[00:02:37] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/292600/5 [00:05:11] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 07Community-consensus-needed: Enable Flow on fr Wikibooks as Beta Feature - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137396#2370302 (10Danny_B) [00:06:31] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages: Special:Notifications should have a max-width - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137425#2370303 (10Danny_B) [00:22:07] (03PS10) 10Mooeypoo: [wip] Add a cross-wiki sidebar to the Special:Notifications page [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/292600 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129366) [00:28:36] (03CR) 10Mattflaschen: ApiEchoNotifications: Add nottitles parameter (031 comment) [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293142 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137139) (owner: 10Catrope) [00:57:59] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow, 07Security-General: Applying deletelogentry restrictions to flow deletion log entries does not work - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137288#2370413 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) We can solve this for suppression by checking the permission of the current topic. However, for... [01:26:34] 10Flow, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 13Patch-For-Review: Deploy Flow as a Beta Feature on French Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136684#2370454 (10Dereckson) 05Open>03Resolved p:05Triage>03Normal [03:39:48] (03PS1) 10Aaron Schulz: Set doesWrites() for FlowAction [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293675 [06:27:38] mooeypoo: matt_flaschen: It's because I'm an idiot and I'm trying to use ApiPageSet in a module that's already a submodule of action=query. I should just be using the normal infrastructure for that. You can use &titles=... and I need to fix my patch [06:32:26] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4: Should welcome, emailuser and user-rights be associated with the user page or with no page? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137502#2370671 (10Catrope) >>! In T137502#2370186, @Quiddity wrote: > How practical/desirable (technically-speaking) would... [09:32:27] (03CR) 10Catrope: ApiEchoNotifications: Add nottitles parameter (031 comment) [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293142 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137139) (owner: 10Catrope) [09:33:11] (03PS5) 10Catrope: ApiEchoNotificatons: Add nottitles parameter [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293142 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137139) [09:33:30] (03CR) 10Catrope: "PS5: Identical to PS1" [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293142 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137139) (owner: 10Catrope) [09:59:23] Is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113902 possibly a low hanging fruit? [10:47:57] Hmm, I don't know, that's a Matt question [10:48:26] I'll probably poke at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137459 later though [10:48:56] I'm about to change from a domestic train to an international one, so I might not have wifi there [12:06:47] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 13Patch-For-Review, 05WMF-deploy-2016-05-31_(1.28.0-wmf.4), 05WMF-deploy-2016-06-07_(1.28.0-wmf.5): [betalabs] Reply text area is present on Resolved topics but replies cannot be saved - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135848#2371344 (10Catrope) This is not fixed for ano... [13:07:07] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow, 10Notifications, 13Patch-For-Review, 05WMF-deploy-2016-06-07_(1.28.0-wmf.5): Email notification about "someone edited the description on Flow board" should point to the diff, not the page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135136#2371516 (10Trizek-WMF) I should... [13:12:33] 10Flow: On Beta, Flow talk page manager does not move pre-existing sub-pages of archives - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133835#2371537 (10Trizek-WMF) 05Open>03Invalid >>! In T133835#2369917, @Mattflaschen-WMF wrote: >>>! In T133835#2367996, @Trizek-WMF wrote: >> Full links didn't worked fine in that ca... [13:18:07] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow: VE copy/paste issues - external links and formulas - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137503#2370149 (10Trizek-WMF) See also {T135621} [13:24:19] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 07Community-consensus-needed: Enable Flow on fr Wikibooks as Beta Feature - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137396#2371607 (10Trizek-WMF) >>! In T137396#2367894, @Dereckson wrote: > This analysis is worrying. I understand the enthusiasm... [13:28:05] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages: Special:Notifications should have a max-width - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137425#2371614 (10Trizek-WMF) There is already some products with limited width, like Flow. It helps a lot for readability imho. [13:28:28] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages: Consider to have a max-width for Special:Notifications page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137425#2371617 (10Trizek-WMF) [13:29:21] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 10MediaWiki-Special-pages: Consider to have a max-width for Special:Notifications page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137425#2368032 (10Trizek-WMF) [13:29:25] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Notifications, 07Design, 07Tracking: Design adjustments for the Notifications Page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T136567#2371618 (10Trizek-WMF) [13:35:22] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4: Should welcome, emailuser and user-rights be associated with the user page or with no page? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137502#2371642 (10Trizek-WMF) On wikis where a welcome system exists with a nominative system (detailed on T130356), `welc... [14:23:01] Every time I log into a new wiki (new as in, the first time after cross-wiki notifications launched), I see my messages icon in blue. Even though I've opened that panel on a different wiki before and closed it after glancing through. Is this intentional? [14:34:41] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GuidedTour, 13Patch-For-Review, 05WMF-deploy-2016-06-14_(1.28.0-wmf.6): GuidedTour registers a dependency on a key from Vector ('vector-view-edit') but doesn't depend on the skin (because you can't) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132989#2371847 (10... [14:36:02] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow, 13Patch-For-Review, 05WMF-deploy-2016-05-31_(1.28.0-wmf.4), 05WMF-deploy-2016-06-07_(1.28.0-wmf.5): [betalabs] Reply text area is present on Resolved topics but replies cannot be saved - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135848#2371850 (10Catrope) [15:40:44] 10Notifications, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 06Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016), 07Documentation, 07Tracking: Update Help:Notifications (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119713#2371969 (10Trizek-WMF) [15:40:46] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Notifications, 07Documentation: Create a page about how to mention people - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119720#2371965 (10Trizek-WMF) 05Open>03Resolved a:05Trizek-WMF>03Quiddity [[https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Notifications&diff=0&oldid=215... [15:44:07] 10Flow: Flow: "Edit resume" button add infinite text boxes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137459#2368888 (10Etonkovidova) For testing after the fix: - click on 'Edit summary' (or 'Summarize'), then click again - no additional text boxes appear {F4150602} - Also, check editing board description that displa... [17:29:31] Niharika: No, that's a bug: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134855 [17:30:34] 10Flow: Flow: "Edit resume" button add infinite text boxes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137459#2372414 (10Framawiki) I precise that the other button that call textbox, "Modify the topic name" ("Modifier le titre"), has not this problem. [17:36:03] 10Flow: Flow: "Edit resume" button add infinite text boxes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137459#2372429 (10Catrope) a:03Catrope [17:36:11] Ah, okay. [17:36:14] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Don't allow multiple summary editors to be opened for the same topic [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293759 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137459) [17:44:23] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Notifications, 07I18n: Some Echo issues of GENDER and untranslatability - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T63904#2372464 (10Nemo_bis) [17:51:34] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Remove automatic mark-as-read-when-seen [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293761 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132525) [17:52:01] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Re-categorize notifications: [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018) [17:52:14] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-2] "Not yet" [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018) (owner: 10Catrope) [17:52:40] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Re-categorize notifications: [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293763 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018) [17:53:27] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Re-categorize notifications [extensions/Thanks] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293764 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018) [17:54:19] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Re-categorize notifications [extensions/PageTriage] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293766 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018) [17:56:46] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Remove automatic mark-as-read-when-seen [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293761 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132525) (owner: 10Catrope) [17:57:35] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Re-categorize notifications: [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018) (owner: 10Catrope) [18:00:24] 10Flow, 13Patch-For-Review: Flow: "Edit resume" button add infinite text boxes - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137459#2372538 (10Framawiki) [18:03:56] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Flow wikitext area doesn't respect text formatting option (monospace, sans-serif, etc.) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T95831#2372551 (10Trizek-WMF) IS it possible to fix it? I had [[ https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sujet:T5jliuzwd82y43zw&topic_showPostI... [18:07:47] matt_flaschen, is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113902 possibly a low hanging fruit? [18:09:00] matt_flaschen: or anybody - what happened to new VE options added in Flow ? I see now only old ones. Was fine in the morning [18:09:24] in betalabs [18:10:50] +1 on etonkovidova's question. [18:16:21] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow, 06Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016), 07User-notice: Flow's VE toolbar v2 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93243#2372574 (10Trizek-WMF) {F4150948} We may need to shorten that toolbar width on page description' edit field. [18:18:54] etonkovidova, Trizek: If you mean the Flow toolbar thing, we decided to revert it because of controversy, see the task [18:19:28] I guessed it was that but that was unclear. [18:19:50] Having it on betalabs would be helpful to test and suggest new ideas. [18:19:52] Sorry, part of this happened in a meeting and I thought I had written it down properly, but if two people got confused then clearly I didn't [18:19:59] RoanKattouw: thx! I can see the controversy :) [18:20:13] Trizek: Yes; unfortunately we cannot (easily) have code on beta labs without having it go out to production the next Tuesday [18:20:28] Ah. [18:20:37] (03PS2) 10Catrope: Remove automatic mark-as-read-when-seen [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293761 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132525) [18:20:42] Don't we have/had wikis for long terms tests? [18:20:58] Yeah we have a bitrotten one somewhere that hasn't been maintained in like two years :/ [18:21:31] We do have the ability to have things only on beta labs, but then we have to do that by introducing a configuration setting like $wgDisableNewVEToolbar = true; or whatever [18:23:09] We have screenshots. [18:23:12] :) [18:23:58] Do we have something like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Target_browser_matrix#Short list for Flow? [18:24:35] That would be helpful when I need to answer questions like "Flow is not working on IE6" [18:25:43] I think for Flow we just follow the general Grade A / Grade C / Grade X thing [18:25:49] Which is somewhere on mw.org but I don't remember where [18:26:07] I'll search for it, thanks. [18:26:53] * RoanKattouw goes to dinner with the VE team [18:27:37] RoanKattouw, you are working on making https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018#2287803 real? [18:31:53] RoanKattouw, that matrix is not really accurate though. E.g. a lot more browsers (e.g. old Firefox) get JS than that claims. [18:33:29] My point was to have a source of supported browsers that I can rely on. [18:36:23] (03CR) 10Mattflaschen: [C: 04-1] "It should be overridden to false in ViewAction." [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293675 (owner: 10Aaron Schulz) [18:55:12] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Add option to semi/fully-protect Flow board descriptions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113902#2372669 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) [18:55:49] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Add option to semi/fully-protect Flow board descriptions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113902#1679572 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) Proposed a way to do this. [18:55:51] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Add option to semi/fully-protect Flow board descriptions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T113902#2372672 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) Proposed a way to do this. [19:00:04] Trizek, it's low-medium size. I would say low, except we need a UI for it. [19:02:11] Let's say medium then. Thanks matt_flaschen :) [19:19:00] (03PS11) 10Mooeypoo: [wip] Add a cross-wiki sidebar to the Special:Notifications page [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/292600 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129366) [19:34:15] (03PS2) 10Aaron Schulz: Set doesWrites() for FlowAction [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293675 [21:09:54] 10Flow: Broken Flow topics with non-existent pages and strange raw JSON data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137594#2372901 (10Southparkfan) [21:10:08] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow: Change deleted topic titles to be consistently visible and reflect this in permissions system - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119234#2372913 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) [21:11:41] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow: Change deleted topic titles to be consistently visible and reflect this in permissions system - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119234#1821559 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) Patch at {T137593}. [21:15:12] (03PS12) 10Mooeypoo: Add a cross-wiki sidebar to the Special:Notifications page [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/292600 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129366) [21:16:40] (03PS3) 10Mattflaschen: Set doesWrites() for FlowAction [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293675 (owner: 10Aaron Schulz) [21:17:03] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Flow don't show langLinks of the page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135896#2314755 (10Etonkovidova) Checked via API:Langlinks - the issue is not specific to fawiki or cawiki Flow pages. It seemed that not all namespaces display langlinks - e.g. Viquipèdia:La_t... [21:18:41] (03CR) 10Mattflaschen: [C: 032] "Thanks. I amended 2->3 to add the public keyword to one of them." [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293675 (owner: 10Aaron Schulz) [21:21:16] 10Flow: Miraheze: Broken Flow topics with non-existent pages and strange raw JSON data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137594#2372943 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) [21:24:15] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Impossible to load "Browse topics" list and reach a topic on Flow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135708#2307935 (10Etonkovidova) Re-checked