[00:30:31] SamanthaNguyen: yo [00:30:58] On your visualchanges demo are the controls supposed to be all aligned to the left because they seem to be all over the place https://supload.com/r1QFFUlIe [00:30:59] hey george o/ whats up? [00:31:39] oh yeah I forgot to add a fix for that (i encountered it a while ago on FF but forgot), let me add it real quick [00:32:05] Also for the IP edits there shouldn't be a thank option on the edit [00:32:43] And yeah I'm on Chrome [00:32:52] What browser do you develop on [00:33:38] chrome (although I do try to test on multiple, obviously I forget to do that from time to time however :P ) [00:33:55] ah [00:36:06] should be fixed now, thanks for the pull request btw [00:37:05] looks good [00:38:14] SamanthaNguyen: is the hidden revision thing supposed to be centered though? it's slightly off center for me at least https://supload.com/rkPUoLeIg [00:39:17] Hmm, looks like it's a few pixels off (which is not intentional) [00:39:42] like 10% off or so [00:42:00] a vertical-align: middle; should do the trick [00:45:22] ? [00:45:29] but im talking about horizontal alignment [00:46:35] I'm not sure I can tell then [00:49:09] Oh okay I see now, I'll adjust accordingly [00:51:07] refresh? [00:52:38] BRB (if you want, you can submit another pull request, because I'm not sure I can see it :P then when I come back I'll review it and prob merge it) [00:55:57] https://supload.com/SJuFJvgLl [00:57:23] refreshed and now the only difference is the display of the blue button https://supload.com/HyKylveIg [00:57:29] alignment has not chagned [01:09:14] hmm [01:11:21] Ohh, you were talking about the hide revision message, I thought you were referring to the icon for the hide revision action (the crossed-out eye), sorry, misunderstanding [01:13:50] anyways, yeah, that's pretty weird.. https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4723983/21755248/6f13a426-d5d6-11e6-91df-8ec7596038c6.png It seems centered to me [01:13:58] I'm using the same browser as you [01:16:20] that still doesn't seem to be perfectly centered with the pagination [01:16:24] in your screenshot [01:16:31] I'll go check on my other computer as well in a sec [01:17:57] OK [01:24:33] Weird it's perfectly centered it seems on my other computer https://supload.com/SycmUvl8g [01:24:54] Both using chrome [01:25:19] same version as well? [01:25:22] yeah [01:25:25] Only difference is screen resolution and device [01:25:35] huh, odd [01:25:47] brb lemme try different os on this computer [01:33:42] https://supload.com/HJh4dPg8g [01:33:55] idk it doesn't look centered to me [01:34:19] maybe im just crazy [01:36:01] i think it's just some visual perception thing [01:37:10] the hidden revision message has text-align: center; applied to it, along with the pagination [01:38:08] idk [01:38:46] it looks centered on my desktop, it looks close to center on mac, but on windows on laptop it looks far off [01:39:32] yeah..that's weird [01:39:50] I'll write up a ticket on the github repo so I won't forget it [01:40:13] (it might end up being closed as WONTFIX in the future, just depends) [01:40:31] that works [01:40:39] have you tried out https://testmysite.thinkwithgoogle.com with refreshed [01:41:25] Nope, I'll do that right now [01:44:18] (stuck at 98% currently) [01:44:24] that reminds me of another site, http://material.io/resizer/ [01:45:44] https://github.com/SamanthaNguyen/mediawiki-demo-VisualChanges/issues/10 I think I missed a few screenshots, could you add them as a comment on the ticket? [01:47:36] done [01:48:15] ty [01:48:57] just got results: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4723983/21755559/758ceed4-d5db-11e6-95de-aae047f5812b.png [01:49:35] that's worse than our front page score [01:49:46] oh wow [01:50:15] Hmm, it gives a "consider fixing" for "Enable compression", although I thought ResourceLoader already compresses stylesheets and scripts [01:54:37] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader/Features compression is included on here [01:56:16] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4723983/21755627/6e538e06-d5dc-11e6-9da9-c86fe255330d.png [01:59:11] probably means HTTP compression [01:59:36] why don't you sit on wiki chat anymore? [02:01:58] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ no one else is usually there, and also IRC is less laggy for me [02:02:22] also ashley/jack phoenix is usually sitting on IRC as well (like right now), so I'm here too :P [02:04:03] (mwc is still a good extension though, don't get me wrong) [02:04:12] hm okay [02:04:19] i just never come here anymore really [02:04:37] wiki chat seems like an easier place to do wiki chatting lol [02:05:22] ah :P [02:05:55] the time where it's like anyone really comes active is when summer comes around, although that's still a good 5ish months away [02:07:52] i usually spend my time trying to report tickets and fix bugs and improve code (sometimes i just end up looking at code though), so i've kinda gradually stopped editing (i need to get back in the habit though) [02:08:30] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/330107 is what i'm currently working on, which still isn't quite finished yet [02:09:04] gerrit is different than i remember it [02:10:09] really? i don't recall it changing much [02:10:59] (although it /should/ change, the whole site could really do with some UX and UI work) [02:13:25] lol yeah [02:13:28] brb [02:13:33] It won't matter much anyways