[02:28:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\ApiAsk + SMW\ApiAskArgs fix bug 51091, add unit tests, and improve code coverage" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72889
[02:35:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Rename ApiSMWInfo to keep commit history" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72890
[02:38:43] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Rename ApiSMWInfo to keep commit history" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72890
[02:41:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72890
[02:47:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\ApiAsk + SMW\ApiAskArgs fix bug 51091, add unit tests, and improve code coverage" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72889
[03:09:17] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\ApiAsk + SMW\ApiAskArgs fix bug 51091, add unit tests, and improve code coverage" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72889
[03:26:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\SerializerCompositor divide responsibility [WIP]" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72891
[03:56:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\SerializerCompositor divide responsibility [WIP]" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72891
[13:35:54] <kim_bruning>	 Ok, I'm officially stuck
[13:35:59] <kim_bruning>	 I'm using subobjects
[13:36:23] <kim_bruning>	 I'd like to list some subobjects along with their pages in a table
[13:37:41] <kim_bruning>	 {{#ask [[-Has subobject::+]] |?property1 |?property2 ...}} works to show all subobjects anywhere
[13:38:38] <kim_bruning>	 what would I do to ...
[13:38:40] <kim_bruning>	 Oh,   <q>
[13:38:51] <kim_bruning>	 .... well, thanks for all the help! ;-)
[13:39:22] <kim_bruning>	 {{#ask: [[-Has subobject::<q>[[some other property::value]]</q>}}
[13:39:25] <kim_bruning>	 sort of gets that done
[13:40:11] <Saruman>	 yes, this isn't the busiest of IRC channels
[13:42:34] <kim_bruning>	 LOL yes, but sometimes just asking an empty channel helps already ;-)
[13:43:02] <Saruman>	 true dat!
[13:43:12] <Saruman>	 plus, it records the question for posterity
[13:43:51] <Saruman>	 http://ur1.ca/9gmt7
[13:48:33] <kim_bruning>	 ooh, we're logged!
[13:48:58] <Saruman>	 yes, we do all we can to assist the NSA and friends
[13:49:01] <Saruman>	 :-p
[13:52:46] <kim_bruning>	 ah... hmph
[13:52:56] <kim_bruning>	 when I use templates to do subqueries:
[13:53:17] <kim_bruning>	 apparantly it passes through things like:
[13:53:56] <kim_bruning>	 [[:mypage#subobject|mypage#subobject]]
[13:54:06] <kim_bruning>	 which If I feed it to a #ask:
[13:54:37] <kim_bruning>	 {{#ask: [[:mypage#subobject|mypage#subobject]] |?property1 |?property2}}
[13:54:44] <kim_bruning>	 it chokes on the piped part :-(
[13:55:16] <Saruman>	 clear
[13:55:30] <kim_bruning>	 [[:mypage#subobject]] seems fine, but [[:mypage#subobject|mypage#subobject]] breaks :-/
[13:55:44] <Saruman>	 I'd say: the #ask syntax is {{#ask: <condition> | <output format stuff>}}
[13:55:58] <kim_bruning>	 but TFM says this should work... or -more likely- PEBKAC and I'm missing something blazingly obvious ;-)
[13:56:01] <Saruman>	 your piped part clutters the <condition> - apparently
[13:56:05] <kim_bruning>	 yeah
[13:56:26] <kim_bruning>	 quite so
[13:56:31] <Saruman>	 The Fine Manual is not always entirely completely up to date & detail
[13:57:03] <kim_bruning>	 basically the piped part is coming out of an ask with format=template
[13:57:30] <Saruman>	 I find that strange
[13:57:46] <Saruman>	 I'd assume the piped part is added _by the template_
[13:58:19] <kim_bruning>	 {{#ask: [[-Has subobject::<q>[[some other property::value]]</q>|format=template|template=the place I put the next ask in ^^;;}}
[13:58:28] <kim_bruning>	 {{#ask: [[-Has subobject::<q>[[some other property::value]]</q>|format=template|template=the place I put the next ask in}}
[13:58:29] <Saruman>	 if not, then you might want to check if there's a query somewhere that returns a page, but without you having specified |link=none for that result
[13:59:00] <kim_bruning>	 and then its {{#ask: {{{1}}} |?property1 |?property2}} <!--KERBLOEEEY-->
[13:59:21] <Saruman>	 unfortunately I have no experience with subqueries
[13:59:31] <kim_bruning>	 :-/
[13:59:39] <kim_bruning>	 link=none sounds interesting
[13:59:39] <Saruman>	 nevertheless, {{{1}}} should be filled with a pagename, not wit a page link
[14:00:06] <Saruman>	 i.e. the query that finds a page that winds up in {{{1}}} should have |link=none in it
[14:01:19] <kim_bruning>	 And That, Ladies and Gentlemen , is absotively posolutely not in TFM
[14:01:41] <kim_bruning>	 of course, if I now go back to TFM, it'll turn out to have link=none sprinkled liberally ;-)
[14:01:55] <Saruman>	 well I'm quite sure I found that in the fine manual several years ago
[14:02:13] <Saruman>	 mebby it got buried in the mean time
[14:02:37] <Saruman>	 if you know what you're looking for, it's always easier to find it
[14:02:52] <Saruman>	 so the trick is to learn what you're actually looking for
[14:03:01] <Saruman>	 and thus, you've today succeeded, right?
