[00:37:43] w00t [00:38:16] jmatazzoni_, I just +2'ed RoanKattouw's commit that adds a whole bunch of base filters into the filter drop down list [00:38:25] It should be on beta soon [00:51:56] mooeypoo: Yay. [00:52:49] mooeypoo: RoanKattouw's and mine, thankyousoverymuch https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/331094/1..2/languages/i18n/qqq.json ;-) [01:10:07] James_F, I saw you +1'ed, I didn't notice you also added stuff! [01:10:29] I made it not-V-1'ed. [01:10:35] * mooeypoo is working on a followup commit that actually hides those implemented filters from the current display [01:10:39] On the basis that that's useful. [01:10:45] It is. Very. [01:10:53] Call me fussy. [01:11:04] I am hacking this SOOOO BAADDDLLYYYY [01:11:10] It's so terrible it's amazing [01:11:23] I mean, I'm starting to be proud of my mangled little code-baby here. [01:11:49] This patch is going to split people into two groups: Those who hem and haw, and those who get a heart attack just by looking at it. [01:11:51] It'll be fun! [01:55:34] James_F, you might be amused by the commit message and the method documentation in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/332932/ [01:56:00] James_F, excerpt from the method documentation: [01:56:01] * NOTE: Since the entire method is one big hack, individual "HACK!" comments [01:56:01] * were spared below. To the observant pedantic reader - please mentally add [01:56:01] * "HACK" before each line of code. [01:56:04] \o/ [01:56:13] * James_F grins. [01:56:46] mooeypoo: That is, indeed, terrible. [01:56:51] * mooeypoo bows [01:56:53] mooeypoo: How far away is "all filters"? [01:57:12] Well, to be fair, we won't ever be certain we have all filters, because filters can be added externally through random extensions [01:57:27] But we're close to having all *base* filters + deployed extensions [01:57:53] we'll probably have to have **something** like this always, but when most filters are implemented we can try and think of a better way to do this consistently [01:58:13] Or jmatazzoni_ can just decide whatever we don't support doesn't matter, and we'll just hide the entire list altogether. [01:58:22] Random extensions in WMF production? [01:58:24] ... I will be curious to see the mob reaction to that one, though. [01:58:50] Well, we know what wmf production has -- and we will implement those - but there are random extensions **in general** (3rd parties) that may add crap [01:59:05] We don't support 3rd parties, though. [01:59:18] and **while** we implement all wmf extensions, something should appear, it'll take a little time still [01:59:26] .... uh... yes.... we.... dooo...? [01:59:30] especially in core [01:59:45] Nope. We just "try to be nice" where it's not terribly expensive. [01:59:59] eh [02:00:06] I have a lot to say about that [02:00:35] As far as I'm concerned, this isn't as expensive and we should be nice to our users who use or test external extensions that add stuff to recent changes filters [02:00:52] either that, or make a decision that we don't support any filter that isn't implemented as the new system [02:01:10] which is a decent decision -- it would encourage whoever wants to display filters to implement them correctly [02:01:23] I'd say either use the new system or the old system (wiki-config-level). [02:01:23] but anyways, this tremendous hack is mostly temporary [02:01:38] I mean, I'd rather people don't lose usability when they use the new system [02:01:43] but I don't know how much of a problem that is [02:03:21] Yeah. [02:03:26] Temporary is fine. [02:03:32] But I worry this will become permanent. [02:03:37] James_F, I think making a decision that the new system won't **show** unimplemented filters (because we will support it if you add it to the URL params, probably?) is not an uncalled for product decision [02:03:52] but I would rather that if we do make it, it's because that's what we want, and not because we don't care about anything outside of production [02:04:05] * James_F nods. [02:04:54] James_F, valid concern. I'd say don't worry because it has lots of "HACK" on it, and because i'm fairly sure RoanKattouw will be physically ill every time he looks at it [02:05:03] but yes, these things tend to become permanent. I share your concern. [02:05:44] I wonder if we can have a shell script that +2s this and then reverts this patch automatically in 2 months. [02:05:49] :D [02:06:08] Also, there's a Process™ for deprecating things in MW-core now, so we should make the decision (whichever way) and replace the current system with whatever. [02:06:26] well, replacing the current system with rcfilters thing will take a while stll [02:06:34] we still have our own testing to do + beta feature time [02:06:42] Oh, of course. [02:06:43] we have some time to make this decision, is what I mean [02:06:57] whether or not we support "old" behavior and how much of it [02:07:00] I meant, decide on a system for extensions (WMF-hosted or third party) to extend RCF. [02:07:07] oh we're doing that now [02:07:32] and we are going to implement this in ORES and Wikidata and the translate extension -- all of which add crap to RC right now [02:07:47] * James_F nods. [02:07:58] so it's not out of the question to expect whoever else that has an extension to update their extension to our new structure *if they want their extension to work in the new system* [02:08:16] Indeed. [02:08:28] But we