though, since https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130421 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119908 should be happening eventually this year (in theory), and there's a whole project for this topic: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/gerrit-migration/ [02:13:35] kk [02:15:18] can't wait for code review to be migrated to phab diffusion & differential [02:15:30] yeah i thought that was supposed to happen [02:15:51] according to the two tickets I mentioned above, it should happen this year [02:15:58] (did you get them? I can resend them) [02:16:35] no i did not [02:16:49] lol probably because i accidentally sent it right after you left [02:16:54] yeah [02:17:09] here's the message i sent: "It won't matter much anyways though, since https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130421 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119908 should be happening eventually this year (in theory), and there's a whole project for this topic: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/gerrit-migration/" [02:19:21] I can't really tell whether or not there's progress being made based on the ticket activity, but I'm guessing they've been continually working on the back-end to make it happen (i hope that's the case) [02:24:19] true [02:33:27] have you seen https://wikimedia.github.io/WikimediaUI-Style-Guide/ yet? this is supposed to be a work in progress of Wikimedia's design guidelines, and they used to have Lato as the listed font in the typography section under https://wikimedia.github.io/WikimediaUI-Style-Guide/visual-style.html#typography, although it looks like they removed it [02:34:27] yep, https://github.com/wikimedia/WikimediaUI-Style-Guide/commit/74699872680da97db8253b31e4d221da3912eeaf [02:34:32] cant read right now but interesting [02:35:13] why lato i wonder [02:36:44] not sure, although the page used to say "Lato is a sans-serif typeface designed by Łukasz Dziedzic in 2010. Lato provides very good readability even at small sizes." [02:37:02] they also listed a criteria: 'Font selection depends on availability. Fonts are not always available for all scripts or all devices. The criteria for font selection has been the following:" [02:37:37] "Readability. Fonts with a bigger x-height and open shapes are preferred." "Neutral aspect. The font should work with many different kinds of content without adding a particular voice to it." [02:38:06] "Simple shapes. Avoiding complex shapes helps text to work better on small sizes, low-resolution devices and reduces printing costs." and finally "Open. Open source fonts are preferred to align with the open knowledge they deliver." [02:38:10] literally the only reason we ever used lato at brickimedia was it was the first font on google webfonts that was sans serif and readable as wiki body text [02:38:37] that i found [02:38:58] heh, i think i remember you telling me that [02:39:29] i should tell this to MtMNC later, he was interested in finding different fonts for brickimedia as well so he'd probably find that news interesting too [02:39:45] (the news related to the wikimedia style guide typography) [02:43:30] What else have you been working on lately? [02:45:47] hmm..not very interesting stuff, just various patches to various extensions (mainly under the Brickimedia umbrella and Social-Tools umbrella, but I've been branching out recently) [02:46:36] Have you seen Wikia's new discussions platform [02:46:40] http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/d [02:47:42] yep, it got a lot of negative responses to it (i'm not really sure what I think about it, but at least it doesn't look outdated? :P ) [02:47:45] what do you think about it? [02:48:14] idk haven't really explored it much but i think it's cool, but i don't think it's built into mediawiki(?) [02:48:38] it feels like reddit [02:49:37] seems like it is https://github.com/Wikia/app/tree/dev/extensions/wikia/Discussions [02:50:01] hmm yeah it does [02:50:46] the "start a discussion" reminds me of Flow and also Google Plus when you're making a new post [02:51:23] the design of the extension is based on the design guidelines in https://github.com/Wikia/design-system, with it's associated website: http://fandomdesignsystem.com/ [02:53:57] Wikia has a design guide? [02:54:37] Was literally talking with ajr earlier about how we think wikia designers must not get paid very well because the UI of Wikia's skin still hasn't changed in 5 years despite UI updates to the header and footer [02:54:42] only for a couple months [02:55:16] *has only had it for a couple months (in terms of openly publishing their design guidelines) [02:55:30] still using gradient buttons and rounded corners all over the place with square boxes and all sorts of unattractive stuff [02:57:43] oh nvm, looks like they've had it for half a year (inital commit was on 1 june 2016) [02:58:04] yeah [03:00:00] what do you think of wikia's change for their name and logo? [03:00:31] I think it's poorly executed rebranding [03:01:42] yeah it seemed a little random and abrupt [03:02:25] i like the logo at least (and their redesign of their landing/splash page), but the name obv doesn't fit for a lot of wikis under the wikia farm [03:02:46] yeah and they haven't taken the right approach to rebranding [03:04:39] http://recipes.