[00:24:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> Miraheze's seo isn't that great as it is.
[00:35:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to bartomelow> [1/6] Enabling dark mode by default requires access to the LocalSettings.php file, on the FTP file server of the webhost.
[00:35:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to bartomelow> [2/6] ```php
[00:35:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to bartomelow> [3/6] $wgDefaultSkin = 'vector'; // or 'vector-2022'
[00:35:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to bartomelow> [4/6] $wgVectorDefaultTheme = 'dark';
[00:35:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to bartomelow> [5/6] ```
[00:35:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to bartomelow> [6/6] Giving you access to those files opens up risk to Miraheze as a filehosting platform. Which is why someone that can be trusted to edit them is doing so.
[00:37:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> [1/2] yall i have a kinda dumb question but this image positioning is bugging me SO. BAD. what parameters do i need to add to fix this 😭
[00:37:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446299377751691485/image.png?ex=69337ac2&is=69322942&hm=27f5cd0681511faa0168bebcdbdbc88e38bf654094b5b93f7fbc811dd44fe1a6&
[00:37:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to bartomelow> [1/3] You could make a dark mode style as the default for common.css.
[00:37:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to bartomelow> [2/3] As I have done here.
[00:37:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to bartomelow> [3/3] <https://substrate.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page>
[00:37:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> like why on earth is it a lil more towards the bottom
[00:39:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> I assume that is a template. It just looks like there is top padding that needs reduced.
[00:39:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av, replying to soaringmoon> OH ok ill try messing w the padding and see if it gets fixed
[00:40:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> I can take a look at it if you need.
[00:41:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av, replying to soaringmoon> [1/2] ok forgive me for this trashy text LOL
[00:41:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av, replying to soaringmoon> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446300327501496340/image.png?ex=69337ba5&is=69322a25&hm=14917104045d3567873475a953c6e0caa8ab923d165f9dd20db6db1d52e78f7d&
[00:41:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> im just trying to get the templates out asap since the wiki is like brand new
[00:42:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> also no matter how i adjust the padding under background
[00:42:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> the image is STILL a lil towards the bottom
[00:43:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> linkie to wikie?
[00:43:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> Can you send me to your template page?
[00:43:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av, replying to soaringmoon> i havent made the template yet, im just trying to experiment on my userpage
[00:43:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> https://darkesthours.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Klav
[00:44:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> since im gonna be making like diff versions of this base for stubs, upcoming content bla bla bla
[00:44:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> can u guys tell im a certified css newbie
[00:59:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [1/19] ```html
[00:59:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [2/19] <div style="border: 6px ridge #708090;
[00:59:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [3/19] background: linear-gradient(#36454F, #13181c);
[00:59:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [4/19] padding: 10px;
[00:59:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [5/19] width: auto;
[00:59:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [6/19] margin: 10px auto 10px auto;">
[00:59:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [7/19]   <table style="width: 100%; border-collapse: collapse;">
[00:59:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [8/19]     <tr valign="middle">
[00:59:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [9/19]       <td style="width: 80px; padding-right: 15px; text-align: center;">[[File:Cool_Placeholder.webp|80px]]/td
[00:59:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [10/19]       <td>
[00:59:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [11/19]         <font size=+2>'''"It was as though it were merely a dream."'''/font
[00:59:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [12/19]         This page contains content removed or scrapped from Darkest Hours for the foreseeable future. This page contains content removed or scrapped from Darkest Hours for the foreseeable future.
[00:59:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [13/19]         <small>'''Reason ▪︎ [TEST DESCRIPTION HERE.]'''/small
[00:59:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [14/19]       /td
[00:59:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [15/19]     /tr
[00:59:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [16/19]   /table
[00:59:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [17/19] /div
[00:59:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [18/19] ```
[00:59:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to k1av> [19/19] Alright, I've done it with a table, but the td text is in a pre tag for some reason.
[00:59:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> wait I'm dumb 4 spaces
[01:01:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> You can center the text where needed, I removed it for testing.
[01:04:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> HOORAY!!!
[01:33:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hazel_96.> Hi there! My wiki was accepted but uh, where do you find it?
[01:35:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Look at your wiki request!
[01:37:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Iirc what you put in the name section becomes it's subdomain, so [yourwikiname].miraheze.org
[01:39:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hazel_96.> Oh, I see
[01:39:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Or nope name and subdomain are separate ig, still should be on your wiki request
[01:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Apologies it had been a while since I had looked at the form
[01:39:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hazel_96.> Oh, nvm, I found it. Thanks!
[01:44:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Yw!
[03:55:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <anpang54> is anyone else getting 502s?
[03:55:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <giantguy> https://tenor.com/view/forced-smile-britney-spears-mistake-sorry-gif-10654490
[03:56:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zhivamky, replying to anpang54> yeah 😭
[03:56:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <giantguy> Backish
[03:57:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> Hi, back. I'm dad.
