[00:13:41] quiddity, tough. [00:14:14] quiddity, I guess it's somewhat better than "buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo..." [00:14:29] how.... how did i miss that one?! >.< [00:14:59] buffalo without the commas, is just cheating. ditto the "had had had had ..." one [00:15:10] I had some fun with it and others of its kind in theory of computer science, where we had to figure out logical context [00:15:22] yeah the had had had is crazy [00:15:40] but even without the multiple "had had had" I always found past progressive to be insane [00:16:20] The idea that it matters whether an action is "short" or "long" in order to place it properly in linguistic terms is ludicrous [00:16:36] I did X in the past. Why is that so hard! [00:16:38] ohgod, philosophical logic, my class was at 8am, for 2 semesters in a row. I would've enjoyed it, if not for that! [00:17:00] quiddity, I actually enjoyed the class, but it was very confusing at times [00:17:10] we had to come up with ambiguous sentences, that was fun [00:17:11] agreed [00:17:14] "Free turkey!" [00:17:15] hehe [00:17:17] ha! [00:17:19] (I had a turkish friend) [00:17:35] That one was our favorite, especially around thanksgiving [00:18:23] But there are also things that are audibly ambiguous but not when you write them. Famously, "I'm 20..." "I'm twenty two" / "twenty too" [00:18:40] :o [00:18:50] If you just heard it, you can't tell. [00:18:58] mooeypoo: "My cousins lie about the family tree. I don't approve of annoying cousins." [00:19:20] ... ha! [00:19:21] (that's a quote from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel) , a pretty good read) [00:19:44] I forgot what we called the ambiguity thing in CS [00:19:47] (it's mostly not about ambiguous sentences, but they play a role) [00:19:49] the liguistic trees [00:20:02] oooh, hard science fiction. I approve [00:20:37] omg I remember this [00:20:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambiguous_grammar [00:20:55] It was actually fun, once you got the principle, but it was a tedious course [01:09:27] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4: Scheduling Huggle user interviews - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135792#2311339 (10jmatazzoni) [01:10:59] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4: Scheduling Huggle user interviews - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135792#2311353 (10jmatazzoni) @Capt_Swing, I don't seem to be able to add the Design-Research tag to this task. Privileges? Can you add it please? [01:54:59] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 13Patch-For-Review: Notifications - the whole page is bold - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131073#2311388 (10Catrope) From @eranroz's comment it sounds like it may be specific to viewing in Hebrew: possibly a mistake in the translation. [01:59:55] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow, 13Patch-For-Review: Improve Flow deletion/undeletion resilience - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122262#1899800 (10Catrope) >>! In T122262#2310857, @Mattflaschen-WMF wrote: > The only weirdness I found was that the core history page is sometimes cached somehow, so i... [02:12:24] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] NewTopicWidget: Show page title with spaces, not underscores. (031 comment) [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289783 (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [02:27:10] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Use ArticleRevisionUndeleted instead of ArticleUndelete [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289239 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122262) (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [02:48:08] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use ArticleRevisionUndeleted instead of ArticleUndelete [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289239 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122262) (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [03:56:01] 10Notifications, 06Performance-Team, 07Availability, 07Tracking: MWEchoEmailBundler should batch updates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135798#2311491 (10aaron) [03:56:04] 10Notifications, 06Performance-Team, 07Availability, 07Tracking: MWEchoEmailBundler should batch updates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135798#2311506 (10aaron) a:05aaron>03None [04:23:22] (03PS3) 10Mooeypoo: Filter notifications by read state in Special:Notifications [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288733 [05:13:51] (03PS4) 10Mooeypoo: Filter notifications by read state in Special:Notifications [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288733 [09:51:07] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] Load Vector/Monobook editor styles for both editors, not just VE [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289349 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127244) (owner: 10Catrope) [10:10:17] (03PS1) 10Addshore: Fix indenting in onResourceLoaderGetConfigVars hook method [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289833 [10:11:11] (03PS1) 10Addshore: Specify public access in Hooks methods [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289834 [10:44:03] (03PS1) 10Addshore: Remove overwritten $notifyTypes array [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289842 [12:10:24] 10Notifications: False revert notification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135821#2312308 (10Peachey88) [12:15:31] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Load Vector/Monobook editor styles for both editors, not just VE [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289349 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127244) (owner: 10Catrope) [12:26:00] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Load Vector/Monobook editor styles for both editors, not just VE [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289349 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127244) (owner: 10Catrope) [13:26:32] 10Notifications, 06Performance-Team, 07Availability: MWEchoEmailBundler should batch