[00:00:24] Also I want your understanding on this Eric and Keifer issue tell me what you know [00:01:28] Kiefer is Kiefer and sooner or later, he'll be banned. Eric from what I can tell is a very valued, but snappy contributor who was poked prior to his block [00:01:44] Ok correct and wrong [00:01:49] Explain [00:02:02] I wasnt involved since i hate dramahz boardz [00:02:46] Ok [00:03:02] Keifer and Eric are one of the best editors on wikipedia [00:03:07] seriously [00:03:16] like freakingly good [00:03:17] ok... [00:03:38] They are cocky and get angry easily [00:04:03] admins block but they cant indef because the cost it will have on the encyyclopedia [00:04:20] so a "wheel-war" begins [00:04:41] yes. kiefer has a decent log because of so. [00:05:03] blocks and unblocks because of community disputes [00:05:08] Yes [00:05:13] But what happens with me? [00:05:35] There has got to be more than you, Soni, and Arctic Kangaroo (partially) that oppose the block. [00:05:43] wait I will get to you in a bit [00:05:52] OK sorry...go on... [00:06:42] ArbCom intervenes [00:07:07] Yeap... [00:07:24] and guess what! [00:07:33] What? [00:07:42] The cant do ANYTHING ABOUT IT [00:07:47] Hm... [00:07:49] *they [00:07:58] and things get worse [00:08:07] Drama away! [00:08:21] Keifer.Wolfowitz creates a blog about hate comments on wiki admins [00:08:36] Admins cant block because its off wiki [00:09:09] Admin: Ironholds, goes on the IRC [00:09:11] Why Geni blocked him for one year, but THAT didnt last [00:09:26] Hes a good contributor thats why [00:09:30] Yeah and he and TP threatened to burn him with oik [00:09:35] yep [00:09:38] *oil [00:09:47] Ironholds was filed to arbcom for desysopping [00:09:52] But he has rude commentary and is a bad editor outside of articles [00:09:58] Wait seriously?!?! [00:10:00] yes [00:10:07] an admin did it [00:10:12] ? [00:10:18] yeap [00:10:32] Bureaucrats can change user rights of admins, not admins? [00:10:47] no no an admin reported Ironholds to ArbCom [00:11:17] Oh yes [00:11:48] and ArbCom is in the process of closing it in favor of desysopping Ironholds [00:12:04] and a potential one year block [00:12:49] Hm...interesting case. I'm looking at it right now [00:13:27] Wow! [00:13:33] Eric and Keifer will get blocked millions of times and they will still come back [00:13:45] Yes, but not me [00:14:27] Only one good thing happened today which is Mrt3366/Mr T getting TP back. [00:14:42] yeah [00:15:31] Hm... [00:16:09] and about you, I see a wheel war two [00:16:14] *too [00:16:20] but its different [00:16:36] If you be bad and get blocked again [00:16:49] it gets longer and longer over time [00:17:04] to the point of an un-opposed indef [00:17:10] And I get no chances [00:17:14] Yeah [00:17:33] I'm quite surprised that GorillaWarfare wasn't convinced. [00:18:08] Yeah I was surprised by that one big time [00:18:10] And BWilkins is really scaring me [00:18:23] I'm worried that BWilkins might be canvassing or lying [00:18:38] But for sure when I'm unblocked, this case needs to go somewhere [00:18:45] ok he is vreepy [00:18:49] These long, punitive blocks are beyond unacceptable [00:18:49] *creepy [00:18:58] He's nice as long as you're not blocked [00:19:18] not that, 13 minutes after I warned you he blocks you [00:19:27] Its like hes constantly watching you [00:19:33] That is the definition of punitive [00:19:44] He just did it to get rid of me [00:20:06] Maybe because Soni left, but Soni stated that I had nothing to do with his unexpected break [00:20:17] Hm [00:20:29] Soni just started drama [00:20:39] But he perhaps helped too [00:21:15] The fact that the subject of my rare frustartion and he opposes any block kind of says that beyond admins, there is a lack of support for a block [00:21:22] yeah [00:21:25] At least from people who know me and my situation [00:21:30] its like an arbcom block [00:21:44] But Arbcom would probably oppose it tho :) [00:21:51] Oppose my block [00:22:16] Im going to write a paragraph [00:22:25] Where? To whom? [00:23:29] @ Prabash_A what I need is to be unblocked [00:23:38] yeah [00:23:41] its for that [00:23:51] Where is it going? [00:24:13] Give valid reasons. This needs to go to another admin who barely knows me [00:24:32] It goes for everyone [00:24:41] OK, but where? [00:25:27] AN? AN/I? [00:25:32] nope [00:25:39] a discussion on your talk page [00:25:46] Hm...good idea [00:26:25] a change in your block [00:26:27] Prabash, you need to support me here. You can't go with what BWilkins is thinking since 95% of his reasoning for the block was proven false [00:26:31] to 73 hours [00:26:33] A change? To what? [00:26:34] *72 [00:26:49] A cool down block [00:26:58] YOU ARE A CHAMP! [00:27:10] iTs the perfect solution [00:27:31] BMW's block for one month is a tad too much for attacks [00:27:42] even eric didnt get blocked that bad [00:28:07] I dont think BMW blocked Eric [00:28:16] And BMW blocked ME for 3 months [00:29:58] @Prabash_A you'll go down in history as a good person :) [00:30:19] lol [00:30:22] I doubt it [00:30:47] Though whether I warned you or not that block would still be there [00:31:26] True, but with it, it makes it that much more punitive [00:31:53] true, but BMW's not stupid he will investigate [00:31:56] Lol "Even mentoring doesnt work" [00:32:15] Yeah it does. Why prior to the block, was my article % the highest? [00:32:26] Why was I not blocked sooner or warned? [00:33:19] Yeah [00:33:35] Do you think BWilkins should be desysopepd? [00:33:45] Nay! [00:33:57] the last thing we want is to lose another admin [00:34:44] True, I suppose. Maybe we need a new set of fresh legs. There arent enough RfA;s [00:35:04] We've lost Boing, Drmies, Rich Farmbrough and so many others [00:36:20] We need more new admins, even if they have block logs (like me). If they've proven themselves after 2ish good years, then it should be easier [00:36:47] @Prabash_A What BMW is trying to do is making it harder to become a sysop, when it is already tough enough [00:37:03] yeah [00:37:13] but he likes me so we are cool [00:37:28] at least I hope ;) [00:37:41] O_o [00:37:46] a [00:37:57] Anyway, what might the paragraph be like? [00:38:17] A wall of text, I havent started yet [00:39:04] That's fine. GorillaWarfare's rationale is startlingly clueless of the good contributions i have made, which accounts for a good majority since my last block [00:40:23] @Prabash_A how awful is it when im unblocked to try and ban him from my talk page? [00:40:39] Lol the agony [00:41:04] That would likely end me up in a swift re-block [00:41:34] yep by him [00:42:25] There has to be some way where he can just f--- off and leave me alone [00:43:15] @Prabash_A correct? [00:44:03] lol [00:44:05] yeah [00:44:52] Probably not, since no violation, except giving me a punitive block has occured [00:45:17] Yeah, I got to leave soon for dinner noe [00:46:12] OK. I'm going to go chill with my family [00:46:17] K [00:46:17] Have a good dinner [00:46:20] ty [00:46:22] Bye [00:46:30] Cya [00:46:34] Have me wake up. Please dont back down [02:51:49] @AK [13:42:43] Hello