[00:06:48] Monobook, somehow [00:08:10] monobook implies the existence of a much more powerful stereomovie [00:11:35] Maybe Vector was the Stereomovie we needed all along [00:24:39] [1/2] It's been... about 9 months? I still would like to move this wiki away from Fandom. I was able to establish contact with the wiki administrator (away from Fandom), but after reaching out and giving my lengthy reasons to consider, I pretty much got a "I'm busy but I'll look at it later" and haven't heard back since after some repeated followups. I'm saddened [00:24:40] [2/2] because I truly think this wiki would do wonders better on a farm like Miraheze, and I know enough information that I'd be able to make some neat pages. I simply just don't want to contribute my work to Fandom lol. Should I deem this a lost cause at this point? I'm aiming to follow up a few more times over the next 3 months. What else can I do? [00:27:12] If the community/admin are not enthusiastic about a move away from fandom, that won't be a good use of your time to try to 'make it happen anyway' [00:28:58] Not to say that continued dialogue is a bad idea, just discouraging 'hostile forking' against community wishes. It rarely ends well [00:29:31] When I initially reached out to people about it to see what the community thought, I got either "enthusiastic yes" or "I haven't looked into it enough to have an opinion so abstain" [00:30:30] The sole admin's lack of response is the only thing holding me back from starting a discussion at the moment [00:31:36] [1/2] Sounds like continued dialogue and outreach is the path forward, then. [00:31:36] [2/2] Just be mindful to not overly push it or you may find yourself on the wrong side of a fandom ban [00:45:41] anyone have tips for working on a wiki with 10+ year old archive.org links? xD and burnout.. :rip: [01:15:27] Is there a way to enable themetoggle for admins only to write out the css before making public? I have several readers i know who are using dark mode (which was default enabled on vector) and i don't want to confuse them/make the wiki look worse [01:18:41] What about the archive links in particular? They still work, right? [01:20:53] [1/3] I don't think you can enable an extension for a select number of users only, but there are other things you can do: [01:20:53] [2/3] 1) Enable the extension, don't add MediaWiki:Theme-.css yet. Test the CSS on User:.../common.css. You can scope the CSS under `.theme-` [01:20:53] [3/3] 2) Enable the extension, don't add Media Wiki:Theme-.css yet. Instead write some gadgets enabled for admins only. [01:21:34] 1 means you can test the CSS for one user only, 2 means you can test the CSS for all admins [02:40:07] Oh that's a good idea [02:41:08] But doesn't the extension provide another toggle? There would be two visible, one for darkmode and one for themetoggle [02:46:37] We only used two themes on Vocaloid Lyrics Wiki and ThemeToggle doesn't affect the default Vector/Citizen toggle [02:47:43] [1/3] Vector: https://vocaloidlyrics.miraheze.org/wiki/Vocaloid_Lyrics_Wiki?useskin=vector-2022 [02:47:44] [2/3] Medik: https://vocaloidlyrics.miraheze.org/wiki/Vocaloid_Lyrics_Wiki?useskin=medik [02:47:44] [3/3] Timeless: https://vocaloidlyrics.miraheze.org/wiki/Vocaloid_Lyrics_Wiki?useskin=timeless [02:48:07] [1/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DarkMode [02:48:08] [2/2] this one was already enabled for us, so i would have to disable it sometime somewhere [02:49:05] Ah this wasn't the default Vector/Citizen toggle that I was talking about. [02:49:24] Some people consider Extension:DarkMode a shoddy hack tbh. [02:49:48] yup, i'm aware of that [02:50:30] the base skin was cosmos, but i wanted vector legacy, so when i got it switched over, i didn't realize darkmode extension was in affect [02:51:16] medik is also an interesting skin, never seen it before [02:52:20] It's good as a minimalist "just give me Bootstrap" skin [02:52:38] Very lightweight compared to Citizen, too [02:53:09] Tbf tho Medik was heavily customized through CSS on VLW [02:55:06] Ditto with Refreshed on MLaaT-Rabbot Wiki. I'm cooking behind the scenes on it, so it's just blank on everyone's end except for mine. [02:58:02] There's also Refreshed (best skin) [02:58:58] [1/2] Yes and no.. a lot of it isn't even archived cause i've been trying to use old forums (which mainly archived just subtopics and not articles) since they had most of the data so finding working paths to get the information has been a nightmare since the forums were killed back in 2014. I've been able to just manually go through every available archived link and [02:58:58] [2/2] get everything I can that helps but there's gaps which I've not been able to fill and everything else I've been trying to fill in from files (it's a dead MMO game) and memory which I'm not totally happy about cause I'd much rather have facts to link to than trusting my memory. [02:59:44] I just realized, if you're using Vector after all then you didn't actually need Extension:ThemeToggle to design for dark mode [03:00:08] You do need Extension:DarkMode for most other