updates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135798#2312501 (10Danny_B) [13:29:21] 10Flow, 07Tracking: Flow board redirects (tracking) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135538#2312504 (10Danny_B) [14:28:29] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Remove overwritten $notifyTypes array [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289842 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:29:02] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 13Patch-For-Review: Notifications - the whole page is bold - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131073#2312711 (10eranroz) 05Open>03Resolved @Catrope good catch: [[https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki:Notification-header-men... [14:29:32] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Specify public access in Hooks methods [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289834 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:30:02] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: [C: 032] Fix indenting in onResourceLoaderGetConfigVars hook method [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289833 (owner: 10Addshore) [14:30:57] RoanKattouw, etonkovidova, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122262 is something that could use testing and regression-testing. Basically, to figure out if there is any way deletions or undeletions can break Flow. [14:31:21] etonkovidova, with the fix, I could not find anything, but I could definitely use your help on this. Would be good to solve this for good. :) [14:31:40] matt_flaschen: sure! :) [14:39:05] etonkovidova, if you can add a bit of move testing in some of the scenarios, that could be good as well, since moves preserve page ID and are thus related. That's something I didn't test in the latest round. [14:39:44] matt_flaschen: yeah, I remember that there are some interesting stuff with moving :) [14:50:58] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4: [betalabs] Reply text area is present on Resolved topics but replies cannot be saved - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135848#2312812 (10Etonkovidova) [14:52:50] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow, 10Parsoid, 13Patch-For-Review, 05WMF-deploy-2016-05-17_(1.28.0-wmf.2): [betalabs] "Request to parsoid for 'wikitext' to 'html' conversion failed" for for any edits - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135268#2312826 (10Etonkovidova) Thx @Mattflaschen-WMF - I filed t... [14:59:25] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 13Patch-For-Review: Change current no-JS Special:Notifications to use core Pager - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129169#2312845 (10Pginer-WMF) >>! In T129169#2310244, @SBisson wrote: > @Pginer-WMF What do you think of the general position of th... [15:31:17] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow, 13Patch-For-Review: Improve Flow deletion/undeletion resilience - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122262#2312935 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) >>! In T122262#2311390, @Catrope wrote: > Still a bit worrying though. But you say that this is a bug in core too? Yes. It's not sp... [15:34:13] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow, 13Patch-For-Review: Improve Flow deletion/undeletion resilience - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122262#2312964 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) Filed as {T135852}, will flesh out later. [15:41:11] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove overwritten $notifyTypes array [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289842 (owner: 10Addshore) [15:47:46] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Specify public access in Hooks methods [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289834 (owner: 10Addshore) [15:47:50] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Fix indenting in onResourceLoaderGetConfigVars hook method [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289833 (owner: 10Addshore) [16:16:46] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Impossible to load "Browse topics" list and reach a topic on Flow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135708#2313037 (10Trizek-WMF) Tried again and worked. I had to wait a few seconds before being redirected to that topic, I was worrying if it was working. Salix exp... [17:12:55] 10Notifications, 10The-Wikipedia-Library: Quarry the number editors effect per month by 500 edits and 6 months notification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132088#2313145 (10Capt_Swing) [17:22:13] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow, 10Parsoid, 13Patch-For-Review, 05WMF-deploy-2016-05-17_(1.28.0-wmf.2): [betalabs] "Request to parsoid for 'wikitext' to 'html' conversion failed" for for any edits - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135268#2313181 (10jmatazzoni) 05Open>03Resolved [17:25:49] etonkovidova, re: Thunderbird: do you mean the "View->Message Source" option? [17:26:43] quiddity: no, it's just like view a file in a browser [17:27:15] quiddity: hold on - I did not even see View option hmm... [17:30:14] yeah, mozilla regularly moves/renames useful things around. It took me a while to find that. [17:30:15] (And I *hate* that Firefox moved "View->Page Source" all the way over and down to "Tools->Web developer->Page source". The source is everything!!! At least it's still in the right-click context menu by default (unless I added that back with an extension).) [17:34:11] quiddity: sigh - I'll look again today. There are still some other issues with email format regardless ... [18:27:44] Is there a way (e.g. manual URL hack) to mark-as-read *all* notifications from a wiki? There's a user at Enwiki who says he has 99+ at mw, and I'm hoping I can suggest a quick way to fix it for him. (If not, I'll just ask him to click a bunch of times at [[special:notifications]]. ) [18:29:39] oh, it's at the top of the flyout (popup ((popover)) still. nvm! [18:29:53] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] "Impression logging works for local notifications but not for foreign ones. That said, I wonder how useful impression logging