need to make a decision whether we support the "old" or "not implemented" stuff in the UI (because again, it's definitely supported in the back end and will probably work if you manually add it to the URL) or not [02:08:53] The current agreement is that this box with the "old" filters is our "dumping ground" for whatever we don't yet support [02:09:09] so... not sure if that's where it'll stay or f taht's just temporary until we plan to support everything, etc. [02:09:51] plus things like what happens if we decide we don't support the old system, but we get some weird parameter in the URL [02:10:22] do we display it? does the back end "fixes" it to get rid of it if you have the new system, because we can't display that state? Do we just put a note on the top of the page warning you that you have a weird parameter? etc etc. [02:10:29] decisions decisions! [02:15:34] * James_F nods. [02:15:56] I'd say "filter or nothing", because anything else is terrible for our users. [02:18:26] Well, we kinda need to support noJS [02:18:38] and writing a specific nojs version of rcfilters is not currently on the map [02:19:03] we're using the "old" system as our nojs version [02:19:04] so it'll stay for a while... [04:51:11] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10MediaWiki-extensions-PageCuration: Page curation creates double page headings on user talk pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155026#2951541 (10JustBerry) p:05Triage>03High Upping priority per relatively wide impact of the bug, considering this is the official Mediawi... [08:46:03] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10WikiLove: WikiLove type icons don't work in no.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155706#2951877 (10jhsoby) [10:46:33] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q2-Oct-Dec-2016), 10Flow, 05MW-1.28-release-notes, 13Patch-For-Review, and 2 others: Flow as a Beta feature: enable, disable and reenable doesn't seem to work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T138310#2952128 (10Trizek-WMF) [10:46:37] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017), 07User-notice-collaboration: Ask communities which have allowed Flow trials with manual enabling to switch to Bet... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143470#2952127 [10:49:05] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017): Ask Persian Wikipedia about Flow beta activation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155718#2952158 (10Trizek-WMF) [10:49:18] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017), 07User-notice-collaboration: Ask communities which have allowed Flow trials with manual enabling to switch to Bet... - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T143470#2569222 [10:49:50] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017), 07User-notice-collaboration: Ask Hebrew Wikipedia about Flow beta activation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155719#2952174 (10Trizek-WMF) [10:50:27] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017), 07User-notice-collaboration: Ask Arabic Wikipedia about Flow beta activation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155720#2952188 (10Trizek-WMF) [10:51:03] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017): Ask Persian Wikipedia about Flow beta activation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155718#2952158 (10Trizek-WMF) p:05Triage>03Normal [10:51:35] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017): Ask Persian Wikipedia about Flow beta activation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155718#2952222 (10Trizek-WMF) Persian Wikipedia [[ https://fa.wikipedia.org/wik... [11:05:10] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Notifications, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017), 07Documentation: Document Echo Mentions whitelist and blacklist options on Notifications help page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129642#2952257 (10Trizek-WMF) 05Open>03Resolv... [11:32:09] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow: "Post has no content. Content is required to save a post" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155724#2952302 (10MarcoAurelio) [11:32:56] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow: "Post has no content. Content is required to save a post" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155724#2952318 (10MarcoAurelio) [11:57:41] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Notifications, 10UI-Standardization, 05WMF-deploy-2017-01-03_(1.29.0-wmf.7): Echo's "You have new messages" fails WCAG AAA contrast guidelines and the colors are nasty - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T153506#2952331 (10matmarex) 05Open>03R... [12:20:49] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10CheckUser: Flow links formatting fail on Special:CheckUser - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T154796#2952389 (10MarcoAurelio) [14:22:21] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017): Ask Arabic Wikipedia about Flow beta activation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155720#2952737 (10Trizek-WMF) [14:22:29] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Jan-Mar 2017): Ask Hebrew Wikipedia about Flow beta activation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155719#2952738 (10Trizek-WMF) [14:56:24] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10DBA, 07Blocked-on-schema-change, and 2 others: Add primary keys to remaining Flow tables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149819#2952811 (10Marostegui) I think by next week we can start deploying this change. As the tables are rather small, it is probably safer to... [14:58:06] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10DBA, 07Blocked-on-schema-change, and 2 others: Add primary keys to remaining Flow tables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149819#2764089 (10Trizek-WMF) What would be the possible impact for users? [15:00:09] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10DBA, 07Blocked-on-schema-change, and 2 others: Add primary keys to remaining Flow tables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149819#2952819 (10Marostegui) >>! In T149819#2952815, @Trizek-WMF wrote: > What would be the possible impact for users? The table will be blo... [15:03:02] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10DBA, 07Blocked-on-schema-change, and 2 others: Add primary keys to remaining Flow tables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149819#2952823 (10Trizek-WMF) Thanks @Marostegui. How can I explain that? "Some Flow databases are going to be changed, that may cause some s... [15:12:56] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10DBA, 07Blocked-on-schema-change, and 2 others: Add primary keys to remaining Flow tables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149819#2952881 (10Marostegui) I just did a test to give you more detailed data about how long the change will take and the impact. On the smal... [16:31:41] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10DBA, 07Blocked-on-schema-change, and 3 others: Add primary keys to remaining Flow tables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149819#2953178 (10Trizek-WMF) >>! In T149819#2952881, @Marostegui wrote: > So the impact will be almost 0, so you might want to mention that a... [16:33:45] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10DBA, 07Blocked-on-schema-change, and 3 others: Add primary keys to remaining Flow tables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149819#2953190 (10Marostegui) >>! In T149819#2953178, @Trizek-WMF wrote: > When do you plan to perform that change? Not sure yet, probably ea... [16:38:38] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10DBA, 07Blocked-on-schema-change, and 3 others: Add primary keys to remaining Flow tables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149819#2953192 (10Trizek-WMF) >>! In T149819#2953190, @Marostegui wrote: > Not sure yet, probably early next week. I can update the ticket on... [16:39:31] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow, 10DBA, 07Blocked-on-schema-change, and 3 others: Add primary keys to remaining Flow tables - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149819#2953194 (10Marostegui) >>! In T149819#2953192, @Trizek-WMF wrote: >>>! In T149819#2953190, @Marostegui wrote: >> Not sure yet, probably... [17:30:31] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow: "Post has no content. Content is required to save a post" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155724#2952302 (10Etonkovidova) I was able to reproduce the issue with disabling/enabling Javascript (rather tricky) 1. Click on Reply - disable Javascript 2. Type or paste some... [17:37:15] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Notifications, 10MobileFrontend, 10Reading-Community-Engagement, and 3 others: Change how the notification count is displayed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T152457#2953357 (10bmansurov) @Nirzar, how should the circle look when we have 99+ notifications? With the current... [17:42:29] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2953420 (10jmatazzoni) [17:45:48] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Notifications, 10MobileFrontend, 10Reading-Community-Engagement, and 3 others: Change how the notification count is displayed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T152457#2953443 (10Nirzar) @bmansurov {F5313307} you can change the width the circle so it's kind of a pill shap... [17:50:16] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2950357 (10Trizek-WMF) I've also noticed that change but I didn't took time to explore it. That was not the case earlier (aka a couple of days ag... [17:50:31] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Notifications, 10MobileFrontend, 10Reading-Community-Engagement, and 3 others: Change how the notification count is displayed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T152457#2953497 (10bmansurov) Yes, that sounds great. [17:50:36] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 07User-notice-collaboration: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2953499 (10Trizek-WMF) [17:55:19] (03PS8) 10Cenarium: Support limited anon notifications [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/329374 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58828) (owner: 10Cen.temp) [17:56:00] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 07User-notice-collaboration: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2953523 (10Trizek-WMF) Note that I'm logged in. [18:01:36] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Support limited anon notifications [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/329374 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58828) (owner: 10Cen.temp) [18:02:00] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 07User-notice-collaboration: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2953528 (10Trizek-WMF) Okay. Can't reproduce. [18:16:19] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow: "Post has no content. Content is required to save a post" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155724#2953638 (10MarcoAurelio) Hi there. JS was enabled at that time I'm afraid. Maybe it didn't load at that time? Regards. [18:16:44] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 07User-notice-collaboration: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2953640 (10Trizek-WMF) On mw.org, while logged in and cleaning my cache after every test: # If I switch from VE to... [18:25:01] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Notifications, 07Epic, 13Patch-For-Review: Provide access to Notifications for anonymous users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58828#2953669 (10Mooeypoo) Thanks for your work, @Cenarium ! Some of this probably requires some design and product decisions; I'm pinging @jma... [18:33:23] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10MediaWiki-extensions-PageCuration: Page curation creates double page headings on user talk pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155026#2953688 (10Aklapper) The only production wiki where this is deployed is English Wikipedia hence I do not see any justified urgency here. @... [19:27:47] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Notifications, 10MobileFrontend, 10Reading-Community-Engagement, and 3 others: Change how the notification count is displayed - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T152457#2953947 (10bmansurov) a:05bmansurov>03None [19:39:44] Getting lunch and going into the coworking space [19:55:08] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10MediaWiki-extensions-PageCuration: Page curation creates double page headings on user talk pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155026#2954051 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) a:03Mattflaschen-WMF >>! In T155026#2943773, @Krenair wrote: > This looks like https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/... [20:29:37] matanya, did you see this? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7738/13 [20:29:59] matanya, this is related to what I asked you about in the dev summit, regarding citation lists [20:30:09] but it's fixing things by adding direction to the
  • again! :(((( [20:30:18] yes, a cool thing [20:30:21] noooo [20:30:22] ... [20:30:31] We should add dir in the *span* inside the LI [20:30:33] [20:30:46] ha [20:30:59] I am wondering if I'm the only one that thinks jumping-around-lists are terrible [20:31:05] 1. English reference #1 [20:31:05] 2. English reference #2 [20:31:05] Hebrew reference .3 [20:31:06] 4. English reference #4 [20:31:16] ^ does the community really thinks this is a good display? [20:31:46] I don't think so [20:32:01] worth a discussion on the village pump [20:32:27] but i would down vote this commit for now just to verify it doesn't get merged in the mean time [20:32:27] At the very least, I should ask eran to use classes instead of dir="" values (even though that's actually against w3c recommendations) -- but that would allow us to be flexible, to decide whether we apply to
  • or to the [20:32:42] i agree [20:32:42] Yeah I just saw it so I posted my comment (see at the bottom) [20:34:30] added my 2 cent [20:34:37] Oh, I expanded mine too [20:34:46] awesome. I'll try to write something for village pump maybe [20:35:01] but that's not all that related to this fix **if** we make sure we are using classes and not direct dir=".." values [20:35:44] matanya, thanks for pitching in :) [20:38:11] sure [20:48:51] matanya, I have a Hebrew question if you have a moment, trying to help RoanKattouw with his lightning talk about supporting languages and I am having hebrew brainfluke right now [20:49:14] go ahead [20:49:16] when counting years, "few" years in hebrew is singular, so like [20:49:18] 21 שנה [20:49:23] err [20:49:26] 20 שנה [20:49:37] sorry, 20, not 21 -- tht's actually my question [20:49:40] 20 שנים גם נכון [20:49:49] yeah but the singular apparently is more "proper" or something [20:49:56] indeed [20:49:58] anyways CLDR seems to only define that for 20, 30, 40, etc years [20:50:07] but... isn't... that true for 21, 22, 25.. etc ? [20:50:11] 25 שנה [20:50:14] ^ that's fine too [20:50:52] הכינותי מראש: http://hebrew-academy.org.il/topic/hahlatot/grammardecisions/terminology-ordinance/4-3-%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A9-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%9D-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8/ [20:51:33] also, this is only true for "years" and not, say, "apples" [20:51:36] אחרי המספרים מ־11 ומעלה השם הנמנה יכול לבוא ביחיד או ברבים. [20:51:54] סעיף ג. עונה על השאלה שלך [20:52:02] ha! [20:52:05] wow [20:52:18] I thought it was only years [20:52:36] 20 תפוח?? [20:52:43] sounds so bad [20:53:23] you clearly didn't visit the market recently [20:53:28] hahaha [20:53:48] עשרים תפוח בחמש שקל! רק היום! [20:54:03] oy vey [20:54:08] I thought it was an error [20:54:12] which of course is wrong [20:54:24] cause it