[04:42:30] guillom: aude captured exactly what I was going to say about that "Roles and responsibilities" subpage. [04:43:11] I think it's fine to lay out what the employees are going to be doing, but there should be a complementary page explaining the role of the Community (including volunteer developers, readers, etc.). [04:44:45] Shirley, I agree, but it's not my job to do that. It wasn't even my job to do this page, I just chose to do it for my own purposes. [04:44:55] Fair enough. [04:48:36] i'm not a fan of that page. not so much because of its content but because it's very. . . restrictive? i dunno. it seems to define my role but that's not an accurate definition. [04:49:10] It's a wiki. [04:50:14] oh, i know. [04:50:23] i'm finding it difficult to explain. [04:50:47] for me, everything is fluid [04:51:02] Trevor also expressed some concerns about the page, because he too wants to remain a Jack of all trades. My reasons for creating this page are explained at the top of the page, and I don't see another way to have accountability. [04:51:39] i don't know if it is "wishes to remain jack of all trades" [04:51:55] i think it is more "wishes to avoid not being able to step into rolls *if it is required*" [04:53:15] I'll comment on the talk page tomorrow (uploading files to Commons right now) but the goal of the page is clearly not to *prevent* people from doing other stuff if they want, it's to make sure everything is done. [04:53:28] s/is/gets [04:58:41] Bed time; good night :) [06:05:06] *jorm invoke Roan [18:04:00] I'll be in the meeting in a minute, running upstairs to see if there's an Ethernet cable up there [18:05:27] Nope, no cable :( Will have to be on wifi then, although voip on wifi doesn't work too well [18:06:54] it's okay. we seem to have no phone in here. [18:07:01] we're trying to get it connected now. [18:08:07] phone was offline, it's booting up now [18:10:22] still booting up :( [18:10:28] I can skype you in if needed [18:10:30] Still hearing music [18:10:36] Did you guys start already then?!? [18:10:55] yes, we started, then 5 minutes later I asked "Did someone tell Roan we started?" [18:11:02] *grr* [18:11:11] This happened 2 or 3 times before, and it annoys me [18:12:02] RoanKattouw, can I call you on skype? [18:12:09] Sure, lemme fire up Skype [18:12:11] the phone totally blows. [18:13:14] can you hear us ok? [18:13:36] the phone is ready now if you prefer [18:13:40] RoanKattouw, ^ [18:13:52] I can hear you guys fine, thanks [18:13:55] ok [18:55:20] flipzagging: You still have a fixme on https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Code/MediaWiki/74999 [18:56:38] Roan: yeah, I know [18:56:44] RoanKattouw: not hard to fix that one