[00:03:01] (03PS1) 10Mooeypoo: Add footer notice widget for invitations for feedback [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278208 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128937) [00:03:18] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Add footer notice widget for invitations for feedback [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278208 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128937) (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [00:07:10] (03PS2) 10Mooeypoo: Add footer notice widget for invitations for feedback [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278208 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128937) [00:11:46] ok, I'm off for home. See you guys tomorrow! [00:14:38] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Add footer notice widget for invitations for feedback [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278208 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128937) (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [00:28:39] Phabricator has a blog module?! [00:29:47] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 04-1] Add footer notice widget for invitations for feedback (0310 comments) [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278208 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128937) (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [00:32:50] (03CR) 10Catrope: Add footer notice widget for invitations for feedback (032 comments) [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278208 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128937) (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [00:33:34] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Call Flow API with DerivativeRequest for server actions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T74659#2133067 (10Mattflaschen) 5Open>3declined [00:36:44] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Flow 503 errors from HHVM trying to visit Flow board with special characters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85474#2133083 (10Mattflaschen) 5Open>3Resolved a:3ori [00:36:54] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Flow 503 errors from HHVM trying to visit Flow board with special characters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85474#947700 (10Mattflaschen) Probably fixed by {7c244e7c340012daa4c2fd09f9cc07b63212b467}. [00:38:41] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Flow topic watch stars are different from page watch stars, on the same skin - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78256#2133089 (10Mattflaschen) p:5Normal>3Low They're still different on Vector, but less obviously since they're both blue. [00:42:07] quiddity, do you know any other bugs similar to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128855 ? Raw HTML. Would like to test more than one scenario and dup them together. [01:06:41] matt_flaschen, this is the only one I can recall atm https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121137 [01:18:44] Thanks, quiddity [01:18:56] It carefully avoids using the words HTML or markup. :) [01:19:15] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10Flow: Unformatted html within message about ip-block (for TOR users) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128855#2133142 (10Mattflaschen) [01:19:17] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10Flow: [betalabs] Blocked user creating a new topic gets malformed error message - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121137#2133143 (10Mattflaschen) [01:19:33] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10Flow: [betalabs] Blocked user creating a new topic gets malformed error message - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121137#1870479 (10Mattflaschen) a:3Mattflaschen [01:20:56] yup. I only found it via searching my recent File uploads. It was resisting all my search attempts. keywords! false promises. [02:34:57] Have a good night, all. [02:38:16] you too :) [04:42:00] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Revert "Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net." [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278236 [04:42:27] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Revert "Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net." [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278236 (owner: 10Catrope) [04:51:22] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Revert "Localisation updates from https://translatewiki.net." [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278236 (owner: 10Catrope) [04:54:27] (03PS4) 10Catrope: Use strong and em instead of wiki markup bold and italics [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/274660 (owner: 10Siebrand) [04:54:47] (03CR) 10Catrope: [C: 032] Use strong and em instead of wiki markup bold and italics [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/274660 (owner: 10Siebrand) [05:03:30] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use strong and em instead of wiki markup bold and italics [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/274660 (owner: 10Siebrand) [07:05:48] (03CR) 10Jcrespo: "I agree with Catrope's assessment. One way to avoid that would be to do something like:" [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/277242 (owner: 10Matthias Mullie) [08:09:53] (03CR) 10Aaron Schulz: "FYI, there is a convenience DB method selectRowCount()" [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/277242 (owner: 10Matthias Mullie) [09:55:20] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 6Commons, 10Notifications: Message notifications hanging in Chrome - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129942#2133459 (10Esanders) 5Open>3Invalid User scripts are not officially supported code so you'd have to speak to the author. That user script appears to be throwing erro... [09:58:37] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 6Commons, 10Notifications: Message notifications hanging in Chrome - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129942#2133464 (10Esanders) I note the version on the English Wikipedia is better supported and set up as a gadget. Perhaps someone there can help get it working on Commons. [10:28:44] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10Notifications, 13Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2016-03-22_(1.27.0-wmf.18): Give a way for users to opt-out Cross-wiki Notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129077#2133500 (10Trizek-WMF) Documentation [[ https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help%3ANotificat... [10:48:44] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Enable Flow on kkwiki on General discussion page Уикипедия:Талқылау легі - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130355#2133579 (10Arystanbek) [10:51:04] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Enable Flow on kkwiki on General discussion page Уикипедия:Талқылау легі - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130355#2133594 (10Arystanbek) [10:58:21] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Enable Flow on kkwiki on General discussion page Уикипедия:Талқылау легі on kk.wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130355#2133604 (10Aklapper) [11:21:22] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications: Rename "Collapse all" to just "Collapse" for cross-notification bundles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130358#2133655 (10Pginer-WMF) [11:21:52] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications, 7Easy: Rename "Collapse all" to just "Collapse" for cross-notification bundles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130358#2133655 (10Pginer-WMF) [11:21:54] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Enable Flow on Kazakh Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130355#2133671 (10Arystanbek) [12:39:25] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications, 7Persona-Active-Editor: Adjust notification badge prominence for cross-wiki notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130363#2133785 (10Pginer-WMF) [12:40:20] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications, 7Persona-Active-Editor: Adjust notification badge prominence for cross-wiki notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130363#2133785 (10Pginer-WMF) [12:41:26] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications, 7Persona-Active-Editor: Adjust notification badge prominence for cross-wiki notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130363#2133804 (10Pginer-WMF) [12:48:11] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications, 7Persona-Active-Editor: Adjust notification badge prominence for cross-wiki notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130363#2133807 (10Pginer-WMF) [12:55:44] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications, 7Persona-Active-Editor: Adjust notification badge prominence for cross-wiki notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130363#2133814 (10Pginer-WMF) [13:06:33] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10Notifications, 13Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2016-03-22_(1.27.0-wmf.18): Give a way for users to opt-out Cross-wiki Notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129077#2133820 (10Pginer-WMF) Just to confirm. I'm assuming the preference checkbox and the beta-feature ch... [13:07:05] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications, 7Persona-Active-Editor: Adjust notification badge prominence for cross-wiki notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130363#2133834 (10Pginer-WMF) [13:07:11] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications, 7Epic, 7WorkType-NewFunctionality, 7user-notice: Notifications Panel: Support cross-wiki notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114350#2133833 (10Pginer-WMF) [13:13:04] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Wikimedia-Site-Requests, 13Patch-For-Review: Please set up the Flow extension on the Konkani