[00:12:00] ana [00:12:15] hi, can someone give a pix? [00:13:00] give a what? [00:13:24] a grr [00:13:34] ? [00:37:18] What [01:31:29] alternative to all this dancing around dumb search engine is just stop giving a fuck and put all points into community reputation, sooner or later it will get where is the real thing and will go there directly, w/o google + indie wiki buddy [01:32:09] yeah, we basically did the latter :p [01:32:25] i mean, we did the basic seo stuff (wikiseo guide on meta), but didn't care much after that [01:32:40] everyone and their mom is doing the seo game, and fandom has literal employees for seo [01:33:05] i was prancing around ptw and then google fucked us over custom domain big time [01:33:54] exactly, all they do is mangling mediawiki [01:34:37] kinda curious about this [01:36:37] [1/2] i don't remember where I've about that, i haven't done this intentionally [01:36:37] [2/2] my music wiki just have several yt embeds of official music uploads, and iirc in console google filtered these pages out [01:37:29] bit when ptw only got to fandom, and they made a big post explaining the fork, there were 2 embeds and it was one of the first pages to get up in results [01:40:36] my god, understanding this is like trying to reverse engineer rng [01:40:44] ikr [01:40:57] i mean, there was a leak recently [01:41:20] about google seo [01:41:41] i only heard paraphrased points from it, but im sure you still can check the whole thing somewhere [01:42:21] [1/2] seo 🤝 progesterone [01:42:21] [2/2] how the fuck do we do this thing [01:43:57] tech is blue ! [01:44:19] Ticking me off [01:44:32] Can I just make icons for each tech role and color match please… [01:44:45] tech blue ended ur dmod blue [01:48:36] My problem isn’t the color it’s that the green and blue don’t play nice [01:49:11] I like green and blue [01:49:54] Not this one 😭 [01:51:27] ahem [01:53:41] 😭 [02:07:46] a [02:09:53] w [02:55:01] is there a vertical timeline template? [02:56:55] Hello I request help on how to install wiki skins [02:57:00] I am new to Miraheze [02:59:49] Does this help? https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Skins#FAQ [03:00:22] [1/2] is it this [03:00:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465541917512171553/image.png?ex=69797bc5&is=69782a45&hm=4d1fb40ea1325be37d391eb935b305668d426624bfb6cda2f82e8e72d37dd218& [03:00:33] im confused on whether its to add to the list on the page or [03:00:35] for the wiki [03:00:53] Do you want to install a brand new skin or enable one? [03:01:05] one not on the default ones [03:01:06] You're likely looking for [[ManageWiki]] [03:01:07] [03:01:31] hm [03:01:34] ill check it out, thanks [03:01:58] also what is the extension that enables visual editing [03:10:28] How do I install it [03:10:31] I'm confused [03:13:04] Visual Editor [03:13:26] how do I install these two extensions, Managewiki and Visualeditor [03:13:38] do you wanna enable a skin or set it as default [03:13:44] ManageWiki is enabled globally [03:13:56] I have a skin that isnt one of the standard [03:13:56] Cosmos [03:14:02] how do I add it and put it on [03:14:11] I don't have it installed or anything [03:14:14] I just know it [03:14:42] Its what you use to enable the others [03:15:06] Put “Special:ManageWiki/extensions” in the search bar of your wiki [03:15:40] got it [03:15:53] What's next [03:17:01] What's next [03:17:39] enter if you haven’t, should be on a page with tabs and toggles [03:18:34] search for Cosmos, or for Visual Editor [03:19:23] [1/2] enter what [03:19:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465546705498804315/image.png?ex=6979803b&is=69782ebb&hm=a039f95bb37f2ba131ed44fc330ec8605065f19cb101d3c791962ba06d4d9a13& [03:19:52] Okay, click the Search ManageWiki button and type in there [03:20:26] alrighty [03:21:18] got visual editor [03:21:21] now ima try the skin [03:21:36] ooh, nice [03:21:42] Much appreciated [03:21:48] I think that'll be all [03:21:54] I appreciate your support [03:22:37] imma assume there is no timeline template. looked through all of the dev wiki and couldnt find one [03:33:20] [[mh:utg:template:timeline styles]] might help [03:33:21] [03:33:38] [1/8] you just need to do something like [03:33:38] [2/8] ``` [03:33:39] [3/8] {| class="timeline" [03:33:39] [4/8] | Year [03:33:39] [5/8] | Description [03:33:40] [6/8] |} [03:33:40] [7/8] {{timeline styles}} [03:33:40] [8/8] ``` [03:56:53] how would i even import this? [03:57:10] (thanks for this btw) [04:04:55] what sourse wiki would i use? [04:14:25] im stuck [04:15:46] can anyone help lol :3 [04:20:17] [1/3] guys i found this ```($wgCitizenSearchDescriptionSource)``` in extension [04:20:17] [2/3] i put "TextExtracts" to Description2/WikiSEO [04:20:18] [3/3] is this fine? [04:33:23] mh:utg [04:33:33] thats deprecated since citizen uses command palette [04:36:52] its not in the drop down [04:43:02] [1/3] what are the reasons a navbox may display fine in desktop but not appear at all in mobile? https://danmachien.miraheze.org/wiki/Ottar#Navigation?mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile [04:43:03] [2/3] The table of contents in this wiki also has a weird thing that subheaders