[14:03:06] <kim_bruning>	 well, maybe
[14:03:08] <kim_bruning>	 let's see
[14:03:15] <kim_bruning>	 it's the google paradox
[14:03:20] <kim_bruning>	 the more you know, the more you can find
[14:03:25] <Saruman>	 yes
[14:03:25] <kim_bruning>	 if you don't know it, you can't find it
[14:03:35] <kim_bruning>	 the only time you NEED to find it, is if you don't know it :-P
[14:03:35] <Saruman>	 plus: information != knowledge
[14:03:51] <Saruman>	 plus: data != information
[14:04:01] <kim_bruning>	 :-P
[14:04:08] <kim_bruning>	 well, lemme go see if I can make this here work
[14:04:20] <Saruman>	 I dabble a bit in ICT architecture knowledge management
[14:04:44] <kim_bruning>	 it'd be nice if there was a template debugger built in to mw
[14:04:50] <kim_bruning>	 now it's subst: breadcrumbs
[14:05:24] <Saruman>	 I say MW2.0!
[14:05:35] * Saruman  runs for cover

[15:14:31] <Saruman>	 hah, it's been 5PM, time for my guitar!
[15:18:55] <kim_bruning>	 <awesome chord>
[15:22:40] <drobbins>	 hiya
[15:25:34] <drobbins>	 anyone encounter an "Invalid marker" and traceback when running the SMW update script?
[15:28:19] <drobbins>	 if anyone can offer advice on how to troubleshoot and fix invalid markers, that would be great.
[15:28:42] <drobbins>	 I do have the traceback if anyone can glean any useful info from it
[16:26:26] <kim_bruning>	 drobbins, the one time I had this it was caused by a conflict with a different extension
[16:26:50] <kim_bruning>	 drobbins, I don't know if there's a general solution
[16:37:55] <drobbins>	 SRF seems to want the class SMW\ResultPrinter, which I don't have.
[16:38:04] <drobbins>	 Am I trying to run a version of SRF that is too new for my version of SMW?
[16:38:57] <drobbins>	 I'm running a "1.8 alpha" version of SMW.
[16:39:02] <drobbins>	 should I try going to 1.8.0.5?
[16:39:28] <yaron>	 What version of SRF are you running?
[16:47:31] <drobbins>	 um
[16:47:39] <drobbins>	 right now, disabled.
[16:47:44] <drobbins>	 for the moment.
[16:47:56] <drobbins>	 I am wondering if I need to bump SMW and Validator in lock-step.
[16:48:12] <drobbins>	 I tried bumping validator and the latest version does not seem to be happy with my current version of SMW.
[16:48:27] <yaron>	 Yes, they do.
[16:48:43] <yaron>	 Or rather, yes, you do.
[16:49:02] <drobbins>	 okay. I can try that.
[16:49:16] <drobbins>	 Then I need to try to get to Special:SMWAdmin, upgrade tables, and I should be ok?
[16:49:49] <drobbins>	 I do have a full db backup and I have logged the current working versions of validator and SMW.
[16:49:55] <drobbins>	 so I can always check out the older versions.
[16:53:02] <drobbins>	 looks like semantic internal objects needs to be bumped first. I am getting class SMWSQLStore2 not found.
[16:54:33] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "New version: 2.5.3" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72978
[16:55:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/72978
[16:59:38] <drobbins>	 always a bit tricky to get all extensions playing nice together.
[17:00:31] <drobbins>	 yaron: know if I can bump SIO first? then lock-step SMW and Validator?
[17:00:46] <yaron>	 The order doesn't matter.
