[00:02:31] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 10Notifications, 13Patch-For-Review: Invite French users to take the Notification Survey (using the Notifications panel) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131893#2205579 (10Mattflaschen) Now deployed [00:14:10] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Notifications, 10ArchCom-RfC, 10MediaWiki-Watchlist: RfC: Need to merge Notifications and Watchlist or lack thereof - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128352#2071445 (10GWicke) I like the general idea of unifying event representations and -listings. A similar approach m... [00:16:17] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: User don't receive email notifications concerning their Flow talk page when "Talk page message" is on, but "Flow" is off - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132426#2205607 (10Mattflaschen) >>! In T132426#2205572, @jmatazzoni wrote: > - Making the Talk Page pref apply... [04:58:20] (03PS1) 10Glaisher: ext.thanks.revthank: Prevent double clicks while API request is in progress [extensions/Thanks] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/283375 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53303) [08:01:35] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow, 13Patch-For-Review: FlowReplies is not firing in production - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96620#2206127 (10Pginer-WMF) Thanks for pointing to those tasks @Mattflaschen. I guess my concern is that these propose to move in very different... [11:16:28] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 06Editing-Analysis, 13Patch-For-Review: Notification dashboards miscount time-to-read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131206#2206395 (10mforns) @Catrope > Are you sure it's not https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-limn-ee-data ? That one is in Gerrit... Yes, this one holds th... [13:46:09] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016), 07Surveys: Work on a satisfaction survey concerning Flow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125632#2206808 (10Trizek-WMF) [13:49:22] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016), 07Surveys: Work on a satisfaction survey concerning Flow - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125632#2206835 (10Trizek-WMF) [[ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Collaboration/Flow_satisfactio... [14:03:38] 10Notifications, 10The-Wikipedia-Library: Notify editors that they are now eligible for the Wikipedia Library program - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132084#2206879 (10Sadads) @Quiddity We are happy with the current status of this. Let us know when/if this can be worked on. [14:22:38] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Enable GuidedTour extension on sq.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132412#2206944 (10Dereckson) a:03Dereckson [14:23:03] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Enable GuidedTour extension on sq.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132412#2197508 (10Dereckson) 05stalled>03Open [14:55:45] 10Flow, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown: Enable beta function for Flow on user pages at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132693#2207075 (10MarcoAurelio) [14:59:01] 10Flow, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown: Enable beta function for Flow on user pages at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132693#2207083 (10jeblad) [15:06:04] 10Flow, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown: Enable beta function for Flow on user pages at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132693#2207100 (10MarcoAurelio) >>! In T132693#2207035, @jeblad wrote: > The late-comer want `Tråd` as name of the namespace and `.../arkiv/1`as the archive pattern. I don't mind o... [15:07:22] 10Flow, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Enable beta function for Flow on user pages at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132693#2207101 (10MarcoAurelio) 05Open>03stalled [15:12:19] (03PS15) 10Sbisson: [WIP] Moderate notifications [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/275049 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93673) [15:16:48] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Moderate notifications [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/275049 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93673) (owner: 10Sbisson) [15:39:03] (03PS16) 10Sbisson: [WIP] Moderate notifications [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/275049 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93673) [15:44:40] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Moderate notifications [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/275049 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93673) (owner: 10Sbisson) [16:07:12] (03CR) 10Matthias Mullie: [C: 032] Remove revision range [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/283328 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89398) (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [16:11:22] 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 10Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016): Enable beta function for Flow on user pages at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132693#2207345 (10Trizek-WMF) [16:16:09] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Remove revision range [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/283328 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89398) (owner: 10Mattflaschen) [16:40:42] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 13Patch-For-Review: Enable GuidedTour extension on sq.