[02:08:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Clean-up RecurringEvents class, add test docs" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59574
[02:16:50] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59574
[02:24:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change abandoned: Mwjames; "(no reason)" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/58293
[02:51:05] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Decouple responsibility, move value factory out of ParserData" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59057
[05:07:53] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Move SMWDataValueFactory and add tests" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59595
[08:36:30] <robsyme>	 Hi all. I've noticed that on http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Import_vocabulary#Importing_properties - it suggests that we should remove the "has type" statement from the property page. It suggests in bold that the type will automatically be taken from the smw_import_* declaration. On my wiki (MW 1.20.3, SMW 1.8.0.4), the type is not inferred from the smw_import_foaf page.
[08:36:32] <robsyme>	 Even the example given in the previous sentence - http://semanticweb.org/wiki/Property:Foaf:name has the type declared as string, and removing the property type shows that type is not inferred from the smw_import_foaf page.
[08:36:34] <robsyme>	 Does anybody else have automatic type inference from smw_import_foaf working?
[08:38:10] <robsyme>	 I've just noticed that I'm not the first person to be confused by this: http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Help_talk:Import_vocabulary/Property_datatypes
[17:08:54] <Zmodem>	 Is it possible to have a Semantic Form field be hidden after the inital submission?
[17:14:11] <Saruman>	 mightmare: I have never heard of that
[17:14:56] <mightmare>	 I have a form that has a "Name" feild that when the page is submitted it makes that the pages titles... but users always seem to attempt to edit that field to rename a page
[17:15:05] <mightmare>	 which seems logical but obviously doesnt work.
[17:16:02] <Saruman>	 well have you tried supplying extra explanation with that field?
[17:16:14] <mightmare>	 I have but I have about 2k users
[17:16:17] <mightmare>	 and they forget
[17:16:22] <mightmare>	 regularly
[17:16:24] <Saruman>	 I mean in the form itself?
[17:16:29] <mightmare>	 oh oh
[17:16:40] <mightmare>	 Maybe im lost...
[17:16:57] <mightmare>	 Add an explanation in the form (text?)
[17:17:04] <mightmare>	 tell the users it will not move the page?
[17:17:18] <Saruman>	 yah
[17:17:19] <Saruman>	 why not
[17:17:30] <mightmare>	 I have not yet, right now I am looking at my options
[17:17:40] <Saruman>	 http://www.infra-repository.org/oiar-dev/index.php?title=GS.Archive_Management&action=formedit
[17:17:44] <mightmare>	 Im just not sure if the {{#ifexists : tag will work as expected
[17:17:54] <Saruman>	 I'd think not
[17:18:24] <Saruman>	 but I'm not the world's leading expert in semantic forms
[17:18:40] <Saruman>	 wiki markup in a form relates to the form
[17:19:16] <Saruman>	 if the form is filled and submitted, it creates the page
[17:19:35] <mightmare>	 Correct
[17:19:38] <mightmare>	 they use the same form
[17:19:40] <mightmare>	 to edit the page
[17:19:42] <mightmare>	 "edit with form"
[17:19:54] <Saruman>	 yes, but the wiki markup doesn't know that
[17:20:09] <Saruman>	 it still relates to the page Form:whatever, regardless of which page you're creating or editing
[17:21:00] <Saruman>	 if you're editing page Foo, you're not "on" Foo, you're "on" Form:whatever, which contains the data from page Foo
[17:21:00] <mightmare>	 the idea I had was have the form check if the page exists, dont display the title field
[17:21:19] <mightmare>	 but I see what you are saying
[17:21:23] <mightmare>	 hurm
[17:21:52] <Saruman>	 There's something to be said for interaction between a form and the page it's going to create/edit, but I'm not sure what is already there, what might be done, and what cannot be done
[17:22:17] <Saruman>	 also, there's something inherently wrong with a wiki that you enter information into,but then cannot change
[17:22:31] <mightmare>	 All of it is editable
[17:22:46] <mightmare>	 id also agree my Wiki is not the usual wiki by ANY stretch
[17:23:04] <Saruman>	 not many semantic wiki's are "usual" by most stretches
[17:23:18] * Saruman  the veritable wordsmith

[17:23:42] <mightmare>	 Mine is used by a support org and it contains Knowledge Base Articles, on how to fix peoples servers
[17:23:52] <Saruman>	 that's pretty common though
[17:23:52] <mightmare>	 The fill the form out, and hit save and it maeks a new KB article with a KBID
[17:24:15] <mightmare>	 If a tier1 user finds something incorrect in the KB they can edit it via the edit with forms
[17:24:28] <mightmare>	 As the same form is used for the Creation and Edit
[17:24:33] <mightmare>	 it has a "title" field
[17:24:39] <mightmare>	 If they adjust that... it does nothing
[17:24:51] <mightmare>	 as the form uses
[17:24:53] <mightmare>	 {{{info|create title=New RTS Article|edit title=Update|page name=<RTSKB[KBTitle]> - <RTSKB[CustomerNumber]>}}}
[17:25:05] <mightmare>	 To "automaticly" create the page for them
[17:25:43] <Saruman>	 well, in the form you'd do good labeling the "title" field differently
[17:26:07] <Saruman>	 like "name" or "original ID" or what have you not
[17:27:05] <Saruman>	 some tag that doesn't tickle the user's edit muscles
[17:28:19] <mightmare>	 guess I could also create a second form
[17:28:25] <mightmare>	 and change the Page has default form::
[17:28:36] <mightmare>	 and make it not have the title field.
[17:28:37] <Saruman>	 yah that's a workaround as well
[17:28:55] <Saruman>	 well it has to have the title field, but you can make it hidden
[17:28:56] <mightmare>	 Thanks for the help :)
[17:29:00] <Saruman>	 np
[20:24:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add Hooks class test" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59715
[20:33:19] <Kensie>	 Hi all, I have an odd problem I am using a form to create a page with a template. When I put the template in by hand it is fine, but when I call the template {{template name}} I get an extra box - http://grab.by/lJp2
[20:34:48] <Kensie>	 sorry, took that one down look at this one - http://grab.by/lJpE
[20:35:26] <Kensie>	 Saruman: did I catch you before bed?
[20:36:27] <Kensie>	 oh wait...I may have figured it out myself :-p
[20:41:34] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add Hooks class test" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59715
[20:42:54] <Saruman>	 Kensie: still up
[20:43:28] <Kensie>	 Saruman: I'm comparing it to a similar template, I had a space between the start of the template
[20:43:37] <Kensie>	 but that doesn't seem to be fixing it? I'm testing
[20:45:36] <Kensie>	 Saruman: ok it seems to have been a paste error, some stuff is somehow in the wrong place :D
[20:46:16] <Saruman>	 you good now?
[20:47:24] <Kensie>	 Saruman: it's not working yet, but I think I am ok. Probably haven't fixed everything.
[20:47:36] <Saruman>	 ok, then it's bedtime for me
[20:47:38] <Saruman>	 \o
[22:31:52] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Use SMW_OUTPUT_WIKI for imgCaption instead" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59750
[22:45:55] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Yury Katkov; "guys! The documentation still doesn't work!" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/29882
[22:57:29] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Use outputMode to determine imgCaption text" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59750
[22:59:49] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticResultFormats] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59750
[23:03:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add SMW\HooksTest class" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59715
[23:11:48] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add SMW\HooksTest class" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59715
[23:16:54] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add SMW\HooksTest class" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59715
[23:23:45] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Mwjames; "Add SMW\HooksTest class" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59715
[23:53:59] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: jenkins-bot; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/59715