[01:52:16] <yaron>	 kghbln: are you still there? I just saw your question now.
[03:09:42] <sanyal>	 Can we include some text through semantic forms without using templates?
[03:10:44] <sanyal>	 I have to include a  parser function through a form, is it possible to do it without using a template wrapper?
[03:49:58] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added handling for #list syntax for SMWSQLStore3" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38486
[03:56:00] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38486
[04:20:08] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Better handling for coordinate properties, for SMWSQLStore2" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38488
[04:22:19] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38488
[04:34:36] <sanyal>	 yaron: I have to include a parser function through SF, is it possible to do it without using a template wrapper?
[04:38:39] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "New version: 0.7.1" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38489
[04:39:00] <yaron>	 sanyal: I don't understand the question.
[04:39:16] <yaron>	 Oh, I think I understand.
[04:39:27] <yaron>	 SF can only edit template calls, so I think the answer is no.
[04:44:29] <sanyal>	 yaron: You can include arbitrary text through preload feature I guess...
[04:45:03] <sanyal>	 The problem then would be that the parser function call would be visible in the free text box
[04:47:49] <yaron>	 Right.
[04:49:37] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38489
[05:03:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Fixed MediaWiki version requirement" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38490
[05:06:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38490
[05:25:06] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Handling for SMW's 'SMW\SubobjectParser' class, which doesn't exist yet" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38491
[05:27:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38491
[05:53:26] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "New version for SIO" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticBundle] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38492
[05:58:03] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticBundle] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38492
[10:45:57] <Worf>	 i'm kinda new to all this semantic features, and i'm wondering: is it possible to do a query that displays infos from "linked" pages. as in: if i have the class "people" that has a property "room", can do a query that lists me the people with their properties as well as the properties of the room they are in?
[11:02:12] <Worf>	 also i seem to have a problem with templates ... i did think the part in the <pre> tag is what defines the properties, and the part in the <includeonly> would be how it's displayed. However, the later seems to have quite some effect if the property "works" or not
[11:02:24] <Worf>	 ( talking of forms )
[13:09:10] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "I'd appreciate if we could close this change because Yaron already deployed his extension (see [1]) ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 1 C: 0;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37020
[15:11:38] <Nikerabbit>	 umm
[15:11:56] <Nikerabbit>	 "refresh data" seems to be broken in semantic bundle
[15:12:11] <Nikerabbit>	 version 20120327
[15:12:36] <Nikerabbit>	 prolly caused by jobqueue changes
[15:41:31] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Yaron Koren; "Hi James," [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38486
[15:52:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Fix so that display format of template gets set correctly" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38527
[15:53:54] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38527
[16:46:20] <Nikerabbit>	 I can't get semantic drilldrown filters to work, what's the trick?
[16:55:22] <daNASCAT>	 Hi there. I am getting a PHP fatal error whenever I move a page on SMW 1.8
[16:55:25] <daNASCAT>	 Call to protected method SMWSql3SmwIds::deleteCache() from context 'SMWSQLStore3Writers' in /home/tq/public_html/w/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki/includes/storage/SQLStore/SMW_SQLStore3_Writers.php on line 650
[16:56:11] <daNASCAT>	 The page move goes through, but the semantic data from the old page does not get deleted, leading to double results in queries until I delete the page (which works fine) and recreate solely as a redirect.
[16:56:12] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "version 2.0.1" [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38537
[16:56:42] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "version 2.0.1" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38538
[16:56:45] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38537
[16:56:53] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38538
[17:03:58] <yaron>	 Nikerabbit: are you creating the filter pages, and placing their names on the category page using "Has filter"?
[17:05:06] <yaron>	 daNASCAT: assuming you're using the latest SMW 1.8 code, that sounds like a serious bug - you should report it on http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org, if possible.
[17:07:16] <Nikerabbit>	 yaron: I'm using the create filter special page
[17:08:05] <Nikerabbit>	 just giving it a name and selecting property and then I click create
[17:08:40] <yaron>	 Nikerabbit: okay, right, that's the first half - then you just need to put the filter(s) used for a certain category, on that category's page.
[17:08:56] <Nikerabbit>	 I see
[17:09:01] <yaron>	 Using "[[Has filter::Filter:filter-name]]".