are collapsed by default in TOCs? It's not a big problem, but I'd prefer it to be uncollapsed by default [04:43:03] [3/3] https://danmachien.miraheze.org/wiki/Ottar/Abilities [04:46:29] I'm not sure what you want to accomplish exactly. Could you explain what you want to do and link to the page in #support ? [04:50:04] how do i import from a nondev wiki??? [04:53:33] RIGHT give me asecond [04:53:43] [1/2] ? [04:53:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465570445477679168/image0.jpg?ex=69799657&is=697844d7&hm=0a73045064becc5ae2ebe4307b9e2fcdf45debd850de73e2c360b9e26bdd8c35& [04:54:11] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465570564277276795/image.png?ex=69799673&is=697844f3&hm=b5b28d92a5cad1817d33ba0afca75cfacda87f521faec44cd05af94470bfb551& [04:55:07] it doesnt import [04:56:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465571050774597632/image0.jpg?ex=697996e7&is=69784567&hm=30eae63c561ad050fe1a9fdd10e66eaf29a76faa0a993c61fadbf2ae58e8ff51& [04:56:22] head to Special:Import on the wiki you want to export templates from [04:56:23] OK i was being an idiot and had to remove everything but thempla:xxx from the export page [04:57:07] but now the timeline doesnt show up as a timeline [04:57:21] even though the template is stated to be used [04:57:48] timeline styles uses timeline styles/styles.css [04:58:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465571689252389016/image.png?ex=6979977f&is=697845ff&hm=440b17ce1b84b97d827bd674ec2dabad3c49646220cfc6eab86ab9af825ff52e& [04:59:12] compy pasted the template from the site and it still acts like it doesnt work [04:59:44] is it in the Template namespace ? [05:00:10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465572069642076240/image.png?ex=697997da&is=6978465a&hm=7b3e9db52599ed3c860f6b86a6e69c2b896fdfb3beb383785db6c757aa1ea1b8& [05:00:49] and does Template:Timeline styles only contain `` ? [05:01:12] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465572327956676764/image.png?ex=69799818&is=69784698&hm=96be046eff226aff2df2d8bbf2a578c08739c32043439df5b626773afc0d307e& [05:02:18] replaced it and it didnt change anythingh [05:03:13] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1465572781784563773 [05:12:09] yes [05:19:44] frick this. imma just rawdog the formatting [06:22:06] [1/8] so have you done this? [06:22:06] [2/8] ``` [06:22:06] [3/8] {| class="timeline" [06:22:07] [4/8] | Year [06:22:07] [5/8] | Description [06:22:07] [6/8] |} [06:22:07] [7/8] {{timeline styles}} [06:22:08] [8/8] ``` [07:40:02] [1/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465612299833184433/image.png?ex=6979bd52&is=69786bd2&hm=4c145c5e8d359be17f22c209c78d0a585ba6fd02975dbe8043bb3f26603a7c7f& [07:40:03] [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465612300433231955/image.png?ex=6979bd52&is=69786bd2&hm=812d11a899607984608056d2be099c960f0ce01166f6fd41fe473180bd18db75& [07:40:03] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465612300890407036/image.png?ex=6979bd52&is=69786bd2&hm=39d86bd883732b2ec131f03960b4306df79eb6ac4989fff16778b75068aa8e9a& [07:40:03] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465612301196329081/image.png?ex=6979bd52&is=69786bd2&hm=297a3634ff00ef0a44fa6e3956ffbb6d888d9f5487a1a1a3c1b1c1a8d075cea4& [07:40:47] @Discord Moderators get them 4 meee [07:41:07] Handled [08:34:28] Hi! Sorry if this is prob an overasked question, but how much do I generally need to wait for a Wiki to get approved manually? Apperentley I didn't please the AI this time :Heh: IDM waiting, just wanna know if there's a general timeframe... [09:02:35] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Waki285-Bot/RWQ_backlog [09:02:40] 1d4h [09:17:58] thx [11:53:50] Is the content model correct? (See the link Page information in the tools section) [12:36:42] [1/4] Hello! I wanted to ask something about the stylization of the navigation panel for the timeless skin. [12:36:43] [2/4] Would it be possible to add icons on the sides of the header? (pic1) And would that be possible for the marker next to the links instead of using characters/emojis? (pic2) Decorative purpose only. Been trying to figure it out on my own but I'm a bit lost and rusty [12:36:43] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465686959899934891/image.png?ex=697a02da&is=6978b15a&hm=5bfc123de83e5018f1c153dbce07abfd97bcc25d220d2255c8f1043ffda45f5c& [12:36:43] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465686960256454855/image.png?ex=697a02da&is=6978b15a&hm=697318ef472062880f05759e480aafacc8a6ec43a7cbcb91c8733efaccdb6a12& [12:48:37] [1/2] [[MediaWiki:Sidebar]] provides the links to that section. [12:48:37] [2/2] Adding links in the Tools section is mostly done by JavaScript. [12:48:38] [12:49:13] for emoji part see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/Properties/list-style-image [12:49:18] As for the icons, it accepts all emojis [12:51:01] [1/2] You can also look on my most used emoticons: [12:51:01] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Rodejong/Emoticons [13:16:50] I'd like to use png, not emojis, the closes thing i've seen is what the Hollow Knight wiki does but also not really. [13:18:10] [1/2] But