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132412#2207410 (10Dereckson) 05Open>03Resolved [16:56:27] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: User don't receive email notifications concerning their Flow talk page when "Talk page message" is on, but "Flow" is off - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132426#2207477 (10Trizek-WMF) (Forgot to submit my morning comment) >>! In T132426#2205572, @jmatazzoni wrote: >... [17:27:58] I'll be leaving early today, 4-5ish Pacific. Going to Philly Dev Night. [17:42:22] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: User don't receive email notifications concerning their Flow talk page when "Talk page message" is on, but "Flow" is off - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132426#2207691 (10jmatazzoni) > To be sure I understand, I take an example: what is happening when a user who ha... [18:11:51] (03PS17) 10Sbisson: [WIP] Moderate notifications [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/275049 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T93673) [18:31:49] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 06Editing-Analysis, 13Patch-For-Review: Notification dashboards miscount time-to-read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131206#2207844 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) @mforns, I just created [a pull request](https://github.com/wikimedia/limn-editor-engagement-data/pull/7) to change the dashbo... [18:34:27] 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 10Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016): Enable beta function for Flow on user pages at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132693#2207009 (10Mattflaschen) >>! In T132693#2207100, @MarcoAurelio wrote: > I'm not sure we can change... [18:36:04] 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 10Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016): Enable beta function for Flow on user pages at nowiki, plus page about Flow and test page (and related configuration) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132693#2207850 (10Mattflaschen) [18:41:44] 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 10Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016): Enable beta function for Flow on user pages at nowiki, plus page about Flow and test page (and related configuration) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132693#2207866 (10Mattflaschen) >>! In T13... [19:00:08] 10Flow: Page name magic word behavior is not helpful in Flow discussions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132712#2207912 (10Tgr) [19:05:23] 10Notifications, 10The-Wikipedia-Library: Quarry the number editors effect per month by 500 edits and 6 months notification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132088#2207962 (10Capt_Swing) Sure, @egalvezwmf. Your version likely works, but it takes a long time because it's counting a lot of lines in a VERY la... [19:07:45] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: When a page is manually converted to use Flow, the page-tabs turns blue immediately even if the page is empty - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117828#2207972 (10Mattflaschen) [19:10:08] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Flow's usage of the magic word {{BASEPAGENAME}} - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109373#2207976 (10Mattflaschen) [19:10:21] 10Flow: Page name magic word behavior is not helpful in Flow discussions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132712#2207912 (10Mattflaschen) This is deliberate ({T75409)}). Flow topics are actual pages, both technically and from a user point of view (e.g. they can be categorized by editing the summary). The <... [19:10:41] 10Flow: Page name magic word behavior is not helpful in Flow discussions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132712#2207982 (10Mattflaschen) [19:10:43] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Flow's usage of the magic word {{BASEPAGENAME}} - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109373#1547394 (10Mattflaschen) [19:12:00] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 06Editing-Analysis, 13Patch-For-Review: Notification dashboards miscount time-to-read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131206#2207990 (10mforns) @Neil_P._Quinn_WMF Yes, I can delete the files. Please, let me know when the switchover is done. [19:15:51] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 06Editing-Analysis, 13Patch-For-Review: Notification dashboards miscount time-to-read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131206#2208010 (10mforns) @Neil_P._Quinn_WMF BTW, the pull request looks good to me! I can not merge it, but if you can, please go ahead. [19:19:22] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 06Editing-Analysis, 13Patch-For-Review: Notification dashboards miscount time-to-read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131206#2208028 (10mforns) @Neil_P._Quinn_WMF And one more comment :P This change T132463 has recently moved datasets.wikimedia.org to https only. So if you want t... [19:23:20] 06Collaboration-Team-Interested, 10Flow: Flow's usage of the magic word {{BASEPAGENAME}} - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109373#2208042 (10Tgr) A new magic word makes life complicated for cross-wiki messaging, unless the magic word has a sane default in MediaWiki core, since Flow is not enabled on all wik... [19:26:51] (03PS10) 10Sbisson: [wip^n] Refactoring Echo's front end for MVC [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/282677 (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [19:28:17] (03CR) 10Sbisson: "PS10 is a manual rebase" [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/282677 (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [19:33:12] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [wip^n] Refactoring Echo's front end for MVC [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/282677 (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [19:39:35] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: [betalabs-Regression] 'Mark as resolve' is affected by VE errors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132646#2208064 (10Etonkovidova) 05Open>03Resolved [19:39:58] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: [betalabs-Regression] 'Mark as resolve' is affected by VE errors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132646#2205498 (10Etonkovidova) Resolved - seems to be a temporary issue. [19:46:55] (03CR) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: [C: 031] "haven't tested, yet." [extensions/Thanks] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/283375 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53303) (owner: 10Glaisher) [19:52:40] (03CR) 10Florianschmidtwelzow: [C: 032] "tested, works, thanks for the change! :)" [extensions/Thanks] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/283375 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53303) (owner: 10Glaisher) [20:08:16] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: ext.thanks.revthank: Prevent double clicks while API request is in progress [extensions/Thanks] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/283375 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T53303) (owner: 10Glaisher) [20:15:43] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter by read status on the Notification Page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129364#2208225 (10jmatazzoni) At