[17:09:53] <Nikerabbit>	 thanks for that, it is not obvious if you only use the special page
[17:10:45] <yaron>	 That's true, yes.
[17:11:12] <daNASCAT>	 https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43080 Thanks, yaron
[17:11:40] <yaron>	 In the long term, I'm hoping that the Page Schemas extension will become the standard interface for creating filters; it's a more obvious UI, I think.
[17:12:19] <yaron>	 daNASCAT: great!
[17:28:20] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Jeroen De Dauw; "Considering this works and has tests, it's ok for me. Perhaps it has some OOP issues which would be ..." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master); V: 0 C: 2;  - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37020
[17:29:27] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/37020
[17:30:30] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "fixed since tags" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38539
[17:30:40] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMediaWiki] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38539
[18:30:18] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Mwjames; "To wrap this up:" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38486
[18:46:44] <gerrit-wm>	 New review: Yaron Koren; "Okay, thanks for all the information." [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38486
[19:09:40] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Changed #list handling to work with SMW 1.8, not just 1.9" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38552
[19:13:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticInternalObjects] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38552
[19:41:16] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Yaron Koren; "Added display of error messages for autocomplete API" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38558
[19:42:33] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38558
[19:51:01] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "updated maps and sm tags" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticBundle] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38559
[19:51:34] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticBundle] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38559
[19:56:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: https://code.google.com/p/semantic-mediawiki-bundle/downloads/list
[19:57:06] <yaron>	 Yay!!!!! #highfive
[19:57:58] <yaron>	 I'm just deprecating the old files now...
[19:58:51] <drobbins>	 yaron: hiya
[19:59:00] <yaron>	 drobbins: hi.
[19:59:12] <drobbins>	 yaron: updating maps and semantic maps, and I still seem to be hitting a There is no result format for 'map'."
[19:59:29] <drobbins>	 yaron: this is when I updated semanticmaps: http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/Usermap
[19:59:35] <drobbins>	 wondering if I need to update something else.
[19:59:37] <yaron>	 drobbins: there's a better person to talk to about that, and fortunately he's right here. :)
[19:59:59] <drobbins>	 aha
[20:00:03] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: hi :)
[20:00:08] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: http://sourceforge.net/projects/semediawiki/files/semediawiki/Semantic%20MediaWiki%201.8/stats/timeline
[20:00:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: hi
[20:00:34] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: after bumping Maps and SemanticMaps to latest in git, I am getting this: http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/Usermap
[20:00:48] <yaron>	 Nice!
[20:00:53] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: I have seen this before when I have tried to update Maps/Semantic Maps
[20:03:07] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: any on ideas on what is wrong and how to resolve it?
[20:03:26] <JeroenDeDauw>	 pffft
[20:03:35] <Nikerabbit>	 yaron: hah, input like this in a form: "{{{field|comments|input type=textarea}}" causes php to go into infinite loop or something
[20:03:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 When I try it myself I get a pile of other errors in SMW
[20:03:40] <Nikerabbit>	 note the missing }
[20:03:55] <yaron>	 Nikerabbit: yeah, I know about that... I should look into it.
[20:04:22] <yaron>	 It has caused problems for me too, occasionally.
[20:08:29] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: poke
[20:09:14] <gerrit-wm>	 New patchset: Jeroen De Dauw; "Fixed serialization notice" [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38562
[20:09:44] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: from which to what version did you upgrade?
[20:10:00] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: do you want SemanticMaps version only?
[20:10:05] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yes
[20:10:09] <drobbins>	 one moment
[20:10:57] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: from this git commit: commit d7e4e4adb5e28572b0f8f49a1e71c491a43a639f
[20:11:00] <drobbins>	 Author: jeroendedauw <jeroendedauw@gmail.com>
[20:11:03] <drobbins>	 Date:   Sun Jun 24 00:11:04 2012 +0200
[20:11:06] <drobbins>	 Some fixes and updated rel notes
[20:11:12] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: to latest HEAD
[20:11:40] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: 2.3 MiB => 2.8 MiB since March :)
[20:11:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: version numbers please :)
[20:12:14] <yaron>	 Nice... I assume SRF is driving most of the increase?
[20:12:51] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: new version is 2.0.1
[20:13:14] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: could be
[20:13:25] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Jeroen De Dauw; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticMaps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38562
[20:13:54] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: from 2.0 alpha
[20:16:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: ok, not sure what the issue is. I'm not getting this error
[20:17:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: you said you got this before? to which version where you trying to upgrade then?
[20:17:12] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: whatever was most recent in the git tree.
[20:17:27] <Nikerabbit>	 yaron: is it possible to disable view form/view source for certain user groups?
[20:18:08] <yaron>	 Nikerabbit: you can disable the "view source" tab, with the 'viewedittab' permission, I think it's called.
[20:18:11] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: could it be an issue related to Semantic Compound Queries?
[20:18:32] <Nikerabbit>	 yaron: how about the form?
[20:18:38] <yaron>	 You can't disable that one.
[20:18:43] <yaron>	 Why would you want to?
[20:19:05] <Nikerabbit>	 yaron: trying to look easy way to add comments not visible to all users
[20:19:23] <yaron>	 Oh, I see.
[20:19:34] <yaron>	 Security through obscurity.
[20:19:52] <drobbins>	 yaron: the traceback for the maps is going through semantic compound queries. Is it possible that some issue there is causing the problem?
[20:20:06] <drobbins>	 yaron: I will try to get a regular map query to work, without compound query, and see.
[20:20:19] <yaron>	 Cool.
[20:21:39] <yaron>	 Nikerabbit: well, it's not possible; you'd have to do it through the skin or something, I guess.
[20:22:06] <drobbins>	 yaron: JeroenDeDauw: regular map query works. Culprit may be compound queries.
[20:22:16] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: ok
[20:22:21] <drobbins>	 yaron: JeroenDeDauw: map here is working fine: http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/Spamtest
[20:22:56] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: actually, there is one bug.
[20:23:03] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: every popup says "User:Watersb".
[20:23:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: that looks like an issue with alias resolving of SCQ
[20:23:47] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: or is it hardocding the "map" format somewhere?
[20:23:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: the map format no longer exists
[20:23:56] <yaron>	 Oh... I don't know.
[20:24:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: it's just an alias for the default map format now
[20:24:25] <yaron>	 Right... that's been the case for a while, no?
[20:25:32] <yaron>	 I just looked through the SCQ code, by the way - it doesn't do anything special, map-related.
[20:25:48] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: for two or three months I think
[20:25:55] <yaron>	 Oh, okay.
[20:26:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: try changing the format to the canonical name
[20:26:10] <yaron>	 drobbins: so, does it work if you use "format=googlemaps" instead?
[20:26:11] <yaron>	 Right.
[20:26:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: googlemaps3
[20:26:50] <drobbins>	 ok
[20:27:14] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: it fixes the traceback, but I am encountering another bug.
[20:27:18] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: googlemaps was canonical of the v2 service :) its an alias now
[20:27:25] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: the popups are displaying the color and link for the same user.
[20:27:34] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: but the geographic coordinates are changing.
[20:27:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: right ok
[20:27:48] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: if you see http://www.funtoo.org/wiki/Usermap you will see what's going on. Click on some markers.
[20:27:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: does that go away when you switch to version 2.0?
[20:28:08] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: let me see
[20:28:37] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: just changed to 2.0, and yes it looks like it goes away
[20:28:42] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ....
[20:28:42] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: as visible on the page now
[20:28:58] * JeroenDeDauw  throws a rock at Nischay|Away

[20:29:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Great, now I can do another round of fixing an another bugfix release
[20:29:19] <yaron>	 Ooh.
[20:29:36] <yaron>	 Is this bug worth delaying the Semantic Bundle release for?
[20:31:00] <yaron>	 JeroenDeDauw: what do you think?
[20:31:19] <JeroenDeDauw>	 ...
[20:31:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 what I think is that I am getting rather pissed at people making changes, not testing them properly, and thus breaking critical features
[20:32:02] <yaron>	 Okay, sure.
[20:32:13] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: can you temporary replace the content of includes/queryprinters/SM_QueryHandler.php
[20:32:21] <JeroenDeDauw>	 with https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/cat/34078%2C4%2Cincludes/queryprinters/SM_QueryHandler.php%5E1
[20:32:29] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: yes, one moment
[20:32:36] <JeroenDeDauw>	 wait wait
[20:32:38] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: this is 2.0.1 + this tweak?
