[13:57:02] (03PS1) 10UltrasonicNXT: users should be able to chat by default [extensions/MediaWikiChat] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/331852 [14:00:42] (03CR) 10UltrasonicNXT: [C: 032] users should be able to chat by default [extensions/MediaWikiChat] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/331852 (owner: 10UltrasonicNXT) [14:01:52] (03Merged) 10jenkins-bot: users should be able to chat by default [extensions/MediaWikiChat] - 10https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/331852 (owner: 10UltrasonicNXT) [18:30:46] ashley: found a gem http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/Why_Fandom_Evolves:_A_Look_Ahead_in_2017 [18:31:37] (and if you're wondering, i'm sick so i'm home right now, so not at school :P ) [19:24:16] heh, hi SamanthaNguyen :) [19:25:31] Hey :) how are ya doing? [20:18:49] pretty good, thanks; coughing a bit but otherwise OK (if we ignore MW giving me a headache, that is) [20:20:19] I replied to your suggestion on http://www.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Forum:Set_up_a_process_for_requesting_adoption_of_wikis , btw :-) [20:22:45] heheh yeah, MW can do that [20:22:58] also thanks! I'll check it out and write a reply [20:29:57] replied [20:35:02] your suggestion of not being blocked on any SW site sounds good at least in theory, but I'm not sure how practical it'd be to implement. we'd essentially be running into the problem we always do with global tools -- there's no scalable way to check if a user is blocked on a wiki, so it'd require a new extension and a new DB table, and while that's doable, I have a feeling ops would veto it.... [20:35:04] ...besides that technical aspect, there's the social one -- some wikis have admins which are simply too trigger-happy. I don't think that this is a *huge* issue on ShoutWiki, at least yet, but suffice to say that we had to implement [[mw:Extension:StaffPowers]] on SW because people kept blocking us (staff) for doing our work (deleting spam/vandalism pages) [20:37:15] Yeah, I was afraid of that :-( (the trigger-happy thing) I haven't been able to create a rule that could be reasonable for checking whether or not a user is trustworthy enough to be able to adopt a wiki [20:37:36] Maybe the current rules are already enough for determining that though? [20:43:08] aye; I'd argue that the bigger problem is that we don't have enough users adopting abandoned sites ;-) we have some great -- well, *potentially* great! -- sites like the Dark Angel Wiki (darkangel) or the Veronica Mars Wiki (veronicamars) which have been abandoned for a long, long time... [20:43:28] (I love both shows but these days I just don't seem to find enough time to _edit_ wikis :-/) [20:46:59] Ah yes, I do check ShoutWiki Hub daily and it's usually a ghost town (if we're ignoring stuff like spambots and the block log) [20:48:39] Any ways we could help make it more discoverable, or to encourage users to contribute? [20:49:19] One way I'm thinking is that we can put a section about adopting on the main page (this is what most people look at, and shoutwiki.com redirects to shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page) [20:53:33] aye, that sounds like a good idea; mind you, the whole main page needs redesigning, so there's also that :P [20:54:29] heheh, agreed :P [20:54:50] I saw that there was an open ticket on improving ShoutWiki's homepage, I think it discussed the idea of a splash page? [20:56:57] maybe, can't remember offhand; anyway, the current home page -- which is also the starter design, which may further confuse users -- dates back to 2008 or so [20:59:52] oh dear [21:00:19] out of everything there is, designing a main page is the most difficult thing [21:05:13] well, now you can see why the current design dates back to 2008 :p [21:25:18] ashley: haha [21:25:27] I'll try to write up some thoughts on the ticket later [21:26:10] there it is! https://phabricator.shoutwiki.com/T67 [21:28:25] I might end up joining the #shoutwiki channel and see what people think [21:39:32] SamanthaNguyen: have you considered getting an IRC cloak so that you can be set to +v in this channel? [21:40:26] I've considered getting a mediawiki cloak but that requires +2 rights for core (I think?), so probably wikimedia cloak, althoguh that requires contributing to multiple Wikimedia projects (which I haven't done) [21:40:43] Well actually I guess not, since ashley has a mediawiki cloak [21:46:20] I'll try /wikimedia anyways