[00:30:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "SMW\SQLStore\WantedPropertiesCollector" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/66052
[00:35:21] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Feel free to revert but I need to moved forward here ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/66052
[00:36:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/66052
[00:43:48] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Mwjames; "It was pushed using [1]" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/66056
[00:52:35] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(Bug 44696) AskApi to support valid XML using the SMW\ApiQueryResultFormatter" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65646
[00:57:37] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "Rebase" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/65646
[03:10:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "(Bug 49852) sortKey.toLowerCase()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69617
[03:11:38] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69617
[07:32:06] <Ulfr_>	 Anyone alive?
[07:32:24] <bonsaikitten>	 no ;)
[07:32:29] <Ulfr_>	 Running an update to 1.8 that broke the hell out of my website, wondering if there's any way to tell how many pages need updating
[07:32:45] <bonsaikitten>	 what's broken how?
[07:33:38] <Ulfr_>	 Site worked fine before I started the update, and then I angered the gods. This is all it says now :( Jun 20 07:29:57 ip-10-68-185-110 httperror: [Thu Jun 20 07:29:57 2013] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] "" is not a valid magic word for "listerrors" Jun 20 07:29:57 ip-10-68-185-110 httperror: [Thu Jun 20 07:29:57 2013] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] "" is not a valid magic word for "describe"
[07:34:21] <Ulfr_>	 I'm on page 35k and there's over 100k pages on my wiki. Is it parsing each one?
[07:35:03] <bonsaikitten>	 what is at 35k ?
[07:35:13] <bonsaikitten>	 you leave out too much context to understand what you mean
[07:36:15] <Ulfr_>	 I apologize, I haven't slept in 36 hours trying to get this done >< I'm following these instructions: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Installation#Upgrading_existing_installations
[07:36:48] <Ulfr_>	 It's chugging along through whatever it is it's updating, and a number increments each time an update occurs. I'm on update... 35258 and I'm not sure how far the rabbit hole goes
[07:37:17] <bonsaikitten>	 so just leave that running for now
[07:38:17] <Ulfr_>	 bonsaikitten: I would, but the site is broken and needs to be up in a few hours :( http://www.wikidoc.org
[07:38:32] <bonsaikitten>	 why did you blindly upgrade a production system ?!
[07:39:09] <bonsaikitten>	 and to me it looks mostly working
[07:39:13] <Ulfr_>	 bonsaikitten: I really, really, /really/ really didn't want to
[07:39:28] <bonsaikitten>	 Ulfr_: and you tested on a ... test system?
[07:39:45] <Ulfr_>	 bonsaikitten: Ha! I had a test system. Then I got screamed at for going over budget :(
[07:40:04] <bonsaikitten>	 Ulfr_: so let your boss fix it, he seems to know it all
[07:40:12] * bonsaikitten  has little tolerance for such madness

[07:40:20] <Ulfr_>	 bonsaikitten: I'm the only technical person at my job :( My boss is a cardiologist
[07:40:24] <bonsaikitten>	 I'm stuck with MW 1.5.6 because upgrading breaks stuff
[07:40:33] * Ulfr_  really doesn't either, but also as a particular fondness for eating.

[07:40:35] <bonsaikitten>	 and I spent lots of time preparing to migrate until I gave up
[07:40:58] <Ulfr_>	 Heh. I went from 1.17 to 1.18 without realising PCRE is evil
[07:41:10] <bonsaikitten>	 pff, pcre is good ;)
[07:41:11] <Ulfr_>	 24 hour hotswap between CentOS front ends to Ubuntu frontends
[07:42:57] <Ulfr_>	 The maddening part about all of this is, I didn't even want to bloody update, but my options were obscenely arbitrary conditional code based on the whips of AskAPI, or committing myself
[07:46:54] <Ulfr_>	 bonsaikitten: Thanks for not immediately calling me crazy even though I was gibbering like a lunatic :)
[07:47:39] <bonsaikitten>	 hrm, process failure :)
[07:48:46] <Ulfr_>	 bonsaikitten: I executed the process perfectly. I just have unreasonable deadlines that don't appear to be ><
[07:49:07] <Ulfr_>	 Unless you're technical. Then they're horrifying
[07:49:34] * Ulfr_  Ulfr|break

[07:50:06] <bonsaikitten>	 I like it when people that don't do the work define the deadlines, then wonder why reality doesn't bend towards their mandate
[13:54:28] <Ulfr_>	 Can anyone think of a reason why updating SMW would make vanilla mediawiki's javascript supremely unhappy?