[17:36:01] <drobbins>	 yaron: any SQL issues that I'll run into -- a bit worried that SMWSQLStore2 disappeared
[17:36:28] <yaron>	 I don't think so...
[17:36:39] <yaron>	 It didn't appear; you're just no longer using it.
[17:36:49] <yaron>	 Disappear, rather.
[17:41:56] <Ulfr_>	 Hey all, is there any problem with SMW and mediawiki 1.22?
[17:42:32] <Ulfr_>	 Because Specail:Ask is whitescreening on me
[17:49:33] <yaron>	 Ulfr_: see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Errors_and_symptoms#You_see_a_Blank_Page
[17:50:43] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: There's bupkis in my error log from php, and setting $wgShowExceptionDetails gives me a blank white page as well. When I try to run any queries via the api or special:ask it gives a 500 error. If nothing springs to mind I'll keep puttering.
[17:51:52] <yaron>	 Did you try following the instructions in that URL I linked?
[17:52:57] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: No, doing so now. Just trying to avoid doing that because it's in production
[17:53:34] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: Fatal error: Class '\ValueValidators\RangeValidator' not found in /home/webapps/wikidoc/extensions/Validator/includes/ParamProcessor/ParamDefinitionFactory.php on line 181
[17:53:43] <yaron>	 There you go.
[18:41:00] <Ulfr_>	 JeroenDeDauw: poke.
[19:01:47] <drobbins>	 trying to figure out why SRF is just not doing anything.
[19:01:52] <drobbins>	 it is enabled, version 1.8 with my wiki.
[19:01:57] <drobbins>	 let me make sure it is being enabled.
[19:02:30] <drobbins>	 yep. enabled.
[19:02:38] <drobbins>	 but I'm not getting any results.
[19:03:26] <drobbins>	 I think it may be working now.
[19:03:45] <drobbins>	 well, it's semi-working
[19:03:54] <drobbins>	 see top of http://wiki.zenoss.org/Spamtest
[19:04:28] <drobbins>	 possibly because my request was too long
[19:04:55] <drobbins>	 working :)
[19:05:08] <drobbins>	 well, there is still a warning that appears on the page (little ! triangle)
[19:11:57] <Saruman>	 drobbins: there's a syntax error in there
[19:12:00] <Saruman>	 can't have [[Complexity::]]
[19:12:11] <drobbins>	 oh
[19:12:14] <Saruman>	 must be something like [[Complexity::<value>]] or [[Complexity::+]]
[19:12:23] <drobbins>	 okay
[19:13:13] <drobbins>	 + returns all?
[19:13:43] <Saruman>	 yah
[19:13:56] <Saruman>	 "any page that has a value for Complexity
[19:14:40] <drobbins>	 I am trying to adapt an existing example. I probably am doing it wrong.
[19:15:27] <drobbins>	 I have some internal subobjects that have a numerical complexity value. Would be cool to get a few more demo charts.
[19:15:35] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr|HavingACry: looks like you do not have DataValues loaded
[19:16:07] <drobbins>	 I'll play around with it later a bit more.
[19:24:58] <drobbins>	 yaron: remember how I asked about a Category result format that would aggregate identical entries, and optionally display a count?
[19:25:18] <yaron>	 Maybe...
[19:25:47] <drobbins>	 yaron: I have an example of where it would be handy...
[19:26:03] <drobbins>	 yaron: if you look at http://wiki.zenoss.org/Spamtest -- under UI Test.
[19:26:38] <drobbins>	 I am querying internal subobjects, and since I have multiple sub-objects that match, I am getting multiple identical entries in the category index.
[19:26:47] <drobbins>	 you can see this for "Advanced Device Details" and others.
[19:28:03] <yaron>	 Could it be that the data structure here is somewhat unusual, by the way?
[19:28:11] <drobbins>	 I don't think so.
[19:28:27] <drobbins>	 Each ZenPack has zero or more releases. Each release has ComplexityTags.
[19:28:48] <yaron>	 Ah, okay.
[19:28:50] <drobbins>	 I am trying to create a list of ZenPacks that have at least one release with "UI" in the ComplexityTags
[19:29:16] <drobbins>	 I want to link to the ZenPack page.
[19:29:25] <yaron>	 Well, you could query on the pages themselves, with something like "[[-Release of.ComplexityTags::UI]]".
[19:33:08] <drobbins>	 yaron: oh! that will work? hmmmmm.... I'll test it
[19:34:11] <drobbins>	 yaron: appears to be working, thank you very much
[19:34:18] <yaron>	 Sure.
