[17:08:29] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: howdy
[17:09:04] <TrevorParscal>	you missed out on the blue cheese and home-made crackers (made them last night)
[17:09:28] <RoanKattouw>	I missed out on blue cheese? Good! ;)
[17:09:36] <RoanKattouw>	Home-made crackers sound good though
[17:10:37] <guillom>	Blue cheese is one of the cheeses I don't like because it's too strong. *But* that's usually for French blue cheese; American blue cheese (for example the one they put in Specialty's salads) I can eat :)
[17:15:01] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: Now that you're back and the progress meeting has been moved to tomorrow, I wanted to schedule a meeting with you to discuss what we're gonna do with RL from here on out. I took a stab on two things in BZ but discovered both not to be very feasible, and I generally get the feeling we should clear up where we're going
[17:15:20] <RoanKattouw>	Kind of a roadmap I guess
[17:16:01] <TrevorParscal>	guillom: the specialties salad blue cheese is very mild, yes... I think it's gorgonzola
[17:16:27] <TrevorParscal>	RoanKattouw: awesome, I'm just catching up on email, mostly bugs / CR stuff
[17:16:34] <TrevorParscal>	when are you going to bed?
[17:16:43] <RoanKattouw>	Hmm should go early
[17:17:00] <RoanKattouw>	I overslept and was stressed out all morning
[17:17:21] <RoanKattouw>	Figuring out where to squeeze in breakfast while traveling 50+ mi to uni
[17:20:20] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: Let's do it at 11ish, so I can go shower now and have a chance to get some sleep later
[17:20:46] <TrevorParscal>	cool
[17:50:39] <RoanKattouw_away>	TrevorParscal: Make that slightly later, got caught up in something. Back around 11:15
[17:50:48] <TrevorParscal>	n/p
[17:59:13] <Ashlee>	I sent an e-mail to Alolita about RL about a week ago and never heard anything back.
[18:10:52] <TrevorParscal>	What were you looking to get?
[18:16:35] <flipzagging>	php question: has the behaviour of $foo::bar changed in 5.3, where bar is a class var of class Foo ?
[18:16:49] <flipzagging>	I get the double colon error (in splendid hebrew) in 5.2
[18:19:09] <brion>	flipzagging: yeah
[18:19:12] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: A roadmap, AFAIK, which is what you and I should talk about now
[18:19:20] <brion>	for 5.2 you need to call_user_func(array($foo, 'bar'))
[18:19:34] <flipzagging>	brion: it's not a function
[18:19:38] <brion>	or wait
[18:19:46] <brion>	bah ok i don't know if that even works then :D
[18:19:50] <flipzagging>	I'm not using namespacing
[18:20:01] <flipzagging>	or any of the 'use' or 'namespace' stuff I mean
[18:20:07] <brion>	i usually avoid class vars like the plague
[18:20:26] <TrevorParscal>	flipzagging: it was possible to access non-static stuff statically before, and now it's not
[18:20:43] <TrevorParscal>	as long as the method did not use $this it was treated as a static function
[18:20:47] <TrevorParscal>	evil and scary
[18:21:08] <TrevorParscal>	and I believe vars were also accessible either way
[18:21:17] <flipzagging>	that's a bit headexplodey
[18:21:27] <TrevorParscal>	brion: yes, public members make me uncomfortable...
[18:21:33] <TrevorParscal>	not safe enough
[18:21:47] <brion>	class var or class const?
[18:21:55] <RoanKattouw>	Oh even if it did use $this, it'd work
[18:22:08] <flipzagging>	right, I see why I did this
[18:22:08] <brion>	urgh my php 5.2 is broken. i'll have to rebuild
[18:22:11] *brion 	stabs macports
[18:22:11] <flipzagging>	$repo::FILES_ONLY
[18:22:23] <RoanKattouw>	If you called self::bar() from within the same class, it'd just to $this->bar()
[18:22:42] <RoanKattouw>	Even if you did it from a different class you'd get a "Assuming $this from incompatible context" *warning* and it'd continue
[18:22:51] <flipzagging>	no, I'm trying to tell the method of $repo, using one of its own constants
[18:22:51] <TrevorParscal>	brion: compiling from scratch isn't all that bad
[18:22:57] <flipzagging>	                // check if path exists! and is a plain file.
[18:22:58] <flipzagging>	                if ( ! $repo->fileExists( $path, $repo::FILES_ONLY ) ) {
[18:22:58] <flipzagging>	                        throw new SessionStashFileNotFoundException();
[18:22:58] <flipzagging>	                }
[18:23:00] <TrevorParscal>	http://office.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_tech_employee_orientation
[18:23:34] <brion>	flipzagging: i'd recomment just using the class name there -- it's not going to be a different constant value fo ra subclass is it?
[18:23:56] <flipzagging>	well, I happen to know that the repo is in fact a LocalRepo, but the class isn't supposed to really know that.
[18:24:01] <RoanKattouw>	TrevorParscal: ?
[18:24:20] <brion>	flipzagging: is FILES_ONLY defined differently on different repo classes?
[18:24:27] <brion>	or is it only defined once on one of them?
[18:26:14] <flipzagging>	it's defined in the abstract class FileRepo
[18:26:19] <flipzagging>	okay I'll just do it that way
[18:27:21] <brion>	+1
[18:27:48] <brion>	yeah that's a bitflag defined for the interfaces on FileRepo
[18:27:50] <Ashlee>	TrevorParscal: The RL roadmap.
[21:06:37] <guillom>	TrevorParscal, (and other people / nimish_g ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_%28party_game%29
[21:07:52] <TrevorParscal>	thank you
[21:08:10] <jorm>	they play that a lot on one of the forums i run.
[21:09:25] <jorm>	here's some photos of the office rebuilds i was talking about: https://jobs.ea.com/locations/usa/orlando/
[21:10:03] <nimish_g>	it's a fun game =)
[21:13:05] <guillom>	It is.
[21:43:35] <guillom>	TrevorParscal, has NTOC been disabled entirely?
[21:43:46] <TrevorParscal>	no
[21:43:50] <TrevorParscal>	what are you seeing?
[21:43:53] <TrevorParscal>	oh
[21:43:56] <TrevorParscal>	in the editor... um
[21:44:02] <TrevorParscal>	yeah, it depends on iframe
[21:44:05] <TrevorParscal>	iframe == evil
[21:45:13] <guillom>	Pity. I liked the feature.
[21:45:27] <TrevorParscal>	me too
[21:45:50] <TrevorParscal>	We could never get it to work reliably with a textarea except for on IE
[21:46:02] <TrevorParscal>	which was rediculous
[23:54:02] <jorm>	okay.  i'm off to have dinner with a friend from high school.