[22:32:45] <georgebarnick>	 Lcawte: when you get a moment I'd like to debug some issues with Brickimedia with you per the requests and concerns of several users over the course of the year.
[22:33:12] <Lcawte>	 Bug reports?
[22:35:04] <georgebarnick>	 not really bug reports just complaints that kind of all have to do with each other but may or may not be caused by one thing
[22:35:47] <georgebarnick>	 basically caching on our sites is really aggressive. one issue is that special pages like Special:DoubleRedirects have to be manually updated through updateSpecialPages.php and don't update automatically at any point.
[22:36:31] <georgebarnick>	 Another issue is pointed out here near the bottom of the page: http://greatballcontraption.com/index.php?title=Special:WikiForum&page=2&thread=2
[22:37:19] <georgebarnick>	 there are some other cache-related issues as well. Examples include MediaWiki:Refreshed-navigation needs to have memcached restarted to take effect but that might have to do with the skin, not our cache settings
[22:38:14] <georgebarnick>	 MediaWiki:Sitenotice also sometimes doesn't like to update, and if there are links in the sitenotice, sometimes they'll turn bold+black (as links would if you're currently on the page the link goes to) but won't turn back until cache resets, which doesn't really happen quickly
[22:38:37] <georgebarnick>	 These are just a couple issues I can recall that people have brought to my attention, that I've experienced, or that people have complained about
[22:39:23] <georgebarnick>	 I don't really know how our cache is set up and I don't really know how to work with cache settings so that's why I'm asking you
[22:58:36] <ashley>	 [00:35:50]	<georgebarnick>	basically caching on our sites is really aggressive. one issue is that special pages like Special:DoubleRedirects have to be manually updated through updateSpecialPages.php and don't update automatically at any point. <-- updateSpecialPages.php should be in cron, ideally, but for a different manual solution you could install [[mw:Extension:RefreshedSpecial]]...
[22:58:38] <ashley>	 ...(ShoutWiki sites have that installed, for example)
[22:59:27] <ashley>	 [00:38:17]	<georgebarnick>	MediaWiki:Sitenotice also sometimes doesn't like to update, and if there are links in the sitenotice, sometimes they'll turn bold+black (as links would if you're currently on the page the link goes to) but won't turn back until cache resets, which doesn't really happen quickly <-- that's just MediaWiki to you, AFAIK (sorry, don't have any phab ticket #'s available,...
[22:59:29] <ashley>	 ...but I think this is a known issue for which there's no fix yet)
[23:01:54] <Lcawte>	 Is it time to churn out my "get a better server, the current one means we have to create x many cache issues" rhetoric?
[23:38:22] <georgebarnick>	 Lcawte: that's for you to tell adrian
[23:42:46] <georgebarnick>	 ashley:  thanks for suggesting cron. I'd thought about that a couple times in the past but didn't know if that was the correct way to go about it. setting that up now
[23:44:54] <georgebarnick>	 set up cron jobs for updateSpecialPages.php to run every day at 3am on every wiki except for dev and admin
[23:46:00] <georgebarnick>	 also for reference, is restarting memcached bad? It forces cache to reset I know but is that a bad thing? seems like something that could be good to do every so often