[14:30:38] <Ulfr_>	  $smwgScriptPath is breaking the hell out of my wiki and I can't find any example of what it should contain in my settings file. Anyone have thoughts?
[14:40:53] <Nischayn22>	 Man SemanticStatistics is so screwed up
[14:45:45] <Ulfr_>	 Nischayn22: Do tell
[14:46:02] <Nischayn22>	 I am fixing it up now
[14:46:04] <Ulfr_>	 JeroenDeDauw: Are you alive? Having a problem with SMW 1.9a and MW 1.19
[14:46:13] <Ulfr_>	 Dunno if I can safely downgrade tho
[14:46:15] <Nischayn22>	 Ulfr_: What's the problem?
[14:46:34] <Ulfr_>	 Nischayn22: I updated SMW and javascript just went on strike
[14:46:49] <Nischayn22>	 why are you using alpha?
[14:47:00] <Ulfr_>	 Nischayn22: Git decided I wanted to live on the edge
[14:47:12] <Nischayn22>	 git also suggests tags?
[14:47:18] <Nischayn22>	 1.8.0.5
[14:47:22] <Ulfr_>	 I'd like to downgrade to stable but I don't want to make the current situation worse
[14:47:30] * Ulfr_  also doesn't know how to make git do that

[14:48:04] <Nischayn22>	 just find out how to checkout a particular tag
[14:48:05] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr_: I don't really know what changes have been made to the WMW JS recently
[14:48:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Would need to ask MWJames
[14:48:24] <Ulfr_>	 JeroenDeDauw: Just wanted to know if it was safe to downgrade from 1.9a to 1.8
[14:49:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Use statistics from the stats table not Count()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69668
[14:50:30] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Ulfr_: I think so
[14:50:56] <Ulfr_>	 JeroenDeDauw: Thanks!
[14:52:28] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Use statistics from the stats table not Count()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69668
[14:52:36] <Ulfr_>	 JeroenDeDauw: That fixed it, thanks for confirming :)
[14:53:03] <Nischayn22>	 JeroenDeDauw: Hey, was it you or MWJames who worked with SemanticStatistics ?
[14:55:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Nischayn22: mostly mer
[15:03:00] <Ulfr_>	 thingles: So now that JS is working I just checked out some of my pages.. none of my properties are working anymore. Ex: http://www.wikidoc.org/index.php/WBR131 Any thoughts on what I did wrong?
[15:07:02] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "(1 comment)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69668
[15:07:38] <Ulfr_>	 thingles: better example: http://wikidoc.org/index.php/WBR103
[15:10:46] <Nischayn22>	 Ulfr_: If you are upgrading I recommend the migration script
[15:11:00] <Ulfr_>	 Nischayn22: I did, I'm technically downgrading
[15:11:28] <Ulfr_>	 I followed all the upgrade instructions on the smw website, looks like I just have to resave pages with properties
[15:11:30] <Ulfr_>	 I think
[15:11:46] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Use statistics from the stats table not Count()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69668
[15:11:53] <Nischayn22>	 Ulfr_: Which store are you using 2 or 3?