instead of having the arrow on hover, they'd replace the ◆ marker [13:18:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465697395428819115/image.png?ex=697a0c92&is=6978bb12&hm=452262ea42b1a19944e124874760b696f521b5d969e4eb21d711efd2154a9d56& [13:21:02] [1/2] Specifically for the markers, I've been using this [13:21:03] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465698115683352754/image.png?ex=697a0d3e&is=6978bbbe&hm=500f8e39baca4fec488b0b8493741c255bd45e0f7612d314d9d98910823459e0& [13:36:43] Yes. It doesnt make the graphics [13:37:16] can you send a link [13:37:25] have u checked how theyve done it [13:38:28] hmm i see the issue now [13:38:35] the template stylesheet uses citizen variables [13:38:40] you just need to change it then you're all good [13:39:14] Idk where that is [13:40:02] [1/2] https://pimverse.miraheze.org/wiki/Templates [13:40:02] [2/2] This is the page I use to test templates. The very last thing on the page is a timeline directly copied from the og page for testing purposes [13:45:34] MobileFrontend does that. There's meant to be some configuration for it but I don't think it's available in ManageWiki [13:53:52] thus you have to request via phorgr [14:43:49] When will MH support function Citoid? [15:02:26] is it possible to get rid of the "Mark this page as patrolled" button on wiki pages? idk what it changes if anything (?) and its just a small visual annoyance to admins [15:03:19] [1/2] AHHHHHHHHHH MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:03:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465723857003479102/image.png?ex=697a2537&is=6978d3b7&hm=d4d551e6a387604317ac9dcd3685884a5015ed51c2bfb3f9578661ade2583ee3& [15:04:06] It's just like a little marker that the page has been checked by admins, doesn't really do anything but there's no way to get rid of it afaik [15:05:58] [1/2] pog [15:05:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465724521758851212/image.png?ex=697a25d5&is=6978d455&hm=2fad6c878afc398acfe4950dda80699222a93d60fbc2052cb700dac6e434a8ad& [15:08:37] miraheze is down? [15:08:50] [1/2] let me just ask a general question: [15:08:50] [2/2] bad gateway can be caused by pinging the server too many times right [15:09:05] set `wgUseRCPatrol` to false [15:09:09] [1/2] nope actually i think it is down [15:09:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465725324863209657/image.png?ex=697a2695&is=6978d515&hm=5f813a2bdc6d4b3793689b658dcddb46c9fcfce5eb3c7665acbd62dde87b78ba& [15:09:22] Unlikely [15:09:38] Yes it is [15:09:46] great [15:09:52] i wasn't being delusional thank god [15:10:23] [1/2] mmmm yes this is currently trying its hardest to not explode [15:10:23] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465725632943100070/image.png?ex=697a26de&is=6978d55e&hm=03a0529c528a9f361cd649d1d529949a756202bb9d0d3c1f00d26a18dcc29da2& [15:10:28] -# please dont explode [15:10:30] haha [15:10:43] @pskyechology you need to me look? [15:10:54] I'm supposed to be paying attention to day job's project meeting [15:11:05] idek understand any of this i just know this is trying its hardest to not explode [15:11:07] you wouldn't miss out on anything [15:11:13] also skye HI!!!!!!!!!!! [15:11:53] had to check here if other people were having the same problem lol [15:12:11] @paladox [15:12:15] i dont think i can tell varnish to pipe down [15:12:32] seems intermittent, i can occasionally get things to load [15:12:48] @pskyechology is it the weird issue we've been having again [15:12:50] are miraheze's servers located in North America? [15:12:56] Yes [15:13:06] the snow got to em.... [15:13:22] @paladox can you force everything to healthy please [15:13:23] cant think of anything else [15:13:24] somebody is still tryna convince me that it's miraheze throttling my ip [15:13:27] @pskyechology I blame you, you def broke the servers its always ur fault [15:13:40] war [15:13:49] #AlwaysBlameSkye [15:13:49] i blame the snow [15:14:05] An apple a day keeps the servers away [15:14:07] skye farted [15:14:22] tell this to someone in the genius bar and they'll explode @whostacking [15:14:31] lmaoo [15:14:31] we have our official reason of why the mh servers went down right here [15:14:33] wth is going on [15:14:45] it's funny because i haven't edited my wiki in like weeks and ten minutes ago i was like "you know what i should do? edit my wiki" [15:14:46] Can we consider growing up a little please [15:15:10] crazy [15:15:21] done [15:15:22] [1/2] i won't lose this right [15:15:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465726889325756602/image.png?ex=697a280a&is=6978d68a&hm=826b79ffb825be4c606c514dd81b6797df56c106ad226e0bb5442ca682d39f15& [15:15:29] im lowk burnt out from editing my wiki lol i just be doing anything in there [15:15:32] ayyy [15:15:32] it works [15:15:34] 🗣️ [15:15:51] thanks <@&1237117175555297413> [15:15:51] yeah I got wiki burnout after the setup period [15:16:04] at skye thx [15:16:14] thank you tech team! stay warm [15:16:31] :lambdalaugh: [15:16:33] https://tenor.com/view/god-bless-miraheze-god-bless-miraheze-fandom-wiki-gif-14903733252958843574 [15:17:01] https://tenor.com/view/god-bless-fandom-god-bless-fandom-wiki-miraheze-gif-17358418883085533391 [15:17:04] now, do i actually add useful data to my wiki, or do i instead figure out how to do more sick CSS tricks [15:17:12] does anyone know how to see special:moderation in visual [15:17:16] i hate looking at wikitext [15:17:19] espically tables [15:17:33] [1/2] why is my wiki look like this? [15:17:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465727437554978989/image.png?ex=697a288d&is=6978d70d&hm=7c86691bd005e1a1a816c497787e4811fca5336b2f6835f0fa240a915cf4f60d& [15:17:38] refresh [15:17:42] refresh [15:17:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465727535202439427/image.png?ex=697a28a4&is=6978d724&hm=d4bc52a960aa516c9539c3538f63158ea7818cbc1a25d2b5749d95ebe50771d9& [15:18:14] ty [15:18:19] np [15:18:32] you should be able to hit "preview" [15:18:39] nahh [15:18:42] it's just wikitext [15:18:46] really? [15:18:49] wait let me try to get a pic [15:18:56] I swear thats what showed the page rendered for me [15:18:58] wdym [15:19:01] unless im tweaking [15:19:24] set `wgModerationPreviewLink` to true [15:19:40] i'm not the admin [15:19:41] wait let me just [15:19:43] the author envisioned that you shouldnt need to see the preview originally [15:19:54] well then you get to pester a bureaucrt [15:19:58] <@917418635109216327> [15:20:06] not even in this server uhh [15:20:09] unknown user [15:20:16] 😍 [15:20:28] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465728171272966293/r6P0NWa.png?ex=697a293b&is=6978d7bb&hm=8c6f930b8ad1a738f79dd48ee3bbe5687e45b97f4e84a1ae94b9baac626c7de5& [15:20:32] [1/3] ehehehehehe [15:20:32] [2/3] the power is in my hands [15:20:33] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465728189056942132/image.png?ex=697a2940&is=6978d7c0&hm=9614131b0e66cdef51c3be91341734a869785df9e4cc13dffb4dbea304c65618& [15:20:47] our wiki admin soo [15:20:54] ven codr [15:21:43] imagine this server banned 67 [15:22:04] you'd think techies here know 67 [15:22:10] yes [15:22:41] i mean do you want me to [15:22:55] no no no [15:22:59] don't you dare [15:23:38] its disabled but the button still appears [15:25:41] that would result in you banning yourself [15:25:44] you ARE the brainrot [15:26:08] im gonna give you 6 or 7 seconds until you regret [15:26:20] 67 [15:26:25] this is hell [15:26:27] goodbye [15:26:32] lmaoo [15:26:36] goodbyee [15:26:36] mute frankling for 6.7 seconds 🧌 [15:27:41] ded chat [15:27:44] what happeed [15:31:42] Imma make a support page @whostacking [15:32:22] Please see my messages after initial reply [15:32:28] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465731192505765919/image0.jpg?ex=697a2c0c&is=6978da8c&hm=dfb4efe982fd25df7e4e11b91d8a270de6641be42f2b3e676e7e7777cdd9e281& [15:34:39] Sorry I missed them in the chaos(need people to ping me in replys or I miss the comments.) Ill try this out and send results in the support channel [15:36:49] Bear in mind this is mostly a support server, there won't always be anything to talk about. [15:38:33] no worries ! all good [16:15:38] [1/2] so uh [16:15:38] [2/2] is mirahaze tweaking [16:15:40] down again or just me? [16:15:45] sigh [16:15:47] not just you [16:15:49] i got it too [16:16:00] mh dead again [16:16:01] i knew smth was off [16:16:16] @pskyechology mh dead again twin [16:16:19] go fix [16:16:43] oh wait no thats @paladox hi looks like servers died again [16:16:49] was about to edit a wiki page for pressure [16:17:04] [1/2] speaking of which [16:17:05] [2/2] i got automod today :D [16:17:35] :o is it alive again [16:17:38] looks to be [16:17:43] its just sporatically going down [16:17:57] seems to have resolved [16:18:03] noice [16:18:12] sul3 in 3 days! [16:18:17] guys why is the wiki slow for me? [16:18:23] can you believe it? just 3 days away! [16:18:32] i am so happy about this information [16:22:18] went down the second u started editing [16:22:26] praise the lord [16:23:08] nuh uh [18:52:00] File suppression? [18:57:40] can someone resuscitate the servers? [18:58:11] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> wut [18:58:15] they are once again calling the gateway bad :( [18:58:20] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> my wiki link just sent me to the main miraheze.org [18:58:26] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> and it loaded fine now [18:58:32] servers are much panik rn [18:58:33] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> yeah server's are stroking out [18:58:52] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465783132279279799/2Q.png?ex=697a5c6b&is=69790aeb&hm=52f80641692c5b384ddca3c51213fd67be0c807f4742ff9fcebea50cd2012295& [18:59:02] #gatewaydidnothingwrong [18:59:37] seems to be recovering [18:59:58] day three to my wiki being on the request list... [19:00:07] someone pls approve it already 😭 [19:00:13] they're trying their best! it's been sporadic bad gateway for the last few hours at least. [19:00:34] oh theyre fixing mira? [19:01:24] could be - there's a big update coming in a few days for domain-wide account logins, so that might be part of it. https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1464031887579156573 [19:01:48] ah that explains it [19:04:37] no it is not [19:06:25] :ThinkerMH: [19:11:33] Nah, there's no downtime for it, usually the ones with downtime are the ones that reduce downtime [20:37:49] [1/2] is there any way to make this work [20:37:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465808034667167765/image.png?ex=697a739c&is=6979221c&hm=389e7585b32a03bbe4b699a9e476ac243e7b2bc08f6ea53f077d320cd7c442bb& [20:51:32] In theory it should work I think [20:51:37] What's the page it's on? [20:58:44] [20:59:39] unless theres some magic word wiki text setting or something i dont have enabled [21:01:01] I don't think galleries accept anything other than filenames. You might have success in throwing that in a template. [21:03:50] I think that might need sending upstream [21:03:57] <_chrs_> you can use the `tag` parser function for this [21:04:01] <_chrs_> let me give an example [21:04:04] Oh cool [21:04:10] Someone has an idea [21:04:13] Hi @_chrs_ [21:04:23] i keep forgetting about that lil guy (named tag, not chrs) [21:04:38] <_chrs_> `{{#tag:gallery|File:{{FULLPAGENAME}} showcase.gif|A clip of {{FULLPAGENAME}} being used.}}` [21:04:52] <_chrs_> ack wait no not that [21:05:03] <_chrs_> gotta escape the pipe [21:05:38] <_chrs_, replying to rhinosf1> hello! [21:06:38] <_chrs_> I think you would use `{{!}}` here [21:07:39] <_chrs_> so try this: `{{#tag:gallery|File:{{FULLPAGENAME}} showcase.gif{{!}}A clip of {{FULLPAGENAME}} being used.|heights=200px|widths=200px}}` [21:08:24] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> :thanks: [21:08:38] haha that works a dream [21:08:39] thanks [21:08:49] no way i was gonna figure that out myself [21:09:51] <_chrs_> funnily enough my first idea upon seeing this was "oh yeah, modules let you separate content from control flow, do that" but no MW has us covered! [21:09:57] <_chrs_, replying to kai84> np [21:10:34] I mean it really should expand the magic word properly and do what it's supposed to [21:10:49] But that probably means parser fun [21:10:55] To fix [21:12:50] yeah that's always an issue with parser tags [21:13:31] <_chrs_> wikitext is an `''experience''` [21:14:21] i think you made a typo in spelling PITA [21:14:21] <_chrs_, replying to rhinosf1> see if it was made to work more sanely then it'd break everything built around the current incarnation [21:15:01] doesn't wmf do that anyway [21:15:04] That's what happens when you have stupid technical debt [21:16:23] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> I think you misspelled [[w:Template:str len/core]] [21:16:24] [21:16:52] This is why I recommended to my interoperability group we make changes early rather than put them off, less technical debt to fix for future working group me [21:18:10] ow my eyes [21:18:32] im so glad they invented the moon [21:19:00] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> behold the glory of LUA [21:19:34] stylized as Lua, mind you [21:19:48] or if you're unfunny you sometimes call it the moon like me [21:20:24] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> never heard of that one before [21:20:47] > Lua (/ˈluːə/ LOO-ə; from Portuguese: lua [ˈlu(w)ɐ] meaning moon) [21:21:04] welp the new norm wiki has fully recovered form the incident [21:21:19] <_chrs_, replying to not_nonasoft4274> glad to hear [21:21:36] now i need to actually finish across the normiverse (dont ask) [21:21:53] bit of an ouchie to have all the admins sleep while someone fills it with nsfw content [21:22:00] <_chrs_> also you just know that, for whoever did it, naming Scribunto was one of the best moments of their life [21:22:11] yeah gotta make a bot to prevent this from happening again [21:22:26] there's also the wonderful extension named moderation [21:22:56] well [21:23:19] if i can customize what is moderated then i might actually set that up [21:23:32] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> I remember one point a few years ago we had a problem with some guy putting goatse on Meta, nasty time [21:23:36] and write they did [21:24:47] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> we love putting well-crafted lines of Latin in random places [21:24:50] [1/3] > $wgModerationOnlyInNamespaces [21:24:50] [2/3] > If set to an array of namespace numbers (e.g. $wgModerationOnlyInNamespaces = [ NS_MAIN, NS_FILE ];), moderation is only enabled in these namespaces (edits in other namespaces will bypass moderation). Default (empty array): moderation is enabled everywhere. [21:24:50] [3/3] > [(link)](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Moderation#:~:text=time%20has%20elapsed).-,%24wgModerationOnlyInNamespaces,namespaces%20will%20bypass%20moderation).%20Default%20(empty%20array)%3A%20moderation%20is%20enabled%20everywhere.,-%24wgModerationIgnoredInNamespaces) [21:24:56] welp time to turn this on [21:25:23] we love latin overall cause it makes us look smart [21:26:56] next I will drop into an analysis of how e pluribus unum is actually about capitalism or something [21:27:02] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> you know what we love? using the present active participle as a noun instead of an adjective. [21:27:22] hold on i gotta google that [21:32:50] gonna have to sacrific comment streams tho [21:33:09] ill see what (our) discord thinks [21:34:28] nvm im just gonna get a headache from linguistics [21:35:33] this is why people added a programming language to mediawiki, jesus christ [21:36:25] add an n to lua to get [21:36:26] https://tenor.com/view/luna-princess-luna-mlp-my-little-pony-nightmare-moon-gif-13450690682498870539 [21:37:03] omg the most common tgirl name ever, is that you? [21:37:12] <_chrs_, replying to blankeclair> yeah turns out using a programming language instead of hacking one together from wikitext eventually outweighs the convenience of just using wikitext [21:37:34] 🇧🇷 [21:37:38] lmeow [21:40:32] something something doom wikitext [21:42:21] <_chrs_, replying to blankeclair> `safesubst:` says hi [21:42:53] wat [21:43:02] im scared to know why/how that is needed [21:43:30] we should get random to find a way to bypass the recursion limit [21:43:41] that way, we can have wikitext be turing complete [21:44:17] just go explode the code that tells it to die on too many recursions [21:44:32] it'd be funny if we did it in prod [21:47:41] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> [1/3] okay, so you know how you can both substitute templates and transclude them right? well sometimes you want to be able to substitute a template that contains things to substitute (classic example here is magic words like `FULLPAGENAME`), but you also want to be able to transclude it. `safesubst` acts like `subst` during substitution but transcludes during tran [21:47:41] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> [2/3] sclusion; however, we don't want that substitution to take place when we save the template, so the `` prevents that [21:47:42] <_chrs_, replying to pskyechology> [3/3] TL;DR [[mw:Help:Substitution#Multilevel substitution]] [21:47:42] [22:02:13] [[mh:battlecats:Module:Cache]] recursive substitution with actual usage in production [22:02:14] [22:02:43] luan [22:04:31] is moderation just a Roblox wiki thing? We've had basically 0 serious trolls on the Battle Cats wiki ever since migration. we used to get the occasional one on Fandom [22:04:41] or is it a we disabled visual editor thing [22:06:23] visual editor is a big factor, before swapping recently all my experience with wikis was on fandom and I agree there can be a big trolls problem over there (or just clueless editors) [22:06:32] quite useful for wikis that attract vandals due to their nature, such as the norm wiki which is just pure shitposting or roblox wikis which have readerbases that have the average age of around "GDPR violation"" [22:07:26] We had one vandal on Equestripedia but that was that [22:07:40] i would have 7 cluster headaches if fischwiki didn't have moderation on [22:07:55] i use moderation to ensure quality mostly tbh [22:07:57] we have some people who occasionally vandalise a few pages and some who say slurs in comments [22:08:38] but nobody is doing things like moving pages to say about doing certain things to underage characters [22:10:05] I would have 7 cluster headaches if moderation was on for the BC wiki tbh. I don't have the energy to make sure everything people say is factual and is an improvement over things before, I mainly just do a load of patrolling every few weeks [22:10:51] just have an army of nerds do the job for you [22:10:56] that was also a heavy issue when i was doing mod queue for fisch [22:11:03] things would sit in queue for weeks bc no one wanted to fact check it [22:11:57] <_chrs_> imo moderation is kinda a "last resort before removing public edit access" type thing [22:12:00] skill issue for not making the editors knowledgeable in balancing staff earlier [22:12:30] eventually they got around to that [22:14:46] [1/2] and by a bit of patrolling I mean the log looks like this [22:14:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465832430857490576/image.png?ex=697a8a55&is=697938d5&hm=1e0afab2a8586280fe544f820b29d576f669def861ad27b023f9865472fc3fcf& [22:15:54] chrs are you typing an essay [22:16:00] <_chrs_, replying to _chrs_> it works if you understand it as "this is designed to stop obvious vandals from spamming `hello.jpg` all over the wiki" (ensure all edits are not obvious vandalism) vs "ensure all edits are good" (if you want to do that use patrolling) [22:16:19] <_chrs_, replying to thewwrnerdguy> this is what happens when one expounds on philosophy [22:17:10] ah the classic taking 15 hours for 2 sentences because you want them to be perfect [22:17:37] <_chrs_, replying to thewwrnerdguy> :trout:Self-trout [22:18:00] i love gambling whether my casual messages are understood in the way i intended [22:18:28] <_chrs_, replying to _chrs_> tldr wiki works when everyone can edit (cf. BRD cycle) and moderation gets in the way of that (unless you just automoderate anyone with vague pulse) [22:18:58] me when I had 2 weeks to write a 10,000 word thesis and I could barely manage to get 500 words a day [22:19:24] 15 hours for 2 sentences and then deciding to not send it since i couldn't word it right :EpicFaceMH: [22:19:27] ...you didn't do all 10k 8 hours before the deadline? [22:19:44] I am not capable of that [22:19:53] I am extremely envious of the people who are [22:19:59] obviously we need to stick more energy drinks and anxiety in you [22:20:13] This is the good thing about not being management at work [22:20:35] If I want to call someone an idiot, I can call them an idiot to my boss / tech lead and tell them to relay the message [22:20:55] never had an energy drink because they just seem like a really weird thing to consume [22:21:00] You can not do a 10k thesis in 8 hours [22:21:10] My 10k thesis was hell on earth [22:21:24] you right but I can die trying [22:21:30] I don't actually think anyone outside the reviewers has ever even read it too [22:21:33] I know someone who managed it in about 1 week [22:21:46] Apart from the like 5 bullet point recommendation summary at the end [22:22:06] any caffeine at all? honestly energy drinks are somewhere between soda and cough syrup [22:22:21] I've had coffee [22:22:31] usually doesn't help much [22:22:37] and a lot of people think that's a weird drink [22:22:54] same for energy drinks, just a different taste really [22:23:01] and carbonation because people love that [22:23:03] I don't do energy drinks or coffee [22:23:08] I far prefer hot chocolate [22:23:21] no wonder you're so zen all the time [22:23:37] I mainly drink tea and water [22:23:42] <_chrs_, replying to rhinosf1> literally me [22:23:51] we're in #offtopic territory i just realized [22:24:33] #general should be renamed #offtopic and #offtopic should be renamed #offtopic-2 [22:24:40] Tea and Water Wiki 👍 [22:24:43] made it on topic [22:24:45] ... [22:24:51] why does my wiki request keep being pushed down in the queue 😢 [22:25:00] approaching dy 4 now [22:25:21] https://fxtwitter.com/oscgoat/status/2014537038536835320?s=46 [22:25:40] If it's gone to human review then that's a perfectly normal wait time [22:25:46] They are reviewed in order [22:26:28] Theses and wiki writing are very similar. [22:26:57] It can be a struggle just to get one basic page out one day, and then other days you just lock in and fill out a huge swath in one sitting [22:26:58] <_chrs_, replying to rhinosf1> [1/4] ``` [22:26:58] <_chrs_, replying to rhinosf1> [2/4] To: stewards@miraheze.org [22:26:59] <_chrs_, replying to rhinosf1> [3/4] Subject: Suppression Request [22:26:59] <_chrs_, replying to rhinosf1> [4/4] ``` [22:27:15] <_chrs_> that would literally be me [22:27:16] I moved to #offtopic [22:27:31] I mean that's just my brain in general [22:27:45] Some days are absolute genius and some days I barely do anything [22:28:00] Older requests can sometimes reopen, which is what would push it further down [22:28:16] I'm just about through our backlog of account request emails, wiki request queue is next [22:28:25] @_chrs_ can I have the steward request form this user is impersonating me [22:37:20] ooh ok [22:42:38] www. mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:EasyTimeline [22:42:44] is this possible to install? [22:43:07] or would i need to somehow contact the developers of mirahaze? [22:43:20] #verify for links btw [22:43:46] You can enable it in Special:ManageWiki/extensions [22:44:56] its not in there from what i could tell [22:45:04] no wait [22:45:07] im an idiot [22:45:22] well at least i got registered out of this lol [22:53:21] it's just called Timeline. on testing it doesn't appear to quite work the same as on wikipedia though [22:53:34] but simple use cases should be fine [22:53:45] [1/2] works fairly well for what i need [22:53:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465842241124958279/image.png?ex=697a9378&is=697941f8&hm=c7db1c78094b7287adecafe92d5a52e28b5458b4c817fc355fd221ac9d855a5d& [22:53:56] gonna mess with it more tho [22:56:18] <_chrs_, replying to therealbeef1213> [1/2] "Vladimir Ilyich Lenin" "Test" [22:56:18] <_chrs_, replying to therealbeef1213> [2/2] truly one of the charts of all time [22:56:37] [1/2] the bruh [22:56:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465842963417530482/image.png?ex=697a9424&is=697942a4&hm=d605ab6f83f31d1411229fd7b137ccabed99b832268514d58ed4c8ca6a3db806& [22:57:09] worry not, this isnt supposed to have those lol [23:01:57] Seeing this on AVID too [23:02:47] :pupCoffeeMH: coffee break [23:03:04] [1/2] can someone correct me if im wrong, this means if currency is equal to "Token" then its category token card, if not, then category base card [23:03:04] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465844588014080051/image.png?ex=697a95a7&is=69794427&hm=e6da3fe75735236ac4023635841e8c2b1d7bf67cc16c9f0a8801e73d058cc2b0& [23:03:17] @abaddriverlol wikis r ded AGAIN (its prolly gonna resolve by the time you see this) [23:03:37] oh [23:03:51] It's a sign!! no way @rodejong , it'll be another day. 🫤 😅 [23:04:09] I love wikis dying 10 times a day its the peak miraheze experience [23:05:05] right when i get home and can actually edit too [23:05:07] <_chrs_, replying to kai84> that would be correct [23:05:07] I barely had a day off to review the images. 