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity what's this now, recipes fandom, powered by wikia? :P [03:05:55] domain name is still the same domain and URL format, so SEO for "Fandom" is not that good. Their SEO for wiki-related searches has gone down. Their brand identity is now confused and they show an inability to find a direction for the brand. The brand is now confusing to visitors. The purpose of the brand is now confusing and shows no direction. etc [03:07:04] google search "wiki" or "wiki hosting" or anything like that and wikia.com is nowhere to be found on any first page results [03:07:21] basically SEO suicide [03:07:58] :o you're right [03:08:17] miraheze, another wiki hosting platform, shows up before wikia [03:08:43] and i've never even heard of that which goes to show wikia made a mistake lol [03:09:01] I also learned today wikia no longer supports any wikis to have custom domains [03:09:35] that made me first think of uncyclopedia and wow [03:09:53] hmm yeah, you're right [03:10:47] memory-alpha.org as well no longer a custom domain [03:11:48] i wonder if they're going to fork off [03:11:56] probably not [03:12:07] no custom domains anymore im sure has hurt some wikis SEO [03:12:12] probably wowwiki the most [03:12:44] true [03:14:03] what do you think of the proposal to move to shoutwiki [03:16:07] i'm fine with it personally (although both sides seem to have convincing arguments) [03:16:28] i cant come to find it worthwhile honestly [03:16:51] brickimedia is far from a perfect wikifarm but imo so is shoutwiki [03:17:42] hmm yeah [03:17:59] I don't think we'd see any real benefit except maybe a tiny bit of backend performance improvement? but as it is our site's not broken except for some bugs [03:18:20] easier to address those bugs than give up our own independent project imo [03:18:41] we do need some reliable servers too (i recall ajr saying he'd pay for new servers? I forgot) [03:19:09] nova asked about that, and lewis answered, but not ajr so far [03:19:13] My main opposition would be the fact that shoutwiki would leave us without any revenue to drive our community's expenses [03:19:16] which was: "This isn't an oppose against the move itself so much as thinking we need to step back and consider all our options, then take it to a vote when everything's been discussed (now that it appears that we have options since it turns out we've got money). Eg, would upgrading to a better server that we can afford fix all our errors? Is it possible to upgrade our version of PHP and how hard w [03:19:39] ould that be for our sysadmins? (with what little experience I have with PHP, I do know it's not just as simple as hitting an "upgrade" button or anything like that). Is there anything we can do to improve our security? Again, I'm not closed off to the idea of moving to ShoutWiki, but I am just a bit worried about us getting locked into a wikifarm again then finding out later that we could have be [03:19:52] better of on our own" [03:20:56] now that our project is showing profitability in 2016 as well, we could take a smarter financial approach and not only improve our systems but also fund more community projects and activities [03:21:34] I've had to ship contest prizes at my expense or at recipient's expense in the past and that shouldn't be necessary honestly [03:21:44] Right, I'm not sure what activities we could do however [03:22:29] Our community should be able to support its activities, including on the technical side and the financial side. Nobody should be incapable of participating in the community's opportunities because of technical issues or financial reasons [03:22:55] With shoutwiki it'd be claimed to solve all the technical issues but would leave us with no financial support [03:23:40] technical side is better now, now that I have access to gerrit (although I'm still not that knowledgeable compared to others, and we could do with more sysadmins) [03:23:52] I agree on that aspect though [03:24:24] Now that we've show profit in 2016 it might be a good goal for 2017 to improve marketing as well [03:24:40] I mean, jack knows what shes doing honestly (IMO), and she's a pretty great sysadmin [03:24:40] Such as paid advertising [03:26:06] right (this would be good if we had more people in the discussion, I'm not great at marketing stuff and financial stuff) [03:27:08] the other admins are older and college students (or at least, I think so?), so I'm guessing they probably have a better grasp of financial management (compared to me, who's still a sophmore) [03:27:27] e.g CJC95 and NovaHawk (not sure about berry) [03:28:06] what activities could we do? I still can't think of any [03:28:19] I do marketing for a living but don't have time to devote here to do that especially voluntarily and with a possible advertising budget as small as ours would be [03:28:31] But that doesn't mean it'd be impossible for someone in the community to step up and do [03:29:12] Yeah, that's true [03:29:22] Do you have any people in mind you'd think would be fit for that? [03:29:26] No [03:29:39] hmm.. [03:30:09] I recently added Brikkyy to the Facebook page but I should probably get in touch with him and give him some advice on some of the practices he's been doing in posts and how to improve them [03:30:53] That'd be a good idea, we need social media management [03:31:35] We should also be putting our content out in more places online [03:31:38] I have no idea how to do that with Facebook and Twitter, I only use Instagram :P [03:32:02] That'd be good [03:32:06] I don't think any of our users are