one point Roan mentioned that getting Unread msgs from foreign wikis is hard. So I have some questions about Unread msgs from foreign wikis:... [20:41:03] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 06Editing-Analysis, 13Patch-For-Review: Notification dashboards miscount time-to-read - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131206#2208314 (10Neil_P._Quinn_WMF) @mforns, I added another pull request for that. It looks like Dan has merged both. [The dashboard](http://ee-dashboard.wmfla... [20:46:22] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter by read status on the Notification Page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129364#2103509 (10Mattflaschen) I thought he said that showing Read messages from all foreign wikis would be hard. We know (by querying a single table) exactly which wikis th... [20:52:01] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter Notifications Page by Watched Pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132723#2208347 (10jmatazzoni) [20:52:54] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter Notifications Page by Watched Pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132723#2208362 (10jmatazzoni) (Note that an early version of the Special Page design called for all the relevant watched pages to be surfaced in the left nav under their respectiv... [21:37:15] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter Notifications Page by User Talk pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132728#2208508 (10jmatazzoni) [21:39:47] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter Notifications Page by Watched Pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132723#2208534 (10jmatazzoni) [22:05:45] matt_flaschen: still onlne? I am thinking about https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T127288 -- "Users and 99+ others have done something" [22:06:04] matt_flaschen: hmm... do we really have notifications like that? [22:07:16] matt_flaschen: as far as I could see - the bundling uses different phrasing [22:08:17] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Overview of cross-wiki activity per page on the Notification Page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129366#2208574 (10jmatazzoni) NOTE: a proposal has been made to simplify this feature by not listing in the left nav the individual pages within each wiki f... [22:13:11] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter by read status on the Notification Page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129364#2208575 (10jmatazzoni) > I thought he said that showing Read messages from all foreign wikis would be hard. Ach. Yes, I meant Read. I'm going to correct my previous m... [22:16:12] etonkovidova, yeah, I'm here. [22:17:09] matt_flaschen: the point is that I do not see "Users and 99+ others have done something" is being used in our current notification phrasing [22:18:53] etonkovidova, I think "John and 99+ others left a message on your talk page" is still valid for email. But there are several examples. [22:19:18] E.g. 99+ new messages on your talk page (non-Flow user talk). [22:20:00] There are several affected messages. See https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/276096/15 and https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#q,Ibfa56b1af9e8c56b4c5f900e0d487bc09688b2a2,n,z . [22:20:43] matt_flaschen: but not "Users and 99+ other left messages" [22:21:45] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter by read status on the Notification Page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129364#2208599 (10jmatazzoni) [I when I first posted the comment below, I very confusingly said "Unread" when I meant to say "Read." Here is the corrected comment.] At one po... [22:22:09] matt_flaschen: "two new replies on your talk page" or "2 new messages on your talk page" [22:23:25] matt_flaschen: 'sent you email' does not get bundled or, maybe, it gets bundled only after 5 emails sent ? hmm [22:27:25] etonkovidova, yeah, for the exact affected messages, you can check the change. It would be "2". Only "one" is special-cased (one rather than 1). [22:27:49] etonkovidova, if you can't get an example to work, let me know and I will figure out exact reproduction steps for you. [22:28:55] etonkovidova, you're correct, 'emailuser' is not bundled. [22:30:03] matt_flaschen: those "99 new messages/replies on your talk pages" works fine - I was a little surprised that I cannot see, for example, something like 'Ludmla and 2 other left messages' [22:34:05] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter Notifications Page by Watched Pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132723#2208648 (10jmatazzoni) NOTE: There are questions (see T129366) about how X-wiki messages that are Read will be handled. How we answer those questions may impact the funct... [22:36:00] etonkovidova, yeah, it's a little inconsistent. Some are number of people doing the action, some are number of links/messages/etc. [23:02:12] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 10Notifications: Scrolling on the Echo survey's popup/tooltip - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132384#2208687 (10Mattflaschen) I also hit a weird sub-bug: The .mw-echo-ui-mixin-hover-opacity() (which should only affect the icon's opacity on hover/non-hover) affects how the attached... [23:10:33] 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4, 10Notifications: Scrolling on the Echo survey's popup/tooltip - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132384#2208705 (10Mattflaschen) Assuming that's resolved (we could just drop the on-hover opacity change if that's acceptable), possible solutions: 1. Make the footer area bigger (probably... [23:37:00] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Filter Notifications Page by User Talk pages - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132728#2208798 (10jmatazzoni) NOTE: There are questions (see T129364) about how X-wiki messages that are Read will be handled. How we answer those questions may impact the funct... [23:38:32] Have a good night, everyone. [23:38:44] o/ matt [23:55:35] 10Collab-Notifications-Page, 03Collab-Team-2016-Q4: Pagination for the Notification Page - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129363#2208815 (10jmatazzoni) [23:59:54] 10Notifications, 10The-Wikipedia-Library: Quarry the number editors effect per month by 500 edits and 6 months notification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T132088#2208819 (10Quiddity) @Capt_Swing ah, that's not quite what we're after. (it seems to be a count of the total number of editors, for all time, w...