skins that aren't Vector/Citizen tho [03:00:45] off topic but damn, you should of had joined the server on January 30th, just like you did when creating your account πŸ˜† [03:01:32] Lakeus also has dark mode support [03:01:39] And Mirage [03:02:52] i.e., Refreshed, Medik (I think?), HasSomeColours, etc. [03:03:43] Mirage does not 😭 [03:04:07] It does [03:04:29] Just with hard coded colors, you can enable it with a setting [03:17:26] That wiki should look into ditching the /wiki/ part of their url [03:18:11] It's already got wiki as the prefix in place of www, that 2nd wiki just sticks out like a sore thumb [03:41:56] It's also confusing. [05:14:34] i should speak to miraheze stewards bc i never told them about my ban story from ftm [05:15:08] not like its for an important topic but its related to the cvt that was done back in march [09:00:04] Sorry if this is a question from ignorance, but is there a process/reason users from other wikis seem to activate accounts on ours? [09:33:10] Our accounts system is global so if they even read your wiki or navigate to it, an account will create [09:40:50] interesting [09:51:37] [1/2] is it possible to set the search description text? [09:51:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1501159423731564564/image.png?ex=69fb0f28&is=69f9bda8&hm=06a69bee0cad2b7f8da135e2717e2b817eed968e1ff358eec0e5a65d7be888c6& [09:57:00] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiSEO [09:57:37] u want the "description" parameter [10:08:20] That's for external embeds [10:09:03] They seem to be on Special:Search, where the search excerpt is based on the terms you searched for [10:09:11] Which appears to be Donald in this case [10:17:24] how do i make someone an admin? i can't see anything on the "sidebar" that says change user groups [10:20:20] [1/2] https://pinmaster.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:UserRights?user= [10:20:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1501166649607327845/image.png?ex=69fb15e3&is=69f9c463&hm=2677b84bb37e30ba29f1f66ccef95434427782891cdd369a3f001a73c7473565& [10:20:33] change to your site obv [10:20:43] thank you πŸ˜„ [10:38:04] Awww I'm the example now :pupCoffeeMH: [10:42:38] [1/2] i gave them admin, but they are getting this error [10:42:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1501172262542245998/image.png?ex=69fb1b1d&is=69f9c99d&hm=dc9080d5f33301e644591f557da02c15641945d37c0d8445b48d609593699fd8& [10:46:02] They need interface admin to edit CSS [10:56:52] [1/2] This is much less bloated than when Modern and Cologne Blue were global, still hate how timeless is the only one that's capitalised though [10:56:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1501175847988494366/Screenshot_20260505-075559.png?ex=69fb1e74&is=69f9ccf4&hm=5e7e2ad1939876f511f9b594cc5545ee44eaed11dfd60d06bd45af2d148fc8ff& [11:07:55] so it doesnt do this if i use tabbers [11:08:00] ⁉️ [11:08:49] I mean yeah, it puts in a container [11:10:07] Probably there's more than one. But {{Clear}} for certain will push it below the infobox so start with removing that (if you haven't already) [11:10:07] [11:12:55] i already murdered the clear [11:13:06] that issue has been there since the template was made [11:13:07] [1/2] Remove width: 100% [11:13:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1501179935124099212/image.png?ex=69fb2243&is=69f9d0c3&hm=b4ff490c59fe83add7bad21436be56578764e1b482c58e2fc8b26675db87cfdd& [11:13:18] I wILL cry [11:13:51] [1/2] well that works [11:13:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1501180119962746940/image.png?ex=69fb226f&is=69f9d0ef&hm=81b864379ed6f62520beee76d7ee589827ecc49a17910f77d9c0f0bebf9e712c& [11:14:02] now the actual scene within this is misaligned [11:14:04] er cut off [11:14:06] you could say [11:14:34] javascript shenanigans oh lord [11:15:03] width: 100% works [11:15:11] [1/2] loool [11:15:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1501180453724622879/image.png?ex=69fb22be&is=69f9d13e&hm=b169782a7ef79f258cdcb4b1e0dc7e1f68c131f6561fa853c1cfc2d4b6af90c6& [11:16:35] yeah, threejs/canvasa [11:16:42] ye that [11:16:49] unfortunately I haven't used it myself yet but I can tell it's not updating correctly [11:17:09] For example if you adjust the page width in Citizen skins it breaks lol [11:17:15] removing the width of the scene works [11:17:20] but its squished [11:17:41] https://tenor.com/h0WQnWs2fm0.gif [11:18:08] yeah i'd fiddle with devtools and the canvas, container, etc. width and height and aspect ratio untitl you hit the right value [11:19:09] this stopped happening [11:19:18] canvas/threejs part ill ask for help on that later [11:19:20] ty [13:42:26] Fuck around and find out vs research [15:56:06] [1/2] is there a way to force Dynamic Categories to use non-scaled down renditions of images? this blurry look makes my eyes itch [15:56:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1501251149020401764/image.png?ex=69fb6495&is=69fa1315&hm=af576baedff9119e81fafbd4fdc6c588f9a1938960fdee1c7d5bb62b5805a60d& [16:02:52] The thumbnail width is hard-coded at 200 but I can change