really is and" [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289580 (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [18:31:43] quiddity: Yes. That will (IIRC) only do 25 at a time but still [19:21:17] 10Notifications: False revert notification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135821#2313644 (10Catrope) [19:26:20] 10Notifications: False revert notification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135821#2312019 (10Catrope) This does seem like it was related to the fact that it was an automatically checked editor, yes. The event data looks like: ```lang=json { "revid": 17105615, "reverted-users-ids": [ "839346... [19:36:36] (03PS2) 10Mattflaschen: NewTopicWidget: Show page title with spaces, not underscores. [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289783 [19:36:48] (03CR) 10Mattflaschen: NewTopicWidget: Show page title with spaces, not underscores. (031 comment) [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289783 (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [19:38:52] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Impossible to load "Browse topics" list and reach a topic on Flow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135708#2313676 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) >>! In T135708#2313037, @Trizek-WMF wrote: > Something has been fixed since? No, I don't think so. [19:50:06] 10Notifications: False revert notification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135821#2313702 (10Catrope) 05Open>03Invalid Actually, strike that, the revision did in fact revert those 4 changes: https://tr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adalet_ve_Kalk%C4%B1nma_Partisi&type=revision&diff=17105615&oldid=1710... [20:08:19] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] NewTopicWidget: Show page title with spaces, not underscores. [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289783 (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [20:59:30] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 06Collaboration-Team-Interested: Cross-wiki notifications in no-JavaScript version of Special:Notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135877#2313886 (10Quiddity) [21:02:43] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 06Design-Research: Scheduling Huggle user interviews - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135792#2313930 (10SBecker) [21:03:15] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 06Design-Research: Scheduling Huggle user interviews - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135792#2311339 (10SBecker) @jmatazzoni @Capt_Swing - I added DR [21:13:58] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] NewTopicWidget: Show page title with spaces, not underscores. [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289783 (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [21:18:54] (03CR) 10Mattflaschen: ""in desktop view the cookie vary header should never be set"" [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289783 (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [21:19:01] (03CR) 10Mattflaschen: [C: 032] NewTopicWidget: Show page title with spaces, not underscores. [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289783 (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [21:19:36] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4: [betalabs] Text excerpts are not shown in Mention messages from wikitext user talk pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135879#2314004 (10Etonkovidova) [21:20:45] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 06Design-Research: Scheduling Huggle user interviews - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135792#2314018 (10Aklapper) I would like to see the questions and/or structure of those interviews, but unfortunately there are no dependencies or links provided in this task. Could that inf... [21:21:27] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 06Design-Research: Scheduling Huggle user interviews - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135792#2314020 (10Aklapper) **offtopic** In reply to T135792#2311353 by @jmatazzoni: See T76732 - not privileges related... [21:23:08] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Notifications: Add excerpt to edit-user-talk messages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135049#2314023 (10Etonkovidova) Since there are specific cases when the text excerpts are not shown in notifications - it was reported as a separate bug {T135879} Moving this one to Prod... [21:45:44] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow: Better transactionality for Flow undeletion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135883#2314090 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) [21:49:27] etonkovidova, could you hold off on or pause QA-ing the deletion/undeletion/moving stuff? I'm going to change some more stuff in that area. [21:49:44] T135883 [21:49:44] T135883: Better transactionality for Flow undeletion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135883 [21:49:53] matt_flaschen: yes -thanks for letting me know [21:50:23] Thanks [21:51:44] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow: Better transactionality for Flow undeletion - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135883#2314107 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) [21:51:46] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 10Flow, 13Patch-For-Review: Improve Flow deletion/undeletion resilience - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T122262#2314106 (10Mattflaschen-WMF) [22:00:23] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: NewTopicWidget: Show page title with spaces, not underscores. [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/289783 (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [23:31:42] 03Collab-Team-2016-Apr-Jun-Q4, 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Notifications, 07Easy: Echo notification emails are sanitized strangely - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T68630#2314424 (10Etonkovidova) Checked in betalabs with the original text. Echo notification and email look OK to me. @SBisson ca...