[15:12:05] <Ulfr_>	 Nischayn22: In theory 3
[15:13:13] <Nischayn22>	 You can keep using 2 to restore sanity, then use the migration script to build up Store3 and then switch back
[15:14:30] <Ulfr_>	 Well, I totally would if I hadn't deleted that trying to follow the directions
[15:14:52] <Ulfr_>	 At this point I really don't care anymore because the problem I upgraded to fix still happens
[15:16:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "In this case add a public method to the store in order to be able to derive the information from $th..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) C: -1;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69668
[15:16:07] <Nischayn22>	 Ah, deleted
[15:16:51] <Ulfr_>	 Nischayn22: Directions said it was to delete the old data store in my defense
[15:21:34] <Ulfr_>	 Is there any particular reason why a query using the AskAPI would return an empty set? I'm tossing it like 31 possible properties using OR but it seems to break arbitrarily
[15:50:14] <yaron>	 Ulfr_: I tried using the AskAPI at one point, and couldn't get it working - I switched back to using Special:Ask, which functions as an API if you use the CSV or JSON formats.
[15:51:21] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: Teach me your ways
[15:51:33] <yaron>	 Um...
[15:51:41] <yaron>	 Do you know about Special:Ask?
[15:52:14] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: Yup. I'm fairly proficient with it, and all of my queries work fine with it
[15:52:22] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: How do I feed it JSON?
[15:52:33] <yaron>	 You don't feed it JSON, you have it feed JSON.
[15:52:47] <yaron>	 You can do that by just selecting the JSON format from the format dropdown.
[15:53:00] <yaron>	 ...and then copy the resulting URL.
[15:53:05] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: Can I do that with jQuery?
[15:53:10] <yaron>	 Do what?
[15:53:38] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: Oh, I get what you're saying. I can't do that :( I have variable queries I'm running
[15:53:50] <yaron>	 What's a variable query?
[15:55:27] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: Uh, I'm making a quiz program. Users select  a set of Main and Sub categories. The query giving me greif is the one that goes and gets all possible questions that meet that criteria
[15:55:44] <yaron>	 Right, okay - you can use Special:Ask for that.
[15:56:07] <yaron>	 The GUI on that page is just a helper - the key thing is creating a Special:Ask URL for any specific query.
[15:56:13] <yaron>	 You can do that in Javascript.
[15:56:38] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: :o
[16:02:54] <Ulfr_>	 Of COURSE Special:Ask starts 500ing on me
[16:08:26] <Ulfr_>	 JeroenDeDauw: Out of curiosity, why do you not urldecode API queries? Does that happen somewhere I'm not seeing?
[16:10:35] <Ulfr_>	 yaron: This works so much better. Ermaigerd
[16:13:20] <thingles>	 yaron: So Special:Ask and AskAPI are wired up differently?
[16:13:39] <thingles>	 I use AskAPI all - the - time and it works well, didn't know you could do that with Special:Ask
[16:14:29] <thingles>	 yaron: curious if you've done thinking on allowing Semantic Forms to support responsive skins?
[16:14:44] <thingles>	 I've gotten a long ways as is, see my test page here if curious: http://wikiapiary.com/w/index.php?title=Special:FormEdit&form=Website%2FForeground&target=Test+form+with+Foreground
[16:15:31] <thingles>	 but there are some input types fight really hard (notably textarea and datetime). I'm considering submiting a patch or a gerrit commit but wanted to see if you had already gone down any paths related to this
[16:16:03] <thingles>	 oops. that URL will need a useskin as well: http://wikiapiary.com/w/index.php?title=Special:FormEdit&form=Website%2FForeground&target=Test+form+with+Foreground&useskin=foreground
[16:21:30] * Ulfr_  needs some sleep. Tired brain used dyslexcia to turn useskin=foreground into something giggle-worthy

[16:22:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Nischayn22; "That's too much work, let me find a workaround" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69668
[16:30:07] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Nischayn22; "Use statistics from the stats table not Count()" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69668
[16:42:13] <Nischayn22>	 The evil lies within TESTS :D
[17:05:30] <yaron>	 thingles: sorry, I just saw this now.
[17:05:36] <yaron>	 What do you mean by responsive skins?
[17:05:51] <yaron>	 The kind where you can change the browser size, and the layout moves around?
