] They should be ready by Wednesday next week. [21:45:19] guillom: your availability has been fairly limited for a while now ;-) [21:45:28] Meh. [21:46:08] Well, it'll be worse when I'm in a plane :) [21:46:37] Which is why I'll prepare everything in advance. [21:46:54] guillom: that's cool [21:47:04] guillom: you should ask the foundation to upgrade your flight to one that has in-flight internet [21:47:28] flipzagging: interesting idea [21:47:43] guillom: are there flights with wi-fi to paris [21:47:52] No idea. [21:47:58] i didn't mean it that seriously [21:48:06] flipzagging: :-) [21:48:13] even when you have a flight that advertises internet it's sketchy [21:48:41] ok I think we're done? [21:48:47] flipzagging: the only flights in the us that i have seen with any internet connectivity are virgin atlantic ones [21:49:06] flipzagging, guillom: yes we seem to be done only for today [21:49:10] ok [21:49:24] I'll continue to post email as I work on things [21:49:35] we'll meet first thing Monday? earlier than 1:30? [21:49:48] or just the regular scrum [21:49:51] flipzagging: yes that's a good idea - how about 10am? [21:49:56] sure [21:50:21] unless that ruins things for you alolita, since you have more demands on your time [21:50:34] flipzagging: ok 10am it is then and i would like to touch base with you and trevor later today after you have synced up [21:50:41] right [21:50:53] flipzagging: so ping me whenever you are ready :-) [21:50:53] alolita: I did want to speak to you later about other stuff too [21:51:14] right, I'll talk to Trevor now [21:51:14] flipzagging: anytime [21:51:30] flipzagging: cool and then ping me