active on forums to link back to our site [03:32:27] We should post links to our site in subreddits and facebook groups as well [03:32:45] maybe we could contact http://www.brothers-brick.com/ ? [03:32:58] what for [03:33:24] get a sponsored link linking to brickimedia [03:33:47] eh that wasnt really what i was getting at [03:33:49] it looks like they have a section for it on the sidebar so I'm guessing it could be potentially possible [03:33:51] oh, oops [03:34:13] its not out of the question or impossible was just talking about other things [03:34:50] ah [03:35:42] like reddit would get us a decent amount of new traffic who likely doesn't already use our site, which is something we need [03:35:51] https://www.reddit.com/r/lego/comments/2c7r0x/bionicle_2015_actually_confirmed_now/ made this post a long time ago on my old reddit account [03:36:27] oh neat, it got 18 comments [03:37:46] and our article got a lot of traffic as well [03:37:54] okay cool, so it does look like it works [03:38:12] i mean i know we get traffic already because there's tons of anons posting feedback through aftv5 [03:38:21] for sure [03:38:21] just not really new accounts [03:38:28] (i'm not sure why) [03:38:37] But a lot of those anons using article feedback are unlikely to become active visitors [03:39:01] that's generally just inbound traffic looking for quick information, not really looking forward to a community [03:39:07] *looking for a community [03:39:16] OK, that makes sense [03:39:41] brickipedia news is a good way to build a community [03:39:57] All it needs is publicity and consistent content [03:40:37] forums and reddit are easy ways to get people to click on brickipedia news and engage with it but we don't post enough for people to come to us or to want to engage [03:40:39] okay, so one of the steps would be giving it more importance on the main page [03:40:56] potentially, but what it really needs is more of it [03:41:33] I don't know that many good sources [03:42:09] * sources for us to find content to write about and post as news [03:42:30] I used to have lists of feeds to follow [03:42:48] lego news is plentiful online, very easy to find and follow current news [03:44:01] OK [03:44:33] I'll try to write up news reports when I can (i should practice anyways, I haven't really done it that often) [03:44:51] once we post more of it on brickipedia, we share it all over, in Facebook groups, on Twitter, in subreddits, in relevant threads on forums like eurobricks and bzpower, etc. Then people click on our link and some will leave a comment. Then some of them will see comments and respond. Just like that a discussion starts. Then those people start coming back to see that discussion. Then they find more discussions to participa [03:45:19] just like that our community and activity begins to grow [03:46:15] that sounds..surprisingly simple? :P [03:47:12] It's just a matter of persistence [03:47:27] Put our name and links out there and people will start to come and some of them will keep coming [03:48:00] And just keep reminding the public of our name and our links and we'll stay on a growth [03:49:11] Brickset, Eurobricks, BZPower, The Brick Fan, various Twitter accounts, etc are good sources to find lego news [03:49:26] okay so: Facebook groups, twitter, subreddits, eurobricks, bzpower, and other places that have communities (e.g brickset forum) for posting stuff [03:49:30] and then those for new sources [03:49:43] I'll have to paste that as a sub userpage so i won't forget [03:49:48] yepp [03:50:26] the Brickipedia twitter account probably already follows a decent selection of feeds for lego related news [03:51:05] you could log in to that and not only tweet our news and articles but find and follow more sources of it to report on our site [03:51:25] oh oops, I think I forgot the password [03:51:50] i used to have it in a text file after I pasted it on notepad which was on my other account on this comp, but I lost access to that account [03:53:26] way back when when I ran the ninjago wiki, twitter was one of the top sources of traffic [03:54:05] and that was back before I knew any marketing strategy of any sort, it was all just about quantity [03:55:01] do you think that still applies today? [03:55:09] sure [03:55:33] of course there's strategies you can use and learn but quantity is still and always will be fundamental for growing anything online [03:55:41] https://twitter.com/NinjagoWiki [03:56:13] scroll past all the @brickipedia retweets because that's all I used that account for after ninjago wiki died and you'll just see a simple approach to twitter marketing [03:57:06] huh, neat [03:58:02] i can't tell whether or not they brought views, but i'm guessing at the time they did? [03:58:10] oh yeah [03:58:21] <link to our site> <hashtags where they fit> [03:58:24] <georgebarnick> simple formula [03:58:39] <georgebarnick> and occasionally just a simple tweet to grab engagement by asking followers a question [03:58:55] <SamanthaNguyen> how could you tell? twitter analytics? or just new accounts and more edits while the twitter account was active? [03:59:06] <SamanthaNguyen> *or you could just see [03:59:07] <georgebarnick> analytics [03:59:12] <SamanthaNguyen> ah kk [03:59:22] <georgebarnick> people click links on social media all the time so all it is is a matter of getting them to see it and give them a reason to click it and you'll get traffic from it [03:59:59] <georgebarnick> hence why