on - [[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_Wikip%C3%A9dia:Flow | the page the issue was reported on ]] - all seems t... [21:26:21] (03PS13) 10Mooeypoo: Add a cross-wiki sidebar to the Special:Notifications page [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/292600 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129366) [21:28:33] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Set doesWrites() for FlowAction [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293675 (owner: 10Aaron Schulz) [21:29:33] 10Flow: Miraheze: Broken Flow topics with non-existent pages and strange raw JSON data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137594#2372901 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) Taking a quick look at this. [21:29:44] 10Flow: Miraheze: Broken Flow topics with non-existent pages and strange raw JSON data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137594#2372972 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) a:03Mattflaschen-WMF [21:48:09] Trizek|away, the standard browser matrix is at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Compatibility [21:52:46] matt_flaschen: Timo said something about how grade X !== gets no JS, but it was over dinner with little context [21:53:37] RoanKattouw, I'm not talking about grade X. I'm talking about Basic/Grade C. [21:53:56] OK; well ask Krinkle, he knows this stuff [21:54:03] RoanKattouw: Basic: "MediaWiki serves these browsers a JavaScript-less environment." Not true. [21:54:09] Oh, hah [21:54:16] That's not what he claimed was on that page, so maybe he was wrong [21:54:36] (03PS2) 10Catrope: Re-categorize notifications: [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/293762 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123018) [21:54:53] RoanKattouw, I'll ping him just to make sure he is aware. [21:55:47] OK [21:55:52] * RoanKattouw goes to bed, sorry [21:55:57] Have a great weekend everyone [21:57:03] RoanKattouw, you too. [22:05:16] mw:Compatibility is probably outdated. Zanzu! [22:19:55] 10Flow: Miraheze: Broken Flow topics with non-existent pages and strange raw JSON data - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T137594#2373093 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) One of the problems (hopefully the only one is) https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/blob/745d3d709300c90438cd5e1e86feb4b7177047de/LocalExtensions.php#L... [22:21:42] wait, RoanKattouw was here? [22:21:46] meh [22:22:25] matt_flaschen, could it be that we're caching the 'unread pages' api request? [22:22:30] I am getting inconsistencies [22:22:50] and it seems like one it's due to updates that aren't reflected in the new page/count for API response [22:24:58] mooeypoo, doesn't Chrome tell you if it's resolved from cache? Let me check. [22:25:12] mooeypoo, do you mean HTTP caching, or another kind? [22:26:26] I mean back-end [22:26:33] it's not cached in the front end, at least not that I can see [22:26:41] the server may be caching it? [22:31:39] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow, 10VisualEditor: Copy/pasting links on Flow has multiple unexpected behaviors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135126#2288980 (10Etonkovidova) Checked **Copy a link** 1. Enter the following as wikitext production (tested on frwiki and testwiki). Save. ``` Interna... [22:38:06] mooeypoo, I haven't looked into it in detail. DId you try debugging through? [22:39:09] (The PHP I mean) [22:40:51] I'm having problems debugging php, but i'll try [22:42:58] mooeypoo, okay, if you get stuck, let me know. I have PHP debugging set up. [22:43:13] thanks! [23:12:23] mooeypoo, what kind of project do you think I should use for Edit Review Improvements? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Project_management#Types_of_Projects [23:12:42] I'm thinking either Goal, Tag, or Umbrella (if we want to create the components underneath that later). [23:21:39] mooeypoo, what do you mean "Requesting and building all resource loader modules"? Should it be "Requesting and loading all resource loader modules"? [23:25:19] mooeypoo, thanks for the great architecture documentation. I reviewed it. [23:34:59] matt_flaschen, awesome, I just saw your fixes -- thanks for those [23:35:51] and yes, loading! loading the resource loader modules [23:36:17] mooeypoo, don't worry about the project. I asked Joe and Roan. [23:42:16] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 06Collaboration-Team-Interested: Blank or empty items in the Special:Notifications at ee-flow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78698#2373233 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) >>! In T78698#2366316, @Etonkovidova wrote: > Flow pages on ee-flow.wmflabs.org look odd and not updated. That's c... [23:49:33] matt_flaschen, which project? [23:50:17] "mooeypoo, what kind of project do you think I should use for Edit Review Improvements?" [23:50:30] oh I missed that [23:51:02] good thing, too, because I'd have suggested "Ronald" [23:51:03] mooeypoo, YES, but is Ronald a GOAL or an UMBRELLA? [23:51:20] O.O are these acronyms? [23:51:34] please tell me they're acronyms [23:52:09] mooeypoo, they can be. ;) [23:56:08] mooeypoo, Realigning Orientation for Noteworthy And Liked Development is probably a Gaining Opportunity and Liberty. [23:59:21] haha [23:59:27] matt_flaschen, I added another flowchart to the page https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MSchottlender-WMF/Notifications_UI_Architecture#How_the_code_works [23:59:33] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:MSchottlender-WMF/Notifications_UI_Architecture#/media/File:EchoMVC-popup-ui-model-relationship.png [23:59:54] lining up the relationship between the widgets and models, at least in broad terms