[20:32:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 first switch back to master
[20:32:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 then do the change
[20:32:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 and see if the map shows up correctly
[20:32:55] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yeah
[20:32:56] <drobbins>	 ok one moment
[20:34:29] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: give me another URL to download, I didn't get PHP
[20:34:57] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: yeah, it's a zip containing the file
[20:35:11] <drobbins>	 ah, ok.
[20:35:13] <drobbins>	 one sec.
[20:35:25] <JeroenDeDauw>	 no idea why gerrit puts that in a zip, makes little sense to me
[20:35:47] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: that URL doesn't seem to be working on second wget. Weird.
[20:36:08] <drobbins>	 in quotes, I got it
[20:36:09] <drobbins>	 one sec
[20:37:23] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: that does appear to fix it, the fix is live now.
[20:37:26] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: master + that file.
[20:38:00] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: ok, thnaks for checking
[20:38:06] <JeroenDeDauw>	 now I know what to revert
[20:38:07] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: you're welcome
[20:40:07] <drobbins>	 yaron: for SCQ, "googlemaps" and "googlemaps3" works. "googlemap" throws an ugly traceback.
[20:40:24] <yaron>	 Okay, good to know - how about "map"?
[20:40:30] <drobbins>	 yaron: the one mentioning that there is no result format for map.
[20:40:31] <drobbins>	 one moment
[20:40:49] <drobbins>	 yaron: "map" works.
[20:40:56] <yaron>	 Oh, great.
[20:41:11] <yaron>	 Well, I'm not personally concerned about "googlemap" - that's just an error.
[20:41:20] <yaron>	 Others may disagree, though.
[20:41:45] <drobbins>	 yaron: well, the tricky thing is that it did work before. So it's a regression, even if it was technically wrong before, it was supported.
[20:41:55] <drobbins>	 yaron: I must have gotten that syntax from some example on the wiki somewhere.
[20:42:21] <yaron>	 Alright.
[20:42:30] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: it was supported as an alias at some point yes
[20:42:34] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: but this got dropped
[20:42:56] <JeroenDeDauw>	 still, this should get your the output in the table format together with a message you specified an unknown format
[20:43:01] <JeroenDeDauw>	 and not show a fatal error
[20:43:08] <drobbins>	 I am just concerned that there are probably some wiki that use that alias, so if users copy the query, it will fail with an unclear error.
[20:43:31] <drobbins>	 yes, a more clear error or handling of the condition would be best. Or a fix.
[20:43:51] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: the issue should be fixed on master now
[20:43:59] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: and on the 2.0.1 tag, which I updated
[20:44:07] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: great, thanks, will update to that now
[20:44:32] <drobbins>	 JeroenDeDauw: it appears to be working, using master :)
[20:44:46] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: I'll run the sb build script again tomorrow
[20:44:53] <JeroenDeDauw>	 drobbins: awesome :)
[20:44:54] <yaron>	 Yay!
[20:45:20] <drobbins>	 thanks you two :)
[20:45:34] <yaron>	 The joys of trying to coordinate 10+ extensions at the same time. :)
[20:49:32] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: now the SM version is 2.0.1.2 :p
[20:49:38] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Appropriate no?
[20:49:49] <yaron>	 Yeah, nice!
[20:50:10] <yaron>	 Now the world will definitely end. :)
[20:50:17] <Saruman>	 Don't change stuff for another 18 days!
[20:50:22] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: so it seems like you'll have to wait a bit for the 3.0 rel :D
[20:50:43] <JeroenDeDauw>	 Saruman: It probably is the last 2012 rel
[20:50:48] <yaron>	 Oh, yeah, I guess so.
[20:50:52] <JeroenDeDauw>	 I am no longer working on the 2.0.x branch anyway
[21:03:14] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Yaron Koren; [mediawiki/extensions/SemanticForms] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38617
[21:05:04] <gerrit-wm>	 Change merged: Raimond Spekking; [mediawiki/extensions/Maps] (master) - https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/38585
[21:23:18] <JeroenDeDauw>	 yaron: anything you want upped on smw wiki?
[21:23:49] <yaron>	 No...