clickbait is so effective. doesn't even have to be a site that people have heard of before but if you can get their interest and include a link to your site, it'll bring traffic [04:00:12] <georgebarnick> not that we should start using clickbait titles for articles [04:00:36] <SamanthaNguyen> yeah, i don't want brickipedia to become a buzzfeed-esque source :P [04:01:37] <SamanthaNguyen> we could probably use twitter polls more often too, maybe that'll do something [04:03:47] <georgebarnick> yeah those are engaging [04:04:00] <SamanthaNguyen> did you do the same thing for https://twitter.com/ChimaWiki ? [04:04:40] <georgebarnick> sort of but chima wiki never really took off [04:04:55] <georgebarnick> the site's went offline before chima really even got going [04:04:59] <georgebarnick> sites [04:05:30] <georgebarnick> https://supload.com/HJ59oYg8g here's referral traffic for ninjago wiki even though twitter doesnt place very high on there [04:05:44] <georgebarnick> twitter got good news traffic but not much else [04:06:11] <SamanthaNguyen> ooh, neat [04:06:19] <georgebarnick> For Brickipedia's Twitter I used to do on this day tweets fairly regularly which is an easy way to link to random articles and people maybe click on them [04:07:01] <SamanthaNguyen> do we still use google analytics for Brickipedia? or just QuantCast? [04:07:22] <georgebarnick> lemme check if it's currently tracking [04:07:32] <SamanthaNguyen> kk [04:07:36] <georgebarnick> for a while it was buggy so wasn't used but it may have been re-implemented months ago [04:08:08] <SamanthaNguyen> gotcha [04:09:07] <georgebarnick> No it's not currently tracking any wikis [04:09:18] <georgebarnick> We should re-implement that [04:09:35] <SamanthaNguyen> is there a way to? I'm not sure how [04:10:14] <georgebarnick> Yeah we just have to put tracking codes back in [04:10:40] <SamanthaNguyen> and there's a way to generate those too or get them? [04:10:46] <georgebarnick> yeah [04:10:47] <georgebarnick> There's a google analytics extension we might still use [04:10:58] <georgebarnick> if that's the case it's just some localsettings config [04:11:26] <SamanthaNguyen> alright [04:12:14] <SamanthaNguyen> okay i'm gonna brb real quick, probably be back in 10-15 mins [04:12:26] <georgebarnick> quick unrelated question, why is customs.brickimedia.org still up? [04:12:31] <georgebarnick> is it waiting on anything to be closed? [04:15:51] <georgebarnick> So to re-enable google analytics we'll need to add https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-googleAnalytics back to our extensions repo [04:26:58] <georgebarnick> https://supload.com/SkGhxqeUl here's Brickimedia referral traffic according to google analytics from the periods of time where it was tracking our sites (which hasn't been in over a year except I think our splash page is still tracked) [04:31:15] <SamanthaNguyen> back [04:31:20] <georgebarnick> yo [04:31:41] <SamanthaNguyen> I think there's some tickets on phab that showed blocking stuff which prevents custom from being closed [04:32:59] <SamanthaNguyen> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T141318#2509624 [04:33:31] <SamanthaNguyen> last time I tried to do that in the LocalSettings repo, the site broke [04:33:40] <SamanthaNguyen> I forgot what stuff I missed, but apparently I missed quite a bit [04:33:54] <SamanthaNguyen> *brickimedia as a whole broke [04:35:29] <georgebarnick> https://github.com/Brickimedia/LocalSettings/commit/bafe7aa49535b3f8212ee46a46a812b608fac377 [04:35:36] <georgebarnick> This is all it really takes to close a wiki [04:36:03] <georgebarnick> If everything from customs is imported then it shouldn't have to wait on anything [04:36:35] <SamanthaNguyen> okay, I'll make a pull request [04:36:49] <SamanthaNguyen> and then CC peeps to code review it [04:36:59] <georgebarnick> What do you think of the analytics stuff I linked while you were afk [04:38:48] <SamanthaNguyen> just saw it, it looks pretty interesting, i'm surprised we still get views on meta [04:39:05] <SamanthaNguyen> but I'm guessing it's just because people use it for uploads [04:40:16] <georgebarnick> well all that data is from 2013-2015 [04:40:36] <SamanthaNguyen> ohhh, okay [04:40:43] <SamanthaNguyen> i wonder how different it is now.. [04:41:05] <georgebarnick> do you want to add googleAnalytics extension or should I [04:41:23] <georgebarnick> I can do it I just don't have any repos cloned so it'll take a bit for me to [04:41:49] <SamanthaNguyen> i can clone it [04:42:05] <SamanthaNguyen> let me look at the docs and see what configs need to be added [04:43:03] <georgebarnick> i can do the localsettings config [04:43:07] <SamanthaNguyen> kk [04:43:32] <georgebarnick> all I need is the extension added as a submodule because our extensions repo takes forever to clone [04:43:58] <SamanthaNguyen> err actually, it doesn't look like I have a PuTTY session setup [04:44:20] <SamanthaNguyen> er wait, I can just use Git Bash right? [04:46:45] <SamanthaNguyen> it'll probably be quicker if you do it, since I don't have any of the github repos cloned (mostly because most of them are extensions, which was moved to Gerrit and I already cloned those, just not the specifics like LocalSettings and extensions repo, which I should do, so brb) [04:47:12] <georgebarnick> ah okay then I'll just do it [04:48:24] <SamanthaNguyen> alright [04:49:48] <SamanthaNguyen> huh, you said it took a long time? i just cloned it: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4723983/21757462/b485c7d2-d5f4-11e6-8a03-5d3c54054626.png [04:50:37] <georgebarnick> you have to run git submodule init and git submodule update [04:50:55] <SamanthaNguyen> ah [04:53:01] <SamanthaNguyen> lol we still have UniversalLanguageSelector as a submodule [04:53:30] <SamanthaNguyen> oh btw unrelated thing, but the Material skin is hosted on gerrit now, here's the github mirror: https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Material [04:53:50] <georgebarnick> nice, do you have a live example of it? [04:54:44] <SamanthaNguyen> yeah, http://social-tools.