[04:21:47] To be a bit contrary, i dont think our hackathons have ever really been about code, testing documentation, design or translation. (re @NicolasVIGNERON: not exhaustive and among other ideas (and things done before but forgotten or made invisible) : testing, design, documentation, ...) [04:22:47] I think its usually been more of a meeting place of different groups so people can do all the technical stuff when they get home [05:56:28] I am often impressed by the showcases in the end so some people are coding during the event. [07:11:54] In many of the more impressive showcase items, I have the feeling that they've worked quite a bit on it _before_ the event, tbh. Nothing wrong with that, of course (re @Jan_ainali: I am often impressed by the showcases in the end so some people are coding during the event.) [07:15:21] This uses the calculator gadget for the interactive parts of the Trajan's Column part, IIUC? So it won't work "out of the box" on other wikis without that gadget? (re @Brian: The new lua svg support has some interesting possibilities for more interactive visuals. Some experiments: https://en.wikipedia....) [07:15:49] Yes, that's correct (re @jhsoby: This uses the calculator gadget for the interactive parts of the Trajan's Column part, IIUC? So it won't work "out of the box" o...) [07:16:12] And another question: Would this new SVG functionality in Lua enable us to use CSS variables for colors in SVG files? E.g. making select black parts into `--color-base`, for instance? (re @Brian: The new lua svg support has some interesting possibilities for more interactive visuals. Some experiments: https://en.wikipedia....) [07:17:44] You cannot use css variables from outside the svg. (You can use css variables defined inside the svg, but that isnt all that useful) [07:19:57] ah, right, i hadn't looked at the browser console. it seems to convert the SVGs into an `` tag with a data URL as `src` [07:20:22] However i think you can detect dark mode and do diffferent things depending on it [07:25:53] No user interaction allowed for svgs in mode. There are some possibilities without the gadget but they are really hacky. E.g. using :target pseudoclass with template styles, or taking a checkbox from and restyling it so its invisible and using :checked pseudoclass (re @jhsoby: This uses the calculator gadget for the interactive parts of the Trajan's [07:25:53] Column part, [07:25:54] IIUC? So it won't work "out of the box" o...) [07:30:00] I actually think its kind of sad that the hackathon is the only place people really have to show off what they are working on. Lots of tech companies do regular show and tell meetings where each presenter gets 5-10 min to demo a new feature or even just walk through how they solved an interesting problems or tracked down a complicated bug. I think it would be cool if [07:30:00] wikimedia di [07:30:00] d more of that to bring the disperate wikimedia tech people together (re @jhsoby: In many of the more impressive showcase items, I have the feeling that they've worked quite a bit on it before the event, tbh. N...) [07:33:42] We have two international hackathons per year, a couple of regional and then of course Coolest Tool Awards. I guess it is mostly about someone having the energy to organize it. (Which is not me.) [07:35:52] to me that's all part of the software development life cycle. That's why software is _developed_ , not only _written_ / coded. A developathon or smth...? (re @NicolasVIGNERON: not exhaustive and among other ideas (and things done before but forgotten or made invisible) : testing, design, documentation, ...) [07:37:57] (Or a clever take on the life cycle aspect, like a "breathing life into" [only a catchy version of that]) (re @NicolasVIGNERON: not exhaustive and among other ideas (and things done before but forgotten or made invisible) : testing, design, documentation, ...) [08:34:53] That's a good point. From Nicolas' description I was tempted to propose "Collaborathon", but then that would also make it ambiguous compared to e.g. regular editathons. (re @JeanFred: to me that's all part of the software development life cycle. That's why software is developed , not only written / coded. A dev...) [08:39:49] Maybe "creatathon" to focus on building new stuff? But then again hackathons are great for improving existing tools and projects 😅 [08:48:47] Technical collaborathon? (re @waldyrious: That's a good point. From Nicolas' description I was tempted to propose "Collaborathon", but then that would also make it ambigu...) [10:42:20] Yeah, something along those lines could work, but this specific phrasing may be a little awkward. We could play a bit, e.g. "Tech CoLab", but it could be a little obscure to those who don't know the etymology 🤔 Or maybe just too fancy-looking. [10:54:14] I suggested Techimania. Festive and very broad. [11:31:09] uh. good one.