[00:01:24] (03CR) 10Dzahn: [C: 032] "https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_new_languages%2FWikipedia_South_Azerbaijani&type=revision&diff=12707639&oldid=12" [dns] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225830 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106305) (owner: 10Mjbmr) [00:03:33] 10Wikimedia-Language-setup, 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 5Patch-For-Review: Create Wikipedia South Azerbaijani - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106305#1464443 (10Dzahn) Because of T84684 this will only be added to DNS once the zonefile template is touched too. [00:06:29] 10Wikimedia-Apache-configuration, 6operations, 5Patch-For-Review: nb subdomain redirects - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86924#1464445 (10Krenair) 5Open>3Resolved [00:06:42] 10Math: Math cannot be printed from browsers that don't use the MathML mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106088#1464446 (10Physikerwelt) p:5Triage>3Normal [00:09:17] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464450 (10Physikerwelt) >>! In T99369#1464434, @DavidEppstein wrote: > ... MathML will never be the not-logged-in view and any developer work spent improvin... [00:11:37] (03PS4) 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE): [WIP] Add MwDateFormatParser [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/153211 [00:12:29] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] [WIP] Add MwDateFormatParser [extensions/Wikibase] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/153211 (owner: 10Thiemo Mättig (WMDE)) [00:17:33] 10Math, 10Mathoid, 7Accessibility: Some LaTeX commands generate characters concatenated in the same MathML token element - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105318#1464452 (10Physikerwelt) I filed an upstream bug https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax/issues/1212 [00:22:10] 10Math, 10Mathoid, 7Accessibility: Need a way to write multiscripts around an expression - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105316#1464453 (10Physikerwelt) [00:22:24] 10Huggle: Cannot login to Huggle 3.1.14 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106309#1464455 (10MJ94) p:5Triage>3Unbreak! [00:23:11] 10Math, 10Mathoid, 7Accessibility: Need a way to write multiscripts around an expression - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105316#1440854 (10Physikerwelt) @fredw: I guess this is a MathJax problem. [00:23:17] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464458 (10DavidEppstein) You notice the "with PNG fall-back images" part of the T78046 outline that you linked to? That is what you're actually proposing as... [00:23:32] 10VisualEditor, 7JavaScript, 3VisualEditor 2015/16 Q1 blockers: "TypeError: str is undefined" when attempting to save and edit with VisualEditor - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105386#1464459 (10Krenair) Works for me... [00:23:46] 10Math, 10Mathoid, 7Accessibility: Need a way to write multiscripts around an expression - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105316#1464460 (10Physikerwelt) Can you give an example of how the MathJax looks now and how it should look like [00:23:52] 10Gather, 3Reading-Web-Next-Sprint-52-Z__________: [Regression] Gather onboarding and new main menu in beta not compatible - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105880#1464461 (10KHammerstein) @Jdlrobson We should remove the weird spot that shows on the right of the page. How much longer is the search header t... [00:25:12] 10Math, 10Mathoid, 7Accessibility: The characters "set minus", "parallel to" (and maybe "divides") should be used in appropriate context - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105315#1464463 (10Physikerwelt) p:5Triage>3Normal [00:26:13] 10Math, 10Mathoid, 7Accessibility: The MathML code for \not should not use hack - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105311#1464465 (10Physikerwelt) p:5Triage>3Normal [00:26:55] 10Math, 10Mathoid, 7Accessibility: Need a way to generate MathML for contour/surface/volume integrals - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105310#1464468 (10Physikerwelt) p:5Triage>3Normal [00:28:13] 10Mathoid: MathML: "TeX parse error: Double subscripts: use braces to clarify" - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78518#1464471 (10Physikerwelt) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Physikerwelt Should be fixed by now. [00:28:49] (03PS5) 10Physikerwelt: Only use opacity=0 to hide the MathML so that it works in touch screen mode [extensions/Math] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167019 (owner: 10Frédéric Wang) [00:30:02] (03CR) 10Physikerwelt: "I'm not really sure how to proceed with this patchset. I have little information about the intention of the patch" [extensions/Math] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/167019 (owner: 10Frédéric