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:CreateAccount?useskin=material (it's in experimental stage, so e.g the header is off because the footer isn't styled yet, need to make it responsive, etc) [04:54:48] <georgebarnick> Oh googleAnalytics is still in extensions too, I didn't see it at first because it's all the way at the bottom [04:55:13] <georgebarnick> looking kinda cool though [04:55:15] <SamanthaNguyen> oh okay good [04:55:21] <SamanthaNguyen> thanks! [04:55:30] <georgebarnick> are you removing customs rn or should i [04:56:41] <SamanthaNguyen> I will (or try to), and then I'll submit as a pull request [04:58:53] <georgebarnick> alright [05:01:17] <SamanthaNguyen> https://github.com/Brickimedia/LocalSettings/pull/17 [05:01:22] <github-bm> [13LocalSettings] 15SamanthaNguyen opened pull request #17: Remove Customs from the Brickimedia farm (06master...06master) 02https://git.io/vMWSc [05:01:37] <SamanthaNguyen> oh yeah new thing, they added reviewers as a thing to github [05:01:51] <SamanthaNguyen> along with workboards (which they call projects) [05:05:42] <github-bm> [13DeepSea] 15SamanthaNguyen pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vMWSK [05:05:42] <github-bm> 13DeepSea/06master 14afd6da0 15Samantha Nguyen: mark repo as defunct [05:06:57] <github-bm> [13GlobalContribs] 15SamanthaNguyen pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vMWSi [05:06:57] <github-bm> 13GlobalContribs/06master 14ac9f73e 15Samantha Nguyen: mark repo as defunct [05:07:42] <github-bm> [13Snippet] 15SamanthaNguyen pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vMWSM [05:07:42] <github-bm> 13Snippet/06master 14df3a956 15Samantha Nguyen: mark repo as defunct [05:08:27] <github-bm> [13LocalSettings] 15georgebarnick closed pull request #17: Remove Customs from the Brickimedia farm (06master...06master) 02https://git.io/vMWSc [05:08:52] <georgebarnick> can we turn those defunct repos into mirrors of gerrit repos? [05:10:25] <SamanthaNguyen> ? theres mirrors already existing [05:10:38] <georgebarnick> what [05:10:53] <SamanthaNguyen> e.g https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Refreshed [05:11:18] <SamanthaNguyen> I'm not sure I understand your question [05:11:54] <georgebarnick> oh yeah true [05:11:55] <georgebarnick> lol [05:11:59] <SamanthaNguyen> "Github mirror of MediaWiki skin Refreshed - our actual code is hosted with Gerrit (please see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_access for contributing)" [05:12:01] <SamanthaNguyen> yeah :P [05:12:12] <georgebarnick> I was thinking have a mirror identical to that under the Brickimedia account [05:12:19] <georgebarnick> but would be pretty redundant I guess [05:12:31] <SamanthaNguyen> ah, yeah it would [05:15:37] <github-bm> [13LocalSettings] 15georgebarnick pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vMWSb [05:15:37] <github-bm> 13LocalSettings/06master 14339b635 15George Barnick: Adding Google Analytics tracking [05:16:39] <SamanthaNguyen> yay ty [05:16:53] <SamanthaNguyen> btw will be on only for a little bit more then i gotta sleep cuz school [05:17:11] <georgebarnick> alright [05:17:13] <georgebarnick> https://supload.com/S1Q029x8l its working [05:17:28] <SamanthaNguyen> ooh neat [05:17:29] <georgebarnick> if you have a google email i can grant you access to the google analytics [05:17:36] <SamanthaNguyen> i'll pm you it [05:18:12] <SamanthaNguyen> lol i'm the one viewing RC right now [05:19:36] <georgebarnick> Want to make a pull request to close ideas as well? [05:19:36] <SamanthaNguyen> okay good, customs can't be accessed anymore [05:19:40] <georgebarnick> yep [05:19:53] <SamanthaNguyen> I can do that real quick [05:22:51] <SamanthaNguyen> lol i forgot we have IRC channels for the other sites on brickimedia [05:23:00] <SamanthaNguyen> (besides brickipedia) [05:23:35] <SamanthaNguyen> hmm wait do we want a backup of the site or nah [05:24:50] <github-bm> [13splash] 15georgebarnick pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vMW9Y [05:24:50] <github-bm> 13splash/06master 1478bb964 15George Barnick: Adding Google Analytics tracking [05:25:01] <georgebarnick> nothing needs to be backed up [05:25:09] <georgebarnick> database is still there after the wiki is closed [05:25:25] <georgebarnick> And NXT's backup management will continue to serve it [05:25:28] <SamanthaNguyen> kk [05:25:52] <SamanthaNguyen> lmao almost accidentally deleted LocalSettings.php in my fork [05:26:34] <georgebarnick> lol dont do that [05:26:38] <georgebarnick> our splash page is basically pointless nowadays [05:27:13] <github-bm> [13LocalSettings] 15SamanthaNguyen opened pull request #18: Remove Ideas from the Brickimedia farm (06master...06master) 02https://git.io/vMW9n [05:28:32] <SamanthaNguyen> agreed [05:28:41] <SamanthaNguyen> we should probably do something with it though [05:28:53] <github-bm> [13LocalSettings] 15georgebarnick pushed 6 new commits to 06master: 02https://git.io/vMW94 [05:28:53] <github-bm> 13LocalSettings/06master 149d901c2 15Samantha Nguyen: Delete LocalSettings_ideas.php [05:28:53] <github-bm> 13LocalSettings/06master 146fd38ec 15Samantha Nguyen: Update LocalSettings_en.php [05:28:53] <github-bm> 13LocalSettings/06master 145fc0073 15Samantha Nguyen: Update LocalSettings_gbc.php [05:29:48] <github-bm> [13LocalSettings] 15georgebarnick pushed 1 new commit to 06master: 02https://git.io/vMW9E [05:29:48] <github-bm> 13LocalSettings/06master 149406d2a 15George Barnick: Removing outdated code for closed wikis [05:30:21] <SamanthaNguyen> okay good, ideas can't be accessed anymore which means it worked [05:30:33] <georgebarnick> is en.brickimedia.org going to be the last brickimedia project on that domain (so not gbc included) [05:30:49] <georgebarnick> after meta is gone? [05:31:55] <SamanthaNguyen> yeah [05:32:13] <SamanthaNguyen> unless if we decide gbc.brickimedia.org will be the main site for GBCW, but right now it's greatballcontraption.com [05:32:20] <SamanthaNguyen> gbc.brickimedia.org is just a redirect AFAIK [05:32:27] <georgebarnick> it'll stay greatballcontraption.com [05:32:43] <georgebarnick> it was greatballcontraption.com long before we hosted it [05:33:24] <SamanthaNguyen> gotcha [05:33:28] <SamanthaNguyen> so brickipedia will be the only one [05:33:33] <georgebarnick> I'd suggest reworking the whole brickimedia.org domain if that's the case. *.brickimedia.org$1 could be redirected to en.brickimedia.org$1 [05:33:51] <georgebarnick> or en.brickimedia.org could be moved to www.brickimedia.org [05:34:10] <georgebarnick> or we could redirect all of brickimedia.org to a new domain like brickipedia.com [05:34:14] <SamanthaNguyen> i'm cool with either, the latter sounds good though [05:34:20] <SamanthaNguyen> *latter as in second [05:34:36] <georgebarnick> which would be the best but brickipedia.com is not in the public market [05:34:37] <SamanthaNguyen> third i'm not sure about - from what I remember on an old meta forum, that costs about 400 bucks [05:34:46] <georgebarnick> which isn't a lot [05:35:36] <SamanthaNguyen> how much money does Brickipedia have right now? [05:36:04] <SamanthaNguyen> I thought I remembered Ajraddataz posting financial data about that but I can't find it [05:36:34] <SamanthaNguyen> oh okay nevermind, http://en.brickimedia.org/wiki/Brickipedia:Financial_reports [05:38:37] <SamanthaNguyen> so we'd have about $164 dollars left, and I'm not sure spending $400 for a new domain is a good idea [05:39:02] <georgebarnick> considering that's $164 more than we've had any other year we've been in existence that's fine [05:39:14] <georgebarnick> 2016 was the first year that brickimedia was profitable [05:40:40] <SamanthaNguyen> oh huh, didn't know that [05:41:09] <SamanthaNguyen> you'd think SEO would improve if we switched to that domain? [05:41:33] <georgebarnick> very much so [05:41:50] <georgebarnick> as would recognizability [05:42:17] <georgebarnick> brickipedia.com woud be much more recognizable than lego.wikia.com [05:42:27] <georgebarnick> and more than en.brickimedia.org [05:42:54] <georgebarnick> If someone is looking for Brickipedia which one of those 3 domains looks most like what they're looking for? [05:42:59] <georgebarnick> brickipedia.com obviously [05:43:18] <georgebarnick> 99% of lego fans still don't know the difference between brickimedia and brickipedia, or that there even is a difference [05:43:22] <SamanthaNguyen> right, makes sense [05:43:40] <SamanthaNguyen> and then we'd (in theory) generate much more income [05:43:47] <georgebarnick> likely [05:43:59] <SamanthaNguyen> sounds like a good proposal for Brickipedia:Forum [05:44:16] <georgebarnick> go for it [05:49:52] <SamanthaNguyen> http://en.brickimedia.org/wiki/Brickipedia:Forum#Proposal_to_move_domain_to_brickipedia.com_as_well_as_buy_it [05:50:50] <SamanthaNguyen> huh, i wonder how i broke brickimedia when I tried to customs way before [05:50:58] <SamanthaNguyen> i was probably just being dumb lol [05:51:12] <SamanthaNguyen> that took what, 5 mins? [05:52:28] <SamanthaNguyen> oh we gained a new, persistent and active contributor btw, named User:Fischkiste ( http://en.brickimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Fischkiste ), this person's been editing for a while now [05:53:13] <georgebarnick> sweet [05:53:22] <georgebarnick> they only seem to come on every once in a while though [05:53:39] <georgebarnick> quite a nice quantity of contributions though [05:53:44] <georgebarnick> where'd they find us from? [05:54:29] <SamanthaNguyen> no idea, Ive posted on their talk page like a thanks message a while ago, no response [05:54:38] <georgebarnick> hm [05:58:04] <SamanthaNguyen> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [06:01:13] <SamanthaNguyen> oh, hm https://flippa.com/5447307-brickipedia-com [06:01:30] <SamanthaNguyen> yeah lol oops didn't know it worked as a bid [06:04:02] <SamanthaNguyen> minimal offer is $1.2k [06:04:14] <georgebarnick> yeah it's ridiculous [06:04:52] <georgebarnick> but it's been cybersquatted for like 8 years now [06:05:08] <georgebarnick> honestly we need to just buy it and own it [06:07:14] <SamanthaNguyen> huh wait a minute, for some reason peterpoulton sounds familiar [06:07:43] <SamanthaNguyen> I thought I recall browsing through extensions and seeing peterpoulton as an author, as well