Wikipedia (gom) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128359#2133838 (10The_Discoverer) No problem, Catroupe. Try pinging me if you wan... [13:45:10] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10Notifications, 13Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2016-03-22_(1.27.0-wmf.18): Give a way for users to opt-out Cross-wiki Notifications - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129077#2133898 (10Trizek-WMF) That's what I've understood, Pau. [13:48:38] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow: Enable Flow on Kazakh Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130355#2133909 (10Trizek-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Trizek-WMF Enabled on Уикипедия:Талқылау_легі [13:55:22] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Notifications, 7Documentation, 3Liaisons-March-2016: Update Notifications documentation: mark as unread - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129907#2133933 (10Trizek-WMF) 5Open>3Resolved [14:56:58] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10Flow: [betalabs] Blocked user creating a new topic gets malformed error message - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T121137#2134069 (10Mattflaschen) [15:35:31] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10Notifications, 13Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2016-03-22_(1.27.0-wmf.18): Action and timestamp position needs adjustment - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125969#2134132 (10Pginer-WMF) >>! In T125969#2126353, @jmatazzoni wrote: > @Pginer-WMF , I can't tell from this discu... [15:39:34] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Notifications: Have a Community Notification Board - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129103#2134145 (10Trizek-WMF) [16:02:02] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Change bundle collapse label from "Collapse all" to "Collapse" [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278294 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130358) [16:02:52] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10Notifications, 7Easy, 13Patch-For-Review: Rename "Collapse all" to just "Collapse" for cross-notification bundles - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130358#2134193 (10Catrope) [16:10:53] (03PS2) 10Catrope: Change bundle collapse label from "Collapse all" to "Collapse" [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278294 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130358) [16:17:32] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Wikimedia-Site-Requests, 13Patch-For-Review: Please set up the Flow extension on the Konkani Wikipedia (gom) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128359#2134263 (10Catrope) @The_Discoverer I'm on line now, and will be until at l... [16:19:33] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10DBA: Replicate Echo tables to analytics-store - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T115275#2134266 (10Ottomata) [16:23:43] Hello RoanKattow [16:24:20] Hello @RoanKattow [16:25:17] Hey The_Discoverer [16:25:38] How are you [16:25:39] Tip: most IRC clients allow you to tab-complete nicknames, e.g. Roan[TAB] will become RoanKattouw [16:26:06] Cool.. I've only ever used IRC for wikimedia purposes [16:26:30] Just pointing that out because if you misspell someone's nick, it doesn't notify them [16:26:57] Ok [16:27:01] Anyway -- so I think we should start with archiving inactive talk pages [16:27:14] Yes, let's [16:28:05] You said we can archive basically everything except विकिपीडिया:समाजाचे_मुखेल_पान right? [16:28:08] Is there an automated way to archive all? Like a script? [16:28:19] More or less [16:28:40] There's a script that lets me feed it a list of moves, like Talk:Foo -> Talk:Foo/Archive [16:29:25] So I'll have to do a bit of manual work to make that list but then I can use the script to move them all [16:29:37] We can archive that page too, only it would be nice to have the latest discussions available on a live page instead of an archived page [16:30:07] Right, yes [16:31:32] Btw, I checked flow pages with both gom-latn and gom-deva, and they are displaying properly [16:31:48] Nice [16:31:57] the most important messages in Flow are translated in both script [16:32:11] by that I mean the most commonly encountered messages [16:32:16] So what suffix should I use? In English, I would move Talk:Foo to Talk:Foo/Archive, but what would "Archive" be in Konkani? [16:35:39] I'm not sure.. tried asking around quickly, but I'm not sure about what word to use.. how about using the word 'Archive' [16:36:32] We can do that [16:36:48] I looked through Special:Allpages for the Talk and User talk namespaces and it doesn't look like anything has ever been archived [16:36:53] I see no subpages anywhere [16:36:58] yes you're right [16:37:18] youre about to create the first archive in the history of gomwiki :) [16:37:37] we are fairly young, to our credit [16:37:53] haha [16:37:56] When was gomwiki created? [16:38:37] infact the