Wang) [00:34:33] 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Add exception in robots.txt to allow the Internet Archiver to index action=raw - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T64494#1464476 (10Krenair) Isn't action=raw legacy and deprecated? T39745 makes it seem so. [00:37:48] (03PS1) 10Nikerabbit: Make query_aggregator timings back in results [extensions/Translate] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225837 [00:38:13] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464479 (10Physikerwelt) >>! In T99369#1464458, @DavidEppstein wrote: If your solution is "X with fallback to Y" then the actual default is Y, and X is just... [00:52:00] 10CirrusSearch, 6Discovery: Search on en.wikipedia returns a page twice (one up to date, the other one out of date) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106283#1464481 (10MZMcBride) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&fulltext=Search&search=%22the+well+ordered+withdrawal... [00:52:14] 10MediaWiki-RfCs: RfC: Extension management with Composer - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T467#1464482 (10daniel) @Nikerabbit: the decision is to not use composer to //register// components. That is, composer's autoload feature should not be used to execute an extension's entry. Composer can and //should// b... [00:52:57] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464485 (10SalixAlba) Lets look at the difference in rendering between the different modes. {F199505} I've taken the same part of Help formula in the 4 main... [00:54:43] (03PS1) 10Nikerabbit: Use QueryAggregator with TTMServer if possible [extensions/Translate] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225838 [01:02:10] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464490 (10DavidEppstein) @Physikerwelt: What you are actually proposing is "MathML with fallback to SVG with fallback to PNG" and many more users than just... [01:05:29] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464493 (10Ozob) Given that Chrome simply does not support MathML, has not supported it for years, and is not likely to support it for years more, MathML is... [01:06:17] 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2015, 10Wikimedia-SVG-rendering, 5Patch-For-Review: Colorable SVG - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106240#1464494 (10MZMcBride) File inclusion syntax is already pretty rough. Typically we've been hesitant to extend it. Maybe the Parsoid folks will want to weigh in here. I'm not sur... [01:27:14] 10Sentry: Login integration for Sentry - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97133#1464495 (10Sitic) They seem to be in the process of moving away from python/django-social-auth and implemented their own generic auth system in [src/sentry/auth](https://github.com/getsentry/sentry/tree/master/src/sentry/auth), se... [01:41:14] 10MediaWiki-extensions-CentralNotice, 10Wikimedia-Extension-setup, 7user-notice: Uninstall UserDailyContribs extension from Wikimedia wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85984#1464496 (10whym) >>! In T85984#1463905, @Glaisher wrote: >>>! In T85984#1463898, @ori wrote: >> The API module provided by the... [01:49:04] (03CR) 10Polybuildr: "Looks good overall, let's run tests." [tools/codesniffer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/224648 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101872) (owner: 10Galorefitz) [01:50:27] (03CR) 10Polybuildr: "recheck" [tools/codesniffer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/224648 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101872) (owner: 10Galorefitz) [01:55:02] (03CR) 10jenkins-bot: [V: 04-1] Sniff to check for space in single line comments [tools/codesniffer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/224648 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101872) (owner: 10Galorefitz) [01:55:20] 10Vector, 7Design: Site logo should be present on Vector's responsive design - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106281#1464499 (10Legoktm) @harej and I briefly discussed this today, and how the implementation on Wikimedia DC's wiki has a different logo. Maybe we can do something that is like a reverse of `$w... [02:00:40] (03PS1) 10Legoktm: Mark ApiUserDailyContribs as deprecated [extensions/UserDailyContribs] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225839 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85984) [02:01:54] (03CR) 10Legoktm: [C: 04-1] "Needs rebase :(" [extensions/Scribunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160605 (owner: 10Jackmcbarn) [02:04:31] (03CR) 10Polybuildr: "Minor indentation issue on line 47 of the sniff." [tools/codesniffer] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/224648 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T101872) (owner: 10Galorefitz) [02:06:13] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464503 (10Dginev) @DavidEppstein > MathML is not useful as a markup language because it is so horrible for humans to write and all actual mathematicians use... [02:06:17] (03CR) 10Ori.livneh: [C: 032] Mark ApiUserDailyContribs as deprecated [extensions/UserDailyContribs] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225839 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85984) (owner: 10Legoktm) [02:06:35] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Mark ApiUserDailyContribs as deprecated [extensions/UserDailyContribs] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225839 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85984) (owner: 10Legoktm) [02:09:33] 6Project-Creators, 10WikiProject-X: Create project for wikiproject X - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106297#1464507 (10Legoktm) 5Open>3Resolved a:3Legoktm [02:09:39] 6Project-Creators, 10WikiProject-X: Create project for wikiproject X - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106297#1464079 (10Legoktm) Created! [02:17:10] (03PS5) 10Jackmcbarn: Check content model instead of title [extensions/Scribunto] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/160605 [02:23:35] 6operations, 7Database, 5Patch-For-Review: db1022 duplicate key errors - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105879#1464512 (10Springle) @jcrespo, ouch, so maybe something is broken in our physical backup process (was it xtrabackup?) that required the SQL_SLAVE_SKIP_COUNTER after reinstall on 2015-06-29? Scar... [02:30:55] 6operations, 7Database: prepare for mariadb 10.0 masters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105135#1464514 (10Springle) [02:38:19] 6operations, 7Database: prepare for mariadb 10.0 masters - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105135#1464517 (10Springle) All s1-7 slaves are now 10.0. >>! In T105135#1437745, @jcrespo wrote: >> Which shard should we do first? > All shards are production, doesn't matter. The important thing is having a plan t... [02:39:13] 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Move wiki.toolserver.org to WMF - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62220#1464520 (10Krenair) Wait, so why don't we just set something up in labs? [02:48:12] 6Commons, 10Wikimania-Hackathon-2015: Surfacing image content gap on Wikipedia - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100088#1464522 (10PierreSelim) So I'm starting a new branch which aims at creating a webapp to command the bot (basically queueing work to do). [02:48:33] 10pywikibot-core: pywikipedia.org down? - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106311#1464523 (10Legoktm) 3NEW [02:49:27] 6operations, 7Database: m1-master switch from db1001 to db1016 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106312#1464530 (10Springle) 3NEW [02:49:56] 6operations, 7Database: m1-master switch from db1001 to db1016 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106312#1464537 (10Springle) [02:50:25] 10MediaWiki-extensions-CentralNotice, 10Wikimedia-Extension-setup, 5Patch-For-Review, 7user-notice: Uninstall UserDailyContribs extension from Wikimedia wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85984#1464539 (10Legoktm) ``` legoktm@terbium:~$ mwgrep pastyearseditcount (total: 0, shown: 0) legoktm@terbium... [02:52:38] 10MediaWiki-extensions-CentralNotice, 10Wikimedia-Extension-setup, 5Patch-For-Review, 7user-notice: Uninstall UserDailyContribs extension from Wikimedia wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85984#1464540 (10Legoktm) ``` legoktm@terbium:~$ mwgrep userdailycontribs --user enwiki User:Bardi... [02:56:42] (03PS1) 10Alex Monk: Disable a bunch of extensions on loginwiki/votewiki [mediawiki-config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225840 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61702) [02:57:40] 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 5Patch-For-Review: Examine which extensions are installed on login.wikimedia.org (loginwiki) and vote.wikimedia.org (votewiki) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61702#1464545 (10Krenair) [03:01:30] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464548 (10Ozob) >>! In T99369#1464503, @Dginev wrote: >And you can install the MathJaX extension for your browser of choice, as mentioned earlier, nothing p... [03:02:11] (03PS2) 10Alex Monk: Disable a bunch of extensions on loginwiki/votewiki [mediawiki-config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225840 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61702) [03:08:04] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464549 (10DavidEppstein) Re: //Additionally, it sounds to me like you would prefer to remove TeX support altogether. Please reassure me that I'm misinterpre... [03:10:13] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464550 (10Dginev) > What you are saying is that developer convenience trumps user experience. It is nigh impossible for