should be בחמישה שקלים [20:54:26] but not because of the 20 apple [20:54:33] yeah [20:54:41] It's the חמש שקל that makes me cringe uncontrollably [20:55:07] language weirdness [20:55:28] Indeed [20:55:44] RoanKattouw is doing a "language weirdness" lightning talk about all kinds of weird things [20:55:45] I am proud of myself for remembering the right place to link to :) [20:55:51] number separators... [20:56:04] yes! nice! I didn't even think about looking it up in the official Hebrew academy [20:56:56] http://www.languagesoftheworld.info/linguistic-typology/just-weird-worlds-weirdest-least-weird-languages.html [20:57:01] just for fun ^ [21:04:36] matanya, I think I just broke Roan trying to explain our counting system [21:05:01] that maybe well deserved ;) [21:05:05] :D [21:05:20] 1-10 is one case, the rest is free form --> easy summary [21:05:25] you forgot 2 [21:05:29] 2 is a separate case [21:05:32] שנתיים [21:05:46] although that is also a separate case because I'm not sure everything works so well with that form [21:05:51] תפוחיים? [21:05:56] ^ that's probably legal, but weird [21:06:04] though קילומטריים sounds awful [21:06:11] ok, developer way of explaining : [21:06:23] 0 is a special case, test for it [21:06:27] (yes, he keeps asking me in Years -> N=1, N=2-10, N>=11 form :P ) [21:06:37] 1 is a special case, test for it [21:06:45] 2 is a special case test for it [21:07:11] anything between 0 and 2 in binary is a special case, test for it [21:07:19] rofl [21:07:25] anything greater than 2 in binary - free form [21:07:57] We should tell Hebrew Academy to just display those rules at the top of that page [21:08:26] "The Hebrew counting system is binary based" etc ... [21:08:44] yes, i see how that is going to be accepted [21:09:17] haha [21:09:54] I'm surprised CLDR defines the "singular" form for 'year' only for 10,20,30, etc [21:10:04] isn't amire working on CLDR too!? [21:10:12] should be [21:10:20] probably worth fixing [21:10:40] yeah although I think I'll leave that to Amir to do, because even I, as someone who was basically born into this language, have no idea what's proper anymore. [21:11:01] I'm going over that hebrew academy page for the third time :D [21:11:33] good sign of bad documentation [21:13:25] matanya, yeah I am not sure if that's bad documentation or bad ruleset [21:13:51] probably both [21:15:34] and if you want a deep dive : http://wals.info/languoid/lect/wals_code_heb [21:23:47] I should add something about that in rtl.wtf [21:23:58] It's not strictly rlt-specific, but it's definitely another challenge [21:25:08] also, wow on that page [21:31:09] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 07User-notice-collaboration: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2950357 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) The way it's supposed to work currently is that it stores a per-user preference, which... [21:55:01] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10MediaWiki-extensions-PageCuration: Page curation creates double page headings on user talk pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155026#2954499 (10JustBerry) @Aklapper The English Wikipedia has quite a lot of articles created (and hence pages being curated) relative to other... [22:08:09] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 07User-notice-collaboration: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2950357 (10Etonkovidova) I assume that in #5 and #6 wikitext and VE (repectively) were the editors that you started... [22:32:00] (03PS5) 10Matthias Mullie: [WIP] Pretty topic urls [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/290365 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59154) [22:36:00] (03CR) 10Matthias Mullie: "This patch is mostly done, I believe." (031 comment) [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/290365 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59154) (owner: 10Matthias Mullie) [22:57:27] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 07User-notice-collaboration: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2954651 (10Etonkovidova) **Logged in user**: The editor in which the last typing (editing) action took place will... [22:59:00] (03CR) 10jerkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Pretty topic urls [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/290365 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T59154) (owner: 10Matthias Mullie) [23:31:30] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 07User-notice-collaboration: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2954747 (10jmatazzoni) Here is what I just did (two times): - Log in to test.wiki - Go to [[ https://test.wiki... [23:31:42] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage, 10Flow: "Post has no content. Content is required to save a post" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155724#2954748 (10Etonkovidova) Thank you, @MarcoAurelio. I'll check few things, but can you provide more details, such as - wiki name - was it MonoBook skin that you used? - a... [23:35:59] 06Collaboration-Team-Triage (Collab-Team-Q3-Jan-Mar-2017), 10Flow, 07User-notice-collaboration: Rich text mode should be the default in Flow replies - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155665#2954772 (10jmatazzoni) I just did the test above a third time. This time the VE setting stuck. So... it works someti...