[17:06:04] <thingles>	 yeah... see http://foreground.wikiwonders.net/wiki/Special:FormEdit/Test_form_inputs/Test as example
[17:06:41] <thingles>	 so, mostly, no tables anywhere. :-)
[17:06:53] <yaron>	 Cool. So, what's missing in SF?
[17:07:23] <thingles>	 mainly some class decoration that is needed to be added...
[17:07:58] <thingles>	 multiple forms introduce bigger challenges, but really just focusing on the standard input types now
[17:08:23] <thingles>	 hence that test page
[17:08:41] <thingles>	 btw.. garrickvanburen just joined and is writing the Foreground skin with full Semantic Forms support
[17:08:41] <yaron>	 What do you mean by class decoration?
[17:08:54] <garrickvanburen>	 hi.
[17:08:58] <yaron>	 Cool. Hi!
[17:10:06] <thingles>	 garrickvanburen would know best, but for example the input type=datetime had class names for the dates, but not the times
[17:10:15] <garrickvanburen>	 so, form the code that I'm seeing, each form in the DatePicker has a class applied: dayInput, yearInput.
[17:10:26] <yaron>	 Oh, I se.
[17:10:28] <yaron>	 see.
[17:10:39] <garrickvanburen>	 but the same isn't true of the fields in the TimePicker.
[17:10:39] <thingles>	 somehow he just worked through that in the last commit though
[17:11:10] <thingles>	 another one is that textarea insists on assigning cols
[17:11:22] <yaron>	 Well, I'd be happy to accept any patches for that kind of thing - and I'm sure Stephan would be (he's the author of SFI, which is where datetimepicker is defined).
[17:11:38] <thingles>	 great
[17:12:01] <yaron>	 Ah, cols... I thought textarea actually just set "width: 100%" by default.
[17:12:11] <yaron>	 It's been a while.
[17:12:12] <thingles>	 default seems to be cols=80
[17:12:45] <thingles>	 you fine with a few diff's? we can try to figure out gerrit but frankly it scares me. ;-)
[17:13:00] <yaron>	 Yes, I fine.
[17:13:21] <thingles>	 (btw, these are all standard inputs, not SFI)
[17:13:50] <yaron>	 Alright, cool.
[17:14:11] <thingles>	 will make sure they are off master when and if we do
[17:14:12] <yaron>	 Why - garrickvanburen mentioned TimePicker.
[17:15:08] <yaron>	 Yeah, I'm afraid to do anything more with Get/Gerrit than I need to...
[17:15:45] <thingles>	 yaron: check outt his link for how nice this can work: http://wikiapiary.com/w/index.php?title=Special:FormEdit&form=Website%2FForeground&target=Test+form+with+Foreground&useskin=foreground
[17:15:45] <thingles>	 resize it and stuff adapts really, really nice
[17:15:45] <thingles>	 also using a lot of show on select to make things dynamic
[17:17:35] <yaron>	 Oh, nice! The menu and tabs things are cool.
[17:18:42] <thingles>	 yeah
[17:18:51] <thingles>	 renders better than Header Tabs too. :-)
[17:19:31] <yaron>	 Oh, you're not using Header Tabs?
[17:19:38] <yaron>	 So how do you define the tabs?
[17:19:48] <garrickvanburen>	 right now they're defined in the template.
[17:20:13] <yaron>	 You mean, in the form definition?
[17:20:33] <thingles>	 more code, but works better and is responsive. Header Tabs is a no go for responsive
[17:20:55] <thingles>	 yeah
[17:21:24] <thingles>	 see: bsite/Foreground&action=edit
[17:21:30] <thingles>	 oops
[17:21:37] <thingles>	 http://wikiapiary.com/w/index.php?title=Form:Website/Foreground&action=edit
[17:22:19] <yaron>	 Oh, I see - it's all HTML (and a bunch of JS and CSS behind the scenes, I assume) for the tabs.
[17:22:38] <thingles>	 yeah
[18:08:23] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Use statistics from the stats table not Count() " [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69668
[18:11:00] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "This is why we are writing tests." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/69668