🤣 @rodejong [23:05:28] No worries [23:05:29] x2 [23:06:15] It's why I often have my "notepad++" to keep editing. [23:06:25] <_chrs_, replying to rodejong> love notepad++ [23:06:40] And before I submit, I make a CTRL+A and CTRL+C [23:06:46] notepad++ goated for when I dont wanna open vsc [23:06:55] Best writing tool for me at least [23:07:26] <_chrs_> me when I'm writing something and really should just pull out a proper IDE but keep using NPP because it has just enough features to work [23:09:34] <_chrs_> it can (a) keep indentation in line, (b) highlight matching bracket/braces/parentheses, and (c) suggest words that already exist in the document and know when to do that based on intervening special characters [23:09:35] <_chrs_> all one needs [23:10:47] [1/2] I made a wiki and I'm wondering why I'm getting this warning [23:10:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465846529968439410/Screenshot_2026-01-28-07-10-09-75_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg?ex=697a9776&is=697945f6&hm=79e5293a786b841edebb36b446888608b9219ecda2fc84c8284ae4b3550227ef& [23:10:57] r u logged in [23:10:59] you dont have bureaucrat perms it seems [23:11:07] Ywah [23:11:20] How would I become one? [23:11:22] okay it could be an issue of wiki created when server was down and maintenance script didnt assign perms [23:11:51] what's the wiki [23:11:53] yes diva [23:11:55] Oh yeah I remember my wiki had a bad gateway error [23:11:59] [[SR/P]] [23:11:59] [23:12:03] or #verify if you need to send a link [23:12:05] https://sabrinaonline.miraheze.org/ [23:12:13] yea mh giving me a rage induced headache [23:12:31] nb giving u a headache ur just giving one urself [23:13:15] I verified now [23:13:43] based on https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Raceriel you should be a bureaucrat [23:13:43] I tried to check list users but the wiki is private 😭 [23:14:09] oh yeah CA exists [23:14:24] Sweet, thanks [23:14:41] Just wondering, can other members edit this wiki? Because this is technically a group effort [23:14:46] I'm just soley running the wiki [23:15:11] (I had to switch it because fandom closed the original wiki I made ) [23:15:33] <_chrs_> yeah people who you add as members will be able to read and edit [23:15:36] if someone goes to your wiki and clicks log in then they will have a local account attached. you can go to Special:ListUsers to see all users with a local acount [23:15:45] Alrighty [23:17:43] And I can restrict the editing access to these certain local accounts? [23:18:44] Like giving special access to certain and specific accounts if that's possible [23:19:55] <_chrs_, replying to raceriel> by default, the way this works is that a private wiki can only be read or edited by members so if you make someone a member they can read and edit [23:20:05] <_chrs_> you can change that if you want though [23:23:03] not right now it seems, look like the wiki is private [23:23:17] so nobody can even read it [23:23:19] let alone edit [23:24:26] well yeah but you can add members to a private wiki as chrs was saying [23:25:23] I got from the message that it was intended to be read not edited by general public but I might have misinterpreted, idk [23:32:01] This wiki is private for now so that I can get a feel on how this site works [23:32:09] I'll make it public once I feel like it's ready [23:32:21] I can make it public right? [23:32:34] yes diva ! Special:ManageWiki/core [23:32:55] just note that if you want help with things it would be easier for us to help if it's public [23:33:10] Ah I can do that [23:34:23] But if it were to be public wouldn't there be like trolls that would edit the articles or whatnot [23:34:23] I'm just concerned about that [23:34:39] wouldn't be impossible to help but it would be limited to a select few users [23:35:06] i mean, can open up temporarily in case help is needed [23:35:29] also you can limit editing to registered users or admins [23:35:32] Oh yeah [23:35:50] that's probably going to happen regardless for any decently-sized wiki. If you're concerned you can use an extension like Moderation. personally I'd suggest not using it unless you see an imminent need for it though [23:36:02] I see I see [23:36:10] Right now the wiki just started so yeah [23:36:47] So all I need for other fans to help is to make the wiki public and ask them to create a miraheze account in order to edit the said wiki? [23:37:06] Correct if I'm wrong [23:37:30] yeah that sounds about right [23:38:27] you might want to remove editing permissions from the `(everyone)`/`*` user group as IP editing generally isn't useful [23:39:11] What's that [23:39:20] Which wiki is this? I can fix now [23:40:01] Oh, I see you should already have all proper permissions [23:41:18] Special:ManageWiki/permissions, you can edit which groups have which rights. `(everyone)`/`*` is everyone including logged out users; if a user is logged out and tries to edit a page then the edit gets recorded as being done by their IP [23:41:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_manage_who_can_edit_my_wiki [23:41:54] yeah I should probably remember these pages lol [23:46:17] To be fair I didn't touch nothing lol [23:46:37] Ahhh [23:46:45] So I guess I should remove that then huh? [23:53:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1465857391991193600/mirahezeserver.jpg?ex=697aa194&is=69795014&hm=743d72eb347d5aa7393d6c8140f11bd73d5b9fed5af6cb0c4da2d01080344d34&