that. Can't be done now because I need to go elsewhere, so you can probably submit a [new issue on MirahezeDevScripts](https://github.com/lihaohong6/MirahezeDevScripts/issues) so that it doesn't get lost. [16:03:56] :wowstein: wow thank you, i sure will [16:34:02] Every day I discover new reasons why there's no way for Parsoid to become the default parser in 1.47 without breaking everything [17:58:07] [1/2] Honest question - I dreamed today that Miraheze went bankrupt and deleted their website, along with my Wikipedia... [17:58:08] [2/2] How realistic is this? I mean, what's Miraheze's situation, and is there a possibility that it won't be profitable for them to maintain it anytime soon? [17:59:56] They don't need to be profitable, they just need enough funds to survive [18:00:17] But you can look at this year's budget, I think they secured themselves for this year [18:00:28] [18:02:07] Nobody knows what the future holds but since they've operated the site for, what, 11 years? I think them going under would be an unlikely scenario and there are several nets that would catch them before it happens [18:03:37] https://digdug.miraheze.org/wiki/Taizo_Hori [18:03:48] thx man [18:03:49] Does anyone know how i can make it so the embed shows an image from the article [18:03:57] Instead of the wikis logo [18:04:40] Enable PageImages [18:05:34] Thanks [18:06:32] [1/2] In light of offerings made by Cook a while back in https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1086311916248518696 and https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1119667287599890513, I think as long as Miraheze's volunteer team is largely intact and functional (unlike 2023) there will be other players i [18:06:32] [2/2] n the wiki ecosystem willing to fund our infra. [18:12:55] shoutout cook [18:12:57] 🐐 [18:14:49] Thank God for the Miraheze team (and Cook) πŸ™ πŸ™ πŸ™ [18:40:57] Funny that I had a dream similar to that, but it was Fandom instead [18:43:01] 2023 was quite the year, huh? [18:53:16] Yeah it was pretty stressful [18:53:28] When I was forking the UTY wiki in early 2024 I went for wiki.gg first and then thought to check up on Miraheze [18:53:41] And when I saw it was almost about to close in 2023 I was like nope not going there [18:53:54] good thing that never happened [18:54:20] (And hopefully not anytime soon) [18:56:10] The miraheze logo looks like candy, wonder how it would taste [18:56:19] Honey perhaps? [18:57:42] Honey would be fitting, there's a lot of bee associations with Miraheze [19:00:06] Beeheze [19:00:37] Mirebeeze [19:06:14] I would buy Mira-honey - honey is lovly in tea [19:09:47] [1/2] Just like today's sponsor! Hon-- [19:09:47] [2/2] Naw, I wouldn't do that. [19:10:31] I would but Hezey [19:11:08] I want it for my tea [19:13:06] does anyone else have to constantly go through clpudfare security when using miraheze on the samsung internet app [19:15:43] oof Samsung Internet [19:16:03] I think scrapers might have presented themselves as Samsung Internet a lot so they challenge traffic from that browser [19:16:24] You might want to set a different browser as your default [19:59:35] I heard all sorts of stories About FANDOM so when a question about setting a game's wiki aired i was like "hell no were not going there". Initially we started on a local hardware but then said hardware went INOP, and the person who worked on it just vanished... I thought were cooked until i found Mirahaze [20:00:12] Literally a saving straw [20:12:33] My advice is to use anything other than Samsung internet [20:12:52] :out: [20:13:03] Glad we could help [21:25:14] [1/2] Samsung? [21:25:15] [2/2] Wait, its privacy was an issue? [21:27:54] Very few people use it so it has a proportionately high level of non human traffic [21:28:20] Which means you're much more likely to get hit by a WAF filter than a modern sane browser [21:29:32] Noooooo [21:29:38] But it’s based out of South Korea πŸ™ [21:29:46] Eh, it’s for my homeland, so I gotta dedicate [21:30:17] (I was one of the 2 people that used Samsung Internet in the past) [21:30:40] And yeah I had to switch to Chrome [21:31:15] it wasn't the worst browser from the very few occasions I used it for lack of anything else at the moment [21:31:23] but its weird and could be flagged more because of it [21:31:32] I mean the other option is we stop tackling scrapers and probably have significant performance issues [21:31:36] but I think other variables like ip reputation would play into it if you're being hit that hard [21:31:49] I can have a look at exactly what rule you are hitting if you send me your IP [21:32:08] See if whatever caused it to be blocked has relaxed [21:32:17] samsung internet is obscure but its' not that far out of whack [21:32:51] [1/2] Yeah, but I like it since it used to make noodles and is based out of South Korea [21:32:51] [2/2] I’m not really having an issue with Samsung tho [23:29:29] if i upload a new image over an already existing one, the old version will still be taking server space? [23:32:30] If it didn't, you couldn't revert images back to previous versions [23:42:20] i see ty!