decision to implement Flow originated in a discussion about implementing an autoarchiving system because विकिपीडिया:समाजाचे_मुखेल_पान was getting too long :) [16:38:44] Jun 2015 [16:38:51] Aha OK [16:38:53] More or less [16:39:17] So, I've decided I'll use the existing archiving system, which will do a few other useful things beyond just moving pages [16:39:19] It uses two messages [16:39:45] https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%80:Flow-conversion-archive-page-name-format for deciding what the name of the archive page is [16:40:57] https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%80:Flow-optin-archive-wikitext for the edit summary when it moves pages [16:41:22] But most importantly, https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%80:Flow-importer-wt-converted-archive-template for the name of the template to put on each archived page [16:41:32] (Sorry that's three :) ) [16:41:58] Ooooh but https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%AA:Archive_for_converted_wikitext_talk_page exists [16:41:59] So we're fine [16:42:07] Never mind :) [16:42:46] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: build: Bump npm devDependencies to latest [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278301 [16:42:58] Ok so we need to translate those eventually [16:43:32] in TranslateWiki, I guess [16:44:16] Yeah, but for now it doesn't matter [16:44:22] RoanKattouw: ^ pulls in your banana fix. :-) [16:45:03] If you're happy with page names like उपेगकर्तो चर्चा:The Discoverer/Archive (where "Archive" is in English), and edit summaries for what we do today in English, then you can translate the contents of [16:45:03] https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%AA:Archive_for_converted_wikitext_talk_page at any later time [16:45:21] ok [16:45:24] Alright [16:45:36] Then I'll start by trying to convert your user talk page first, if that's OK [16:45:48] And if that goes well, do the rest in bulk [16:46:10] Sure [16:48:41] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: build: Bump npm devDependencies to latest [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278307 [16:49:04] OK, looks like that mostly worked [16:49:08] But some templates are missing [16:50:48] The_Discoverer: Ha! [[Template:Welcome]] tries to use [[Template:Archive list]], which is missing. And nobody ever noticed because I've just created the first-ever archive :D [16:51:11] That's what's causing the red links on your user talk page [16:51:22] Also the welcome template doesn't handle being squished like that very well :/ [16:51:39] Anyway, it looks like this is working well, there's just one problem I have to fix [16:51:58] Yes it seems to be ok [16:52:14] except for that welcome box in the page description [16:52:29] The code I'm reusing for this tries to send a notification to the user who owns the talk page [16:52:48] Which is OK-ish for converting user talk pages, except that it'll spam every single user on gomwiki with a notification [16:52:52] Yes I received that notification [16:53:19] But for other talk pages, it'll explode because there's no user [16:53:34] So I'm going to change that to add an option not to send a notification [16:53:56] RoanKattouw: What better way to drag users back into a wiki? :-) [16:54:06] maybe notifying everyone is not such a bad idea.. exploding computers would be a bad idea though :D [16:55:13] hold on with that notification [16:56:07] Well, it would notify everybody who has a user talk page on gomwiki, which is a ton of people [16:56:24] And thanks to cross-wiki notifications (which my team just built), they will see it even if they don't visit gomwiki :) [16:56:53] I have never received a crooss-wiki notification [16:57:36] It's a beta feature for now [16:58:03] If you go to https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures and enable "Enhanced notifications", you can see notifications from other wikis [16:58:03] I would suggest we let users receive the notification, but can I give you some Konkani text to use for the notification that is a little more descriptive? [16:58:44] I shall enable that, it sure beats checking a host of watchlists :) [16:59:03] Unfortunately watchlist stuff isn't in there :( [16:59:08] Maybe it will be in the future [16:59:33] ok [17:04:28] The following is the Konknni translation of: 'In place of your old talk page, is a new 'Flow' page, where you can discuss like you do on Facebook and Twitter': [17:05:33] legoktm, ping meeting [17:05:36] legoktm, ping for standup. [17:06:07] Tujem pornnem chorchecho panachea zagear, ata ek 'Flow' pan asa, hacher tujean Facebook ani Twittera bhaxen bhasabhas korunk zata.