a user to edit MathML by hand. Any u... [03:10:23] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464552 (10TakuyaMurata) It is worth pointing out that MathML seems to have failed to get caught on as a markup language. This is probably unfortunate; I can... [03:15:22] (03PS1) 10Gnosygnu: v2.7.3.1 [xowa] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225841 [03:16:18] (03CR) 10Gnosygnu: [C: 032 V: 032] "approving own commit for v2.7.3" [xowa] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225841 (owner: 10Gnosygnu) [03:19:07] 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 5Patch-For-Review: Examine which extensions are installed on login.wikimedia.org (loginwiki) and vote.wikimedia.org (votewiki) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61702#1464553 (10Krenair) Also, probably don't need these * Interwiki * OAIRepository * Random root page * SiteMatrix *... [03:22:56] 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7Tracking: Malayalam Wiki Projects [Tracking] - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58295#1464559 (10Krenair) [03:22:58] 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Rename namespace module to Malayalam in Malayalam language wikis - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56951#1464555 (10Krenair) 5Open>3stalled [03:22:59] 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 7I18n: Reinstate namespace aliases on ml sites - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T60074#1464557 (10Krenair) [03:24:09] (03CR) 10Alex Monk: "Hoo man: Ping." [mediawiki-config] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/118654 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58169) (owner: 10Gerrit Patch Uploader) [03:25:45] (03CR) 10Mr. Stradivarius: Use the new registration format (031 comment) [extensions/PageBlock] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225729 (owner: 10Mr. Stradivarius) [03:26:00] (03PS2) 10Mr. Stradivarius: Use the new registration format [extensions/PageBlock] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225729 [03:31:11] 6Editing-Department, 10MediaWiki-extensions-CentralAuth, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GettingStarted, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7user-notice: On Wikimedia sites, the post-account-creation page (with 'welcomecreation-msg', etc.) is never shown - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106286#1464564 (10Legoktm... [03:33:05] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464566 (10Dginev) > What you are saying is that developer convenience trumps user experience. I'll address this separately and then stop, since I am starti... [03:33:50] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464568 (10waldyrious) Has [KaTeX](http://khan.github.io/KaTeX/) been considered? Could it be easier to integrate than MathJax? [03:36:18] 10Wikimedia-Site-requests, 5Patch-For-Review: Examine which extensions are installed on login.wikimedia.org (loginwiki) and vote.wikimedia.org (votewiki) - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T61702#1464570 (10Legoktm) >>! In T61702#1464553, @Krenair wrote: > * UserMerge Necessary for global user merge. > * Ab... [03:37:16] (03CR) 10Legoktm: Use the new registration format (031 comment) [extensions/PageBlock] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225729 (owner: 10Mr. Stradivarius) [03:37:33] 10Wikimedia-Site-requests: Apply editing rate limits for all users - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56515#1464572 (10Krenair) Maybe we should reconsider who we hand out noratelimit to? Do we want to announce this change? [03:37:34] (03CR) 10Legoktm: "recheck" [extensions/PageBlock] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225729 (owner: 10Mr. Stradivarius) [03:38:39] (03CR) 10Legoktm: [C: 032] Use the new registration format [extensions/PageBlock] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225729 (owner: 10Mr. Stradivarius) [03:38:52] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: Use the new registration format [extensions/PageBlock] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/225729 (owner: 10Mr. Stradivarius) [03:42:41] (03CR) 10GWicke: "Ping!" [puppet] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/219253 (owner: 10GWicke) [03:47:27] 6Editing-Department, 10MediaWiki-extensions-CentralAuth, 10MediaWiki-extensions-GettingStarted, 10Wikimedia-General-or-Unknown, 7user-notice: On Wikimedia sites, the post-account-creation page (with 'welcomecreation-msg', etc.) is never shown - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T106286#1464574 (10Legoktm... [03:50:18] 10Math, 5Patch-For-Review, 5WMF-deploy-2015-07-21_(1.26wmf15), 7user-notice: Remove MathJax rendering mode - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T99369#1464575 (10DavidEppstein) How could anything be easier to integrate than MathJax? One line in your html suffices for the simplest uses: