[01:46:46] 10VisualEditor: If a ref-tag uses the "follow" attribute it will be corrupted in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135091#2287961 (10jeblad) [01:50:39] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor: Documentation for citoid in general, but dwindled down info type handling - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133531#2287982 (10jeblad) [02:10:55] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector: Input method and the situation at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135092#2287998 (10jeblad) [02:16:58] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector: Input method and the situation at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135092#2288028 (10jeblad) [02:17:37] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector: Input method and the situation at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135092#2287998 (10jeblad) [02:51:50] 10VisualEditor: Import of preformatted templates into an article - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135095#2288079 (10jeblad) [03:04:11] 10VisualEditor: Make it possible to reuse references used in (smart) templates (infoboxes) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135096#2288106 (10jeblad) [03:09:30] 10VisualEditor: Make it possible to reuse references used in (smart) templates (infoboxes) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135096#2288142 (10jeblad) [03:18:54] 10VisualEditor: The insert menu in VE is awkward - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135099#2288146 (10jeblad) [07:24:35] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-FlaggedRevs: Flagged Revisions marks as reviewed revisions for which no diff has been shown - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135105#2288314 (10Elitre) [07:47:55] tonythomas: Hi. :) [08:12:22] sagarhani: hey! [08:30:09] 10Citoid, 10VisualEditor, 07Browser-Support-Internet-Explorer: Automation citation insert does not work in IE 9 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134928#2282697 (10Esanders) Tagging some services people as this might require changes to Citoid headers? [09:32:10] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10MediaWiki-Authentication-and-authorization, 06Reading-Infrastructure-Team, and 2 others: Update VisualEditor for AuthManager - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135071#2288472 (10Aklapper) [10:01:24] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References: Make it possible to convert a bare URL reference that I just added - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123776#1937495 (10Esanders) If I create a basic reference with just a link I get the convert button. [10:33:36] 10VisualEditor: If a ref-tag uses the "follow" attribute it will be corrupted in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135091#2288563 (10jeblad) This is an issue of several discussed at [[https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Torget | w:no:Wikipedia:Bazar ]]. [10:33:41] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector: Input method and the situation at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135092#2288578 (10jeblad) This is an issue of several discussed at [[https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Torget | w:no:Wikipedia:Bazar ]]. [10:33:50] 10VisualEditor: Import of preformatted templates into an article - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135095#2288579 (10jeblad) This is an issue of several discussed at [[https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Torget | w:no:Wikipedia:Bazar ]]. [10:34:06] 10VisualEditor: Make it possible to reuse references used in (smart) templates (infoboxes) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135096#2288581 (10jeblad) This is an issue of several discussed at [[https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Torget | w:no:Wikipedia:Bazar ]]. [10:34:23] 10VisualEditor: The insert menu in VE is awkward - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135099#2288584 (10jeblad) This is an issue of several discussed at [[https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Torget | w:no:Wikipedia:Bazar ]]. [11:26:05] 10VisualEditor: Make it possible to reuse references used in (smart) templates (infoboxes) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135096#2288675 (10Esanders) [11:26:07] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-Templates: You should be able to re-use a reference in a template invocation - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T63505#2288677 (10Esanders) [11:29:50] 10VisualEditor: Import of preformatted templates into an article - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135095#2288079 (10Esanders) Can you give an example of such a template? [11:34:54] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: If a ref-tag uses the "follow" attribute it will be corrupted in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135091#2288726 (10Esanders) [11:35:48] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid: If a ref-tag uses the "follow" attribute it will be corrupted in VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135091#2287961 (10Esanders) Looks like Parsoid doesn't support this. Also this is a really evil feature. [12:22:34] 10VisualEditor, 10MediaWiki-extensions-UniversalLanguageSelector: Input method and the situation at nowiki - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135092#2288865 (10Elitre) I'm probably missing something - you need something that allows [[ https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzerin%3AElitre_%28WMF%29%2... [12:58:40] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Always switch to 'auto' panel when converting references [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288380 [12:58:42] (03PS1) 10Esanders: Convert references in place [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288381 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135108) [13:12:21] 10VisualEditor: Re-applying transactions to internal nodes can throw exceptions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135127#2288996 (10Esanders) [13:13:52] RoanKattouw: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135127 [13:14:24] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki-References, 13Patch-For-Review: Update named references when using convert button - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135108#2289016 (10Esanders) The above fix works nicely but exposes T135127 [13:24:20] (03PS2) 10Esanders: Convert references in place [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288381 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135108) [13:37:28] edsanders: if I extend ve.ui.LinearContextItem it doesn't crash on startup. Why does it crash with the abstract class ve.ui.AnnotationContextItem? Probably I use badly the parent constructor? [13:38:46] you should be able to trace the source of the error using the debugger [13:49:13] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] Group optional action test arguments in an options object [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288174 (owner: 10Esanders) [13:50:52] (03CR) 10DLynch: [C: 032] Always switch to 'auto' panel when converting references [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288380 (owner: 10Esanders) [13:53:05] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Group optional action test arguments in an options object [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288174 (owner: 10Esanders) [13:53:07] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Always switch to 'auto' panel when converting references [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288380 (owner: 10Esanders) [15:16:26] James_F: Hi. :) [15:16:35] Hey [15:16:41] Had a query regarding a MediaWiki extension. [15:16:54] tonythomas had mailed you few hours back. [15:19:08] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Dash1291/Thoughts#Realtime_Collaboration_on_Visual_Editor [15:19:30] I'm building a realtime collaborative editor extension for VisualEditor. [15:19:37] Oh. [15:19:38] Hey. [15:19:46] So, wanted to know what would be the hurdles for it ? [15:19:50] For VisualEditor, or for VisualEditor-on-MediaWiki? [15:20:04] VisualEditor on MediaWiki. [15:20:07] Oh dear. [15:20:13] That's… OK, well, hey. [15:21:11] The hurdles are immense. [15:21:29] The parent task is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76548 but there's no details there, sorry. [15:22:17] What would you suggest - Making it as an extension or building with the VE itself ? [15:22:25] Which would be better ? [15:22:38] 10VisualEditor, 06Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016): Facilitate deployment of the visual editor at the Japanese Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134147#2289353 (10Elitre) This first phase of rollout was pretty much uneventful (not much feedback so far). As for communications, we got over 60k view... [15:22:40] The main challenge is not going to be VE, it's going to be MediaWiki. [15:23:05] Fundamentally, MediaWiki's core architecture is not compatible with what real-time collaboration means. [15:23:26] Revisions are single-author and (at least meant to be) atomic. [15:24:22] I wrote a long list of challenges somewhere. [15:28:49] (Can't find it yet, keeping searching.) [15:29:26] That's fine. :) [15:29:39] I'm happy that I'm able to discuss with you. :) [15:31:11] Aha, https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiki-research-l/2014-September/003807.html is a good starting point. [15:31:58] (I swear I wrote a more detailed, technical one, but I can't find that, sorry.) [15:32:20] Okay, that's fine. :) [15:33:04] What's the target you're looking to achieve? What kind of use cases? [15:33:30] This is the idea : http://meta.wikitolearn.org/GSoC_Ideas#Project:_WikiToLearn_collaborative_editor [15:33:54] But we thought of making it to MediaWiki so that anyone can use it. (not just specifically to our project.) [15:34:01] * James_F nods. [15:34:18] Do you want multiple people able to edit at once, or one editor and others advising? [15:35:37] First priority : one editing and others advising If I achieve this, then I'll try to make it multiple people edit at same time. [15:36:20] * James_F nods. [15:36:27] Since wikitolearn.org is pretty new. It will be helpful for editor if someone is advising them at the same time. [15:36:30] One person editing should be quite a lot more do-able. :-) [15:38:01] Okay, then how could another person able to advise ? (Will the advisor also get access to edit on editor ?) [15:40:07] You'll need to build that bit. :-) I guess a stream of editing transactions to the adviser's machine showing the edit in read-only mode. Provide a chat window to give feedback. [15:40:20] Have you looked at the TogetherJS stuff? [15:42:17] Yes, TogetherJS made by Mozilla. I tried it too. [15:42:35] The TogetherJS-VisualEditor work, I meant. [15:43:32] Yeah, I have checked that too. [15:44:20] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: SET does not seem to respect user's existing cookie if no preference is set - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133304#2289458 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:05Normal>03Unbreak! Argh, I assumed this was fixed. :-( >>! In T133304#2253652, @AlexMonk-WMF wrote: > We don't gi... [15:45:34] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 031] Convert references in place [extensions/Citoid] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288381 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135108) (owner: 10Esanders) [16:01:41] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Update VE core submodule to master (598aa93) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288418 [16:21:01] sagarhani: it's a pretty big undertaking as you have to work out how to serialise transactions [16:21:16] or user intentions [16:22:56] (03CR) 10Esanders: [C: 032] Update VE core submodule to master (598aa93) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288418 (owner: 10Jforrester) [16:23:58] I have an old WIP that tries to do it at the transaction level: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/231017/ [16:24:10] it's a big patch and there are still bugs [16:28:36] (03Abandoned) 10Esanders: [NEVER MERGE] Move special character dialog to the sidebar [VisualEditor/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/282673 (owner: 10Esanders) [16:32:49] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Update VE core submodule to master (598aa93) [extensions/VisualEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288418 (owner: 10Jforrester) [16:38:21] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: SET does not seem to respect user's existing cookie if no preference is set - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133304#2289686 (10AlexMonk-WMF) The preference is either set to a non-default value, or not set and just falling back to default. [16:53:51] 10VisualEditor, 06Community-Liaisons (Apr-Jun-2016): Facilitate deployment of the visual editor at the Japanese Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134147#2289770 (10Elitre) (also [[ https://ja.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3Aビジュアルエディター%2Fフィードバック&type=revision&diff=59701119&oldid=5969922... [17:08:23] RoanKattouw: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135127 [17:17:53] 10VisualEditor, 10ArchCom-RfC, 06Parsing-Team, 10TemplateStyles, 07RfC: RfC: Allow styling in templates - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T483#2289897 (10GWicke) [17:19:28] edsanders: ugh. I'm busy today (meetings+deployment) but I'll take a look later [17:50:27] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-DataModel: Re-applying transactions to internal nodes can throw exceptions - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135127#2290094 (10Jdforrester-WMF) p:05Triage>03High [17:54:37] (03PS1) 10Jforrester: Add WTE welcome dialog [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.28.0-wmf.1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288437 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800) [17:59:36] 10VisualEditor, 06Editing-Department, 10MobileFrontend, 07Mobile, and 2 others: Enable editing for mobile users without JavaScript and kill Special:MobileEditor code in MobileFrontend - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125174#2290151 (10Jdlrobson) {F4001925} The anon editor warning needs some love.. but... [18:01:06] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10WikiEditor, 13Patch-For-Review, 05WMF-deploy-2016-05-17_(1.28.0-wmf.2): Add the "welcome" dialog (with button to switch) to the wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800#2290156 (10Elitre) For clarity, when we deploy this, who will see the dia... [18:17:26] (03CR) 10Esanders: Add WTE welcome dialog (031 comment) [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.28.0-wmf.1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288437 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800) (owner: 10Jforrester) [18:17:44] Krenair: ^^ [18:18:07] Oh, yeah, good point. [18:19:20] is that native localStorage or some MW wrapped thing? [18:19:47] if so you can just do (localStorage && localStorage.setItem...) assuming that if it exists it works [18:26:20] RoanKattouw: "I'm busy (meetings)" is an oxymoron. [18:26:55] I have things to do and due to the meetings I have less time to do them [18:26:56] edsanders: setItem throws, getItem doesn't. [18:27:00] edsanders: According to MDN. [18:27:11] we have this pattern in several places [18:27:55] see `git grep -C 1 localStorage.` [18:29:17] * James_F nods. [18:29:35] Krenair: Would you be OK to do a deployment? Sorry, I know you're busy. :-( [18:41:59] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 032] Add WTE welcome dialog [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.28.0-wmf.1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288437 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800) (owner: 10Jforrester) [18:46:42] (03CR) 10Jforrester: [C: 04-2] "Actually, not doing this now." [extensions/VisualEditor] (wmf/1.28.0-wmf.1) - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/288437 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800) (owner: 10Jforrester) [18:48:58] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10WikiEditor, 07User-notice, 05WMF-deploy-2016-05-17_(1.28.0-wmf.2): Add the "welcome" dialog (with button to switch) to the wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800#2290313 (10Jdforrester-WMF) [18:49:56] James_F, what deployment? [18:50:32] Krenair: ^^^, but after talking about it with Elitre we decided not to rush it out given the impact. [18:50:45] ok... [18:51:08] bad idea to rush that out given that it'll be untranslated [18:51:19] It's got a bunch of translations already. [18:51:20] But yes. [18:51:42] Oh, right, it's wmf.2 so none of the LU caches in prod will have it. [18:56:28] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10WikiEditor, 07User-notice, 05WMF-deploy-2016-05-17_(1.28.0-wmf.2): Add the "welcome" dialog (with button to switch) to the wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800#2244591 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T133800#2290156, @Elitre wrote: > For clari... [18:56:33] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10WikiEditor, 07User-notice, 05WMF-deploy-2016-05-17_(1.28.0-wmf.2): Add the "welcome" dialog (with button to switch) to the wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800#2290329 (10Elitre) Ok, I just learned it's an all or nothing thing - it's unfe... [18:59:49] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki: SET does not seem to respect user's existing cookie if no preference is set - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133304#2290333 (10Jdforrester-WMF) >>! In T133304#2289686, @AlexMonk-WMF wrote: > The preference is either set to a non-default value, or not set and just f... [19:53:24] 10VisualEditor, 10VisualEditor-MediaWiki, 10WikiEditor, 07User-notice, 05WMF-deploy-2016-05-17_(1.28.0-wmf.2): Add the "welcome" dialog (with button to switch) to the wikitext editor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T133800#2290533 (10Elitre) [20:15:43] 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase, 06Services: Investigate source of null / missing If-Match headers in VE html2wt requests - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135171#2290583 (10GWicke) [20:16:37] 10VisualEditor, 10RESTBase, 06Services: Investigate source of null / missing If-Match headers in VE html2wt requests - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T135171#2290583 (10GWicke) p:05Triage>03High [20:28:40] 10VisualEditor: VisualEditor does not respect trailing chars - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T129778#2290633 (10jeblad) Yes, right, … ;/ [20:28:55] 10VisualEditor, 10Parsoid, 10RESTBase: Intermittent corruptions on saves, likely related to data-parsoid mis-matches - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T134593#2290635 (10GWicke) See also T135171 for the related investigation into missing `if-match` headers in some VE requests. [20:32:07] (03PS19) 10Paladox: Allow the signature wikitext to be overridden locally [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258783 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T26191) [20:33:44] (03PS20) 10Jdlrobson: Allow the signature wikitext to be overridden locally [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258783 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T26191) (owner: 10Paladox) [20:43:53] (03CR) 10Jdlrobson: "I have concerns around how this will work for anons and the config variable getting cached." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258783 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T26191) (owner: 10Paladox) [21:02:18] (03CR) 10Paladox: "Ive been testing and this works for all users do to if you change the message. The message is a core message." [extensions/WikiEditor] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/258783 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T26191) (owner: 10Paladox)