तुजें पर्णें चर्चेचो पानाच्या जागयार, आता एक 'Flow' पान आसा, हाचेर तुज्यान Facebook आनी Twitter-a भाशेन भासाभास करुंक जात�� [17:06:22] You could use it in the user notification [17:06:29] Hmm, yeah, maybe [17:06:36] The problem is, there are hundreds of user talk pages [17:06:55] Mostly belonging to people who probably don't speak Konkani [17:07:05] But... let's see [17:07:32] you decide [17:07:52] perhaps you can append it to the current English message [17:08:03] There is an existing English message which I can translate [17:08:17] So that the user sees the Konkani message if their language is set to Konkani [17:08:31] possibly the problem is that the new message bot kept creating unnecessary talk pages [17:09:24] Yeah :S [17:09:34] do you think its a good idea to have that welcome template on all the new 'Flow' user pages [17:09:36] I might be able to filter those out [17:09:36] ? [17:10:07] or would it better to shut it down [17:10:40] suppose you just delete user pages that have just the template on them and no discussion [17:10:45] instead of archiving them [17:10:52] Hmm yeah I could do that [17:11:02] Then we wouldn't have the notification problem either [17:11:20] I think that squished template is pretty unslightly [17:11:28] *unsightly [17:11:28] Yeah :( [17:12:00] I found it unsightly even when it was unsquished :D [17:14:30] Possibly my suggestion to get rid of it is influenced by the fact that I was never a big fan of it. But it is good to post a welcome and links to important policies to new users. [17:15:08] Would it be possible for you to modify the new user welcome so that it posts a Flow topic instead of posting in the page description? [17:17:20] (03CR) 10Mooeypoo: [C: 032] "That is all." [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278294 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130358) (owner: 10Catrope) [17:18:11] mooeypoo: Oh come on, did you see the branch name? [17:21:04] The_Discoverer: Hmm, that would be nice but I think that'd be a bit hard [17:21:17] However, the welcome template isn't subst-ed, thankfully [17:21:37] Yes it isn't [17:21:43] So you can edit https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%82%E0%A4%AA:Welcome and that'll change how the welcome box looks everywhere [17:22:14] it's protected and I'm not an admin.. yet [17:22:51] Getting lunch [17:23:12] are you a steward/sysop so that you can unprotect it? [17:24:52] Oh, didn't realize you weren't a sysop [17:25:00] I have all sorts of global powers, I can probably unprotect it, lemme see [17:25:15] RoanKattouw: +sysadmin doesn't. [17:25:24] James_F: I can unprotect it though [17:25:33] Hmm. I can't… [17:25:40] With my WMF account [17:25:41] No idea why [17:26:04] Haha.. gomwiki is super protected [17:26:09] global interface editor [17:26:14] The_Discoverer: Done [17:26:22] It's got protect rights but +sysadmin doesn't. [17:26:23] * James_F sighs. [17:26:26] Hah really? [17:26:34] I should really get our rights sorted out. [17:26:45] The_Discoverer: Lemme know when you're done editing it so I can re-protect it [17:26:55] In the mean time, I guess I should ask a Steward for +editinterface. ;-) [17:27:20] How do you want me to modify it? [17:27:41] I didn't understand what you want me to change about it [17:27:58] make it narrow? [17:28:16] The_Discoverer: Whatever you think is best for rendering it on a Flow board [17:28:29] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Change bundle collapse label from "Collapse all" to "Collapse" [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278294 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130358) (owner: 10Catrope) [17:28:36] You mean in the description area? [17:29:20] Yeah [17:29:29] So you probably do want to make it narrow, or maybe not a table, or something [17:29:36] ok.. Can I do it later [17:29:39] ? [17:29:39] For one thing, you won't have space to put things next to each other [17:29:41] Yeah, no rush [17:29:52] Since nothing is subst-ed, you can edit it any time and it'll change how they all look [17:29:59] ok.. I'll do it and then I'll let you know [17:30:34] Meanwhile, I found that there are 857 user talk pages, but only 59 of them have more than one edit [17:30:49] So we should be safe deleting all but those 59 [17:30:54] yes [17:37:03] OK, I've found 778 pages that have 1) only one edit and 2) that edit was by New user message [17:37:07] So I'm gonna mass-delete those now [17:41:20] The_Discoverer: Mass deletion in progress https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6:RecentChanges [17:43:12] And done [17:44:22] great! [17:46:39] please can you unprotect three templates for me for a few minutes? I want to correct some outdated links: [17:46:49] https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%80:Histlegend [17:46:56] https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%80:Histlegend/gom-deva [17:47:02] https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A5%80:Histlegend/gom-latn [17:47:19] we don't have an active admin at present on gomwiki [17:48:57] (03CR) 10Mooeypoo: Add footer notice widget for invitations for feedback (0310 comments) [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278208 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128937) (owner: 10Mooeypoo) [17:49:20] Oh those are MediaWiki: namespace pages, I can't unprotect those [17:49:21] RoanKattouw, re your comment about oo-ui-icon-feedback - the icon follows more the way we add