[19:42:06] <drobbins>	 hrm, Special:Ask is throwing a 500 error :(
[19:43:14] <drobbins>	 yaron: this is appearing in my php error log: http://pastebin.com/0CU7bDtk
[19:45:12] <drobbins>	 disabled exhibit result format, looks like that will fix it
[19:45:47] <yaron>	 Oh, strange.
[19:46:13] <drobbins>	 yaron: now, I can get to my real issue. There should be more ZenPacks listed in the "Impact Test" on the Spamtest page.
[19:46:20] <drobbins>	 yaron: somehow, it's not getting them all.
[19:46:52] <drobbins>	 hrm, the Ask page is showing a small set too.
[19:46:58] <drobbins>	 I'll see if I can refresh the missing ones.
[19:47:08] <drobbins>	 these tags are getting set from an External Data JSON import.
[19:48:52] <drobbins>	 re-saving the page seemed to have fixed it. So it looks like I need to try to get the SMW update to complete successfully.
[19:49:01] <drobbins>	 from the cmdline, I had a traceback. So there could be issues.
[19:52:46] <drobbins>	 yaron: any idea on this monstrosity?: http://pastebin.com/CrYs7c1K
[19:53:49] <yaron>	 It looks like it's coming from some page that has a map on it, but I don't now more than that.
[19:55:25] <drobbins>	 okay.
[19:55:38] <drobbins>	 so some template expansion that is triggering some bug or causing naughtiness
[19:55:46] <drobbins>	 I only have a few pages/templates with maps.
[19:55:48] <drobbins>	 will look
[19:58:49] <drobbins>	 yaron: any other tips on how to find the offending page?
[19:59:01] <drobbins>	 yaron: I don't see anything with an explicit height of 350
[19:59:11] <yaron>	 No, the code is doing that.
[19:59:23] <yaron>	 Split up the refresh into chunks, by ID.
[20:00:02] <drobbins>	 how is that done?
[20:01:17] <yaron>	 I don't remember... if you read the top of SMW_refreshData.php, I think it explains it.
[20:02:08] <drobbins>	 ah ok
[20:02:16] <drobbins>	 is that a way to fix this problem, or just work around it?
[20:02:38] <drobbins>	 ok, doing it.
[20:03:16] <drobbins>	 this should help me find the page ID of the offending page, I think. Maybe with an SQL query, I can identify the page name.
[20:04:35] <drobbins>	 looks like page id 741
[20:05:29] <drobbins>	 appears to be 740
[20:06:30] <drobbins>	 I think I now have the page title of that offending page, via SQL query
[20:07:32] <drobbins>	 strangely, it's just a non-descript user page with a template that is used on many other pages, which inserts a google map
[20:07:59] <Ulfr_>	 drobbins: Ours is not to question why, just to kill the offending entry with fire.
[20:08:06] <drobbins>	 well, his geographic coordinates are wrong.
[20:08:16] <drobbins>	 Ulfr_: this sounds like a good plan :)
[20:09:09] <drobbins>	 I think I fixed it. His geographic coordinates were a string, resulting in some kind of parsing error I guess.
[20:09:15] <Ulfr_>	 Braver man than I, rawdogging into a MW SQL database
[20:09:19] <drobbins>	 now that I can get all page data updated, let's see if this fixes my query
[20:09:33] <drobbins>	 Ulfr_: well I just did a query on the page_id to get the page title. Then I did the fix on the wiki
[20:10:40] <Ulfr_>	 My DB is just in a master/slave setup and gets a lot of traffic. I always hate going in with the sql console
[20:13:47] <drobbins>	 I am gaining mad mediawiki skillz
[20:14:41] <Ulfr_>	 You don't have skillz until you've dealt with whitespace giving you problems
[20:17:36] <drobbins>	 what kind of problems?
[20:18:30] <Ulfr_>	 It's evil. Just evil.
[20:19:30] <Ulfr_>	 drobbins: http://wikidoc.org/index.php?title=Template:Pancytopenia&action=edit
[20:19:41] <Ulfr_>	 At one point I turned that template into an automated Semantic Template
[20:19:51] <Ulfr_>	 then again I don't really consider myself a mw pro yet
[20:20:32] <drobbins>	 I've done a software directory using SMW
[20:22:56] <drobbins>	 I really like SMW.
[20:23:35] <Ulfr_>	 It's pretty cool. Allows a lot of functionality within mw
[22:06:03] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Reedy; "Add .gitreview and .gitignore" [mediawiki/extensions/SMWHalo] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/73103