as a user on phab (idk, maybe i'm just going crazy) [06:08:47] <georgebarnick> i think you're crazy [06:09:14] <SamanthaNguyen> yeah, prob [06:09:29] <georgebarnick> https://supload.com/ry7zFox8x [06:10:25] <SamanthaNguyen> oh lol [06:12:54] <georgebarnick> lol [06:14:11] <SamanthaNguyen> btw a while ago I updated the donate extension so it doesn't have as much outdated code https://github.com/SamanthaNguyen/mediawiki-extensions-Donate [06:14:32] <SamanthaNguyen> hmm let's see, about 5-6 months ago [06:15:04] <georgebarnick> is it pushed to the server? [06:15:22] <SamanthaNguyen> it should work and if-not I can ask ashley to perform a code review since she's good at that :P [06:15:36] <SamanthaNguyen> nah, brickimedia is still using the donate extension inside brickimedia/extensions [06:15:44] <georgebarnick> https://github.com/SamanthaNguyen/mediawiki-extensions-Donate/blob/master/assets/donate-callout.png should be converted to css but i used an image because i was lazy [06:16:04] <georgebarnick> In preparation of Meta being closed, Donate should be enabled on Brickipedia as well [06:16:07] <SamanthaNguyen> i was considering requesting it to pushed to be hosted on gerrit, would you be fine if I did? [06:16:11] <SamanthaNguyen> it already is actually [06:16:21] <SamanthaNguyen> http://en.brickimedia.org/wiki/Special:Donate [06:16:41] <SamanthaNguyen> lol it's one of those temporary solutions [06:16:50] <georgebarnick> there's no point hosting on gerrit because it's brickimedia specific [06:17:03] <georgebarnick> nobody wants an extension that pays ajr's paypal [06:17:40] <SamanthaNguyen> lol [06:17:55] <SamanthaNguyen> well we could make it non-specific like we did with other extensions and skins e.g Refreshed [06:21:18] <SamanthaNguyen> idk, just another suggestion [06:21:20] <georgebarnick> would require a major overhaul before it got to a point where it would be worthwhile on gerrit [06:21:34] <georgebarnick> basically just have to rewrite and redesign it entirely [06:23:03] <SamanthaNguyen> mm yeah [06:23:35] <SamanthaNguyen> oops well I forgot, so ashley imported a paypal extension a while ago, which is at https://github.com/mary-kate/paypal [06:23:59] <georgebarnick> i think we should just hijack peter poulton's domains and redirect them all to brickipedia [06:24:26] <SamanthaNguyen> "MediaWiki PayPal extension written by Trevor Ian Peacock in 2007" (so, obviously outdated and dysfunctional lol but at least there's an extension) [06:24:43] <SamanthaNguyen> lol i'd like to see how that'd turn out [06:24:49] <georgebarnick> reminds me of this gem in the automotive industry from last november http://i.imgur.com/ByjpS5A.png [06:25:43] <georgebarnick> https://www.theturboforums.com/images/imported/2016/11/2yy7fiv-1.png [06:25:45] <SamanthaNguyen> lmao that's great [06:26:11] <SamanthaNguyen> haha [06:26:16] <georgebarnick> savage [06:27:06] <georgebarnick> https://supload.com/BymETseUx 10/10 text alignment [06:28:23] <SamanthaNguyen> (y) [06:28:59] <SamanthaNguyen> a simple background, border-radius, the use of the before psuedo selector, and some basic padding and margin stuff should make it work [06:29:35] <georgebarnick> yea [06:29:47] <SamanthaNguyen> definitely changing the triangle size, radius and color though, looks really out of date lol [06:30:09] <georgebarnick> honestly could use a whole redesign/rewrite of the page lol [06:30:27] <georgebarnick> maybe look at how other organizations handle donations and follow that style [06:30:49] <SamanthaNguyen> lol it's using a table [06:30:58] <georgebarnick> https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/contribute [06:30:59] <SamanthaNguyen> *table element to format the special page [06:31:03] <georgebarnick> https://donate.mozilla.org/en-US/ [06:32:16] <SamanthaNguyen> do we have to use https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/btn/btn_donateCC_LG.gif ? [06:32:24] <SamanthaNguyen> it looks silly [06:33:45] <georgebarnick> no [06:34:17] <georgebarnick> https://piwik.org/donate/ [06:34:24] <georgebarnick> so many better donation pages out there [06:35:09] <georgebarnick> https://payments.wikimedia.org/index.php?title=Special:PaypalLegacyGateway&appeal=JimmyQuote&ffname=paypal&recurring=¤cy=USD&gateway=paypal&uselang=&utm_medium=Waystogive&utm_campaign=C11_Waystogive&utm_source=Waystogive [06:35:21] <georgebarnick> https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:FundraiserLandingPage&country=US&uselang=en&utm_medium=spontaneous&utm_source=fr-redir&utm_campaign=spontaneous [06:38:00] <georgebarnick> http://en.brickimedia.org/wiki/Brickipedia:Forum#Discussion you made a typo here saying $4000 [06:38:01] <SamanthaNguyen> agreed [06:38:15] <SamanthaNguyen> looks like there's already a much more fully fledged donate extension, https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-DonationInterface [06:38:18] <SamanthaNguyen> oh lmao [06:39:04] <SamanthaNguyen> fixed [06:41:05] <georgebarnick> yeah maybe we can use that [06:42:06] <georgebarnick> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:DonationInterface_Construct.jpg lmfao 10/10 documentation [06:42:34] <SamanthaNguyen> hey, it works :P [06:42:51] <SamanthaNguyen> even if it's not a computer-generated diagram [06:45:10] <SamanthaNguyen> hmm i should probably go sleep soon [06:46:14] <georgebarnick> lol [06:46:23] <georgebarnick> yeah i'll probably get off irc [06:47:29] <georgebarnick> ttyl [06:48:00] <SamanthaNguyen> cya o/