icons to notifications, which are tags and not ooui icons as it is. [17:49:26] Should I still change it? [17:49:40] RoanKattouw: No problem [17:49:41] The_Discoverer: But I can edit them though, if you can post the new contents on the talk pages or somewhere [17:50:41] mooeypoo: So the main notification icon thing is its own separate issue, and I've been meaning to think about how to fix that [17:50:54] mooeypoo: But for secondary link icons we already use oo-ui-icon-*, so let's do that here too [17:51:12] RoanKattouw, yes, but it's different sizes and styles [17:51:21] style-wise and meaning-wise, it's more like the "main" notification icon [17:51:27] What's the size of the feedback icon? [17:51:32] Is it really 30x30 like main notif icons? [17:51:37] let me verify [17:51:51] also position-wise [17:52:07] of course all of those are easily fixable in using ooui, but i'm just wondering if we shouldn't be consistent [17:52:42] The_Discoverer: And here go the user talk conversions (with notifications): https://gom.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%B6%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6:RecentChanges&hidebots=0 [17:53:05] RoanKattouw: Please reply "http://stats.grok.se/gom/latest/{{FULLPAGENAMEE}}" by "tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#pages={{FULLPAGENAMEE}}&project=gom.wikipedia.org" on all 3 templates [17:53:29] *please replace [17:53:30] Aha I see [17:53:31] Will do [17:54:05] Thanks [17:54:35] RoanKattouw, yes, 30x30 which the size of the notif main icon, rather than the small secondary action ooui icons (Which are 1.5emx1.5em - about 20x20px) [17:54:47] Interesting [17:55:05] anyways, I can add it in as a ooui thing, but it *looks* like the main icons (blue like them) and sized the same, and placed the same [17:55:05] I still think we should use the icon system though [17:55:11] But... yeah [17:55:13] Also blue [17:55:14] Ok, I can do that [17:55:15] yeah [17:55:17] OK let's leave it for now then [17:55:19] as an [17:55:39] only question -- am I doing it right with the mw.config.get( 'wgExtensionAssetsPath' ) + '/Echo/modules/icons/feedback.svg' [17:55:40] ? [17:55:44] It felt wrong [17:56:08] RoanKattouw: some of those 59 are just double transclusions: https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%89%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%97%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8B_%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE:Stewi101015/Archive_1 [17:56:49] The_Discoverer: Oh :/ oh well, my main goal was to get that insane 800+ number down to something manageable [17:56:59] mooeypoo: That's right [17:57:17] RoanKattouw: :) [17:57:20] mooeypoo: You can of course also use your own background-image rule [17:57:51] Using MW core's .background-image-svg() mixin [17:58:11] Although then you have to make the fallback PNG yourself, never mind [17:58:48] The_Discoverer: OK the histlegend thing is done [17:59:24] And all the user talk conversions are too [17:59:33] Now for the talk page conversions, those will be fun [17:59:57] RoanKattouw, aye, I was just going by the *current* covention in the thing [18:00:20] but there's no *real* reason for me to do that other than to be consistent ... I can set it up as a ooui-style rule and have it be an iconWidget or something [18:01:00] mooeypoo: If feasible I'd prefer that [18:01:14] RoanKattouw, I think feasible, I'm just concerned about the png point you just makde [18:01:16] made* [18:01:29] That'll be handled for us once the icon is upstreamed into OOUI [18:01:45] Re upstreaming, it'd be upstreamed as monochrome so we'd have to make it a progressive IconWidget I think [18:01:48] Thanks RoanKattouw .. I checked the histlegend links are working fine. [18:01:49] but since it isn't yet, should I do it now or leave as-is for now? [18:01:57] I hope Pau used the same color blue :) [18:02:04] Yeah, let's leave as-is then [18:02:12] (not sure abotu that, he used the one for the rest of the icons) [18:02:22] I think it's slightly darker than the "progressive" ooui buttons [18:03:13] (03PS3) 10Mooeypoo: Add footer notice widget for invitations for feedback [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278208 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128937) [18:03:28] They're changing (have just changed?) the OOUI colors too though [18:03:40] RoanKattouw, ahha [18:03:51] (03PS4) 10Mooeypoo: Add footer notice widget for invitations for feedback [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278208 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128937) [18:04:15] RoanKattouw, btw, I added another config var for the survey URL https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/278208/4/Echo.php [18:04:17] RoanKattouw: If we want to keep a discussion page as a wiki text page, because it has a specific workflow, say for deletion discussions, etc., how can we stop it from being a Flow page? [18:04:35] RoanKattouw, not sure how to do that otherwise.... that should be fine, no? [18:05:06] The_Discoverer: I'll give you the list of what I want to convert, and you can remove things from that list [18:05:16] ok [18:05:20] The_Discoverer: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/gomwiki-moves [18:05:25] RoanKattouw, also, when you test, don't forget to set $wgEchoShowFooterNotice = true; [18:05:37] Those are all the talk pages I found, including things like Category talk but not including User talk pages (which I've already done) [18:05:52] I only went through pages in the talk namespaces, didn't check the Wikipedia namespace yet [18:06:52] But there only https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE:%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%9A%E0%A5%87_%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%96%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B2_%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A8 looks like a discussion page, and we already talked about how we have to handle that [18:06:52] one specially [18:08:23] you'll see that many talk pages are single-edit pages.. just with a template saying that that it's a talk page https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE:Abolim_Konkani_Mando [18:08:55] I see [18:09:34] We could still convert those, the template would just be put into the description and become a bit squished [18:10:43] We need to take care of this one https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE_%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE:Script_converter [18:12:47] What do you mean exactly? [18:14:46] I meant preserve it.. but then I guess that's what archiving it does [18:15:51] Ok.. as I see it, for Article talk pages and Category talk pages with just the template, safe to delete (no use of archiving a transclusion) [18:16:58] Can you edit that list I sent you and split it into two sections, delete and archive? [18:18:20] can you search for single-edit Article talk and Category talk pages to delete, like you did for user talk? [18:20:26] Sure, I'll do that in ~5 minutes [18:20:57] What's the template that they all have? [18:22:56] RoanKattouw: gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:चर्चा [18:23:01] Thanks [18:24:45] RoanKattouw: If we want to keep a discussion page as a wiki text page, because it has a specific workflow, say for deletion discussions, etc., how can we stop it from being a Flow page? [18:26:34] RoanKattouw: To frame the question differently, is it straightforward to replace a Flow page by a Wikitext page, and vice versa? [18:31:36] 3Collaboration-Team-Current, 10MediaWiki-Vagrant, 10Notifications, 13Patch-For-Review: cross-wiki notification on mediawiki-vagrant uses port 8080 for foreign wikis even when accessing the page with https on port 4430 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T126378#2134822 (10Etonkovidova) Re-checked with http... [18:33:45] The_Discoverer: Yes, you can either ask me not to convert it, or you can move the Flow page out of the way and move a wikitext page into its place [18:33:56] ok [18:35:23] no for now lets convert everything to Flow, and then if we want to, we can always change later [18:35:47] I don't know what to make of this though: https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%8F%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%95_%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%9A%E0%A4%BE:First_steps [18:36:49] it looks machine-generated.. should we keep it as a wikitext page? [18:37:02] Looks like a test page that doesn't belong in the talk namespace [18:37:06] Yeah let's keep it as wikitext [18:37:27] ok [18:37:45] Going to look at single-edit pages now [18:37:47] its in the module talk namespace [18:38:13] Yeah... I guess that's sort of appropriate then [18:39:00] You can use the konkani name for the Topic namespace if you want: विशय [18:39:33] That would be great. Namespace translations have to go through translatewiki.net though [18:39:48] Or... wait not that one [18:39:58] not anymore i think [18:40:04] I can put that in but it won't take effect until Thursday [18:40:16] no problem [18:41:24] i might be wrong, but i think that these days most namespace names enter directly through code review [18:41:42] (03PS1) 10Catrope: Add namespace translation for Konkani (gom) [extensions/Flow] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/278328 [18:42:22] :) [18:52:39] The_Discoverer: OK I've updated https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/gomwiki-moves [18:52:55] I found all talk pages with only one edit, which we could either keep as wikitext or delete, up to you [18:54:31] So let me know what you want me to do [18:55:34] Correction: the list is talk pages that have only one edit AND also use {{चर्चा}} [18:55:44] RoanKattouw: somethings not quite right with your segregation [18:56:02] most of the pages listed as more than one also seem to have just one edit [18:56:17] ah ok .. thats why [18:56:29] Yeah [18:56:33] Is there another template that I should have included? [18:56:59] Yes.. Template:Charcha [18:58:09] Aha, OK, I'll look at that one too then [19:01:15] RoanKattouw: Here's what I recommend: Only template -> Delete (no use preserving a transclusion); The single module talk -> Keep as wikitext; All others -> Convert to Flow [19:01:44] OK, sounds good [19:01:49] I've updated the list to account for {{Charcha}} [19:05:33] yes.. but i would like to point out that the {{Charcha}} pages are still listed under convert as well [19:05:52] Oh, crap, yes sorry [19:06:38] "The WiFi Service is intended for email, instant messaging, browsing the internet and using apps." [19:06:41] ssh is an app, right? [19:07:30] What the ... OK I don't know how that happened [19:07:41] I'll do the mass deletions and then regenerate the list, that'll take care of it :) [19:10:06] The_Discoverer: Mass deletions done [19:13:01] OK that gives me a pretty short list of things to convert [19:14:57] matt_flaschen: hangout and netflix are apps [19:15:38] RoanKattouw: good job! [19:15:46] the list is very accurate [19:16:59] matt_flaschen: Yesterday I wanted to listen in on a meeting on BlueJeans, but the airplane wifi blocks BlueJeans [19:17:10] So I used Hangouts Dialer to call into the BlueJeans phone bridge thing [19:17:26] (03PS14) 10Sbisson: [WIP] Stop counting notifications objects on the client [extensions/Echo] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/277609 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129726) [19:17:48] RoanKattouw: please delete gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/चर्चा:सदस्य:Shantakamat because someone tried to create a user talk page in the article talk namespace [19:18:15] So my traffic was going from my laptop to the airplane's wifi AP, then to a cellphone tower on the ground, then over the internet to Google, then over the phone network to BlueJeans, then back onto the internet to the office [19:18:36] In other words I used an internet-to-phone bridge to connect to a phone-to-internet bridge [19:18:44] latency must be fun [19:18:55] Haha thankfully I didn't have to speak, I'm sure the lag would have been epic [19:19:19] But just listening, the quality of the audio was pretty good, and there weren't many interruptions [19:19:49] RoanKattouw: Please remove the Dn/ from चर्चा:Dn/गोंय while you convert [19:20:03] stephanebisson, I know what they mean by apps, it's just funny for the Wikimania WiFi terms of service. :) [19:20:20] and similarly the Kd/ from चर्चा:Kd/ಕುಮಾರ್ ಪರ್ವತ್ [19:20:26] RoanKattouw, LOL at the BlueJeans hack. [19:21:12] The_Discoverer: Done [19:21:29] RoanKattouw: these were earlier used to segregate the articles in the different scripts but now they arent used anymore.. the corresponding main pages don't have them [19:22:00] Yeah, I see the articles were moved already [19:22:27] Here go the conversions now [19:22:44] RoanKattouw: please delete gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/चर्चा:सदस्य:Shantakamat because someone tried to create a user talk page in the article talk namespace [19:23:00] Oh, right, I forgot [19:23:05] I'll clean it up after the conversion finishes [19:23:11] Oh look it's done already [19:24:08] OK and cleanup done too [19:24:26] Now I'll just do https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/विकिपीडिया:समाजाचे_मुखेल_पान [19:25:02] The_Discoverer: I can convert that page to Flow, but if you want stuff to be copy-pasted across you'll have to do that yourself, is that OK? [19:25:13] ok [19:25:52] so you mean that I have to copy paste the wiki source for each section to a separate Flow Topic card, right? [19:26:29] The_Discoverer: And done [19:26:42] The_Discoverer: Depends on how you want to do it, I leave that up to you [19:27:29] The other way would be to put replies to the original post in reply fields? [19:28:31] Yes, you could do that, although they'll all have your name [19:28:39] Because you can't reply as somebody else :) [19:29:08] yikes! [19:30:00] so i think it makes more sense to copy the entire section [19:30:31] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Wikimedia-Site-Requests, 13Patch-For-Review: Please set up the Flow extension on the Konkani Wikipedia (gom) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128359#2135070 (10Catrope) 5Open>3Resolved This is done now. Thanks a lot to @... [19:30:35] Yeah I think that's probably best [19:31:53] 6Collaboration-Team-Backlog, 10Flow, 10Collaboration-Community-Engagement, 10Wikimedia-Site-Requests, 13Patch-For-Review: Please set up the Flow extension on the Konkani Wikipedia (gom) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T128359#2135073 (10The_Discoverer) Thanks a lot @Catrope for your efforts! Cheers :) [19:33:07] OK, I'm gonna move back to the Boston Public Library because the wifi at this Panera Bread is slow [19:36:06] which area are you in? [19:36:28] Near the BPL :) [19:36:30] Copley Place [19:37:51] there's a bunch of BPL ;) [19:38:00] oh, the big mall [19:41:23] That building is a maze, too [19:41:59] The construction doesn't help, but even without that it's impossible to find anything [19:42:15] There's some signage but it's incomplete, and there are no maps (they really need some) [19:42:27]