[03:58:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <giantguy, replying to wickerbasket2540> Dad I'm hungry
[03:59:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <anpang54> https://tenor.com/view/its-muffin-time-mr-muffin-asdfmovie-gif-27080208
[04:00:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> ASDF MENTIONED!!! 🗣️🔥
[04:03:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <giantguy> Wuh oh
[04:03:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <joanelectric> getting it too
[04:03:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <giantguy> I baked you a pie
[04:03:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <azve> bad gateway
[04:05:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ill page the nerds
[04:05:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <giantguy> I was just about to ping Claire. Phew
[04:05:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <giantguy> Thanks PixDeVl :yay:
[04:07:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> https://tenor.com/view/table-flip-angry-cat-mad-%E3%83%90%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A4%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC-gif-15956616
[04:07:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mp5a5> 500 bad gateways
[04:07:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> blaming grow the garden
[04:07:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mp5a5> https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-five-hundred-cigarettes-gif-6779891482871762392
[04:09:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <giantguy> Yayy :yay:
[04:09:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mickey96, replying to anpang54> Yes.
[04:10:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hekkamy> [1/2] anoda one
[04:10:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hekkamy> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446352928905367562/image.png?ex=6933aca2&is=69325b22&hm=cc3188672507100d169bca8149a3a1450e1c75818b8c6f96afef712011460bb7&
[04:10:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> [1/2] i think they fix it
[04:10:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446353076171571280/image.png?ex=6933acc5&is=69325b45&hm=a3f3e9fe1114297c582d09528f3e1e2429058973af4522ddcf02f34ad68ac045&
[04:10:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> last 12 hours ago
[04:11:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> :meguuuron:
[04:18:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises, replying to anpang54> Literally when I was about to save a page :DSSkull:
[04:18:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fumao1307_64943, replying to anpang54> me too
[04:19:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gonnalooseit> can confirm also getting bad gateway
[04:19:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> Hours of work all gone
[04:19:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Known issue
[04:19:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> Mass devastation
[04:19:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Infra people working on it
[04:19:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to twilightponyrises> may recommend enabling the Edit Recovery feature
[04:19:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> comes in handy with these things
[04:19:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> Also on portable infoboxes there’s some line that goes up to down
[04:19:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> +:?:
[04:20:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> don't close the tab if you get an error
[04:20:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> when the server comes back up, you can refresh and the edit saves
[04:20:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> And it’s during bedtime :ded:
[04:22:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <excesswharf9002> yo
[04:22:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <webusaito, replying to twilightponyrises> Ahh… that’s horrible. I usually do things in very small increments. I am new though.
[04:23:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <giantguy> Meow
[04:23:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gonnalooseit, replying to webusaito> I personally prefer doing smaller batches of edits instead of 1 massive edit
[04:24:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gonnalooseit> Depends on what im doing but thats how i go
[04:24:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <webusaito> I usually have to study the chapters to find the character that the wiki is about so I save it each time.
[04:28:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <webusaito> I believe maintenance is over
[04:30:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Wait so are other people getting the 500 gateway error too?
[04:35:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fluffythebeowolf> yes
[04:35:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> /were
[04:39:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Yippee...
[04:39:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Man I just wanted to edit a page about gay werewolves and I get slapped with the "server broke:("
[04:39:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Werewolves broke it, i swear
[04:43:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> It seems fixed now anyway, it'll actually let me use visual editor
[05:09:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yesimrandom> hello
[05:09:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> hi
[05:23:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Is there like a template page for miraheze that I can look at so I can create one myself that works?
[05:57:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nexawiki> [1/2] does this mean, just get more backlinks?
[05:57:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nexawiki> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446379872003031080/image.png?ex=6933c5b9&is=69327439&hm=1227ef11b1dcb59b501ecfcf13c1c7021052503285fc9a011fb8eef4626e0f89&
[05:57:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nexawiki> lmao
[06:31:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [1/4] So I have these infoboxes on the wiki I use for the music for my project. I'd like to make it so I don't have to add in formation to every row as they don't always apply so I want them to be able to be hidden just by not filling in that variable. Any help would be great since I'll use them for character templates as well.
[06:31:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [2/4] Here's the current code attached as well
[06:31:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446388539984969882/image.png?ex=6933cdcc&is=69327c4c&hm=90db7d829029a86c80c68910448d8f50156c59ff8b471b71fb5f296dd3ff1a4b&
[06:31:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446388540291285022/Infobox_Music_COPY.txt?ex=6933cdcc&is=69327c4c&hm=2982dd63e73041c648d797059c29539e3c735e0358b8c96ebc48f34aebc55715&
[06:33:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> I'd love to make one infobox template and then make sub templates per type of infobox but not quite there yet in coding to be able to know how to set it up, so I'm sticking to each infobox being there own templates for now
[06:47:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to fluffythebeowolf> nvm I figured it out
[07:51:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to gamerdanceryt> [1/4] making an entire row invisible if there's no data is done w/ parser function, but in such case it's recommended to use HTML tags instead of wiki table syntax (im not looking into txt, it's better to just link to template or use something like pastebin)
[07:51:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to gamerdanceryt> [2/4] I've made complicated table infoboxes on my own music wiki, if you are looking for examples
[07:51:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to gamerdanceryt> [3/4] but there's also PortableInfobox method which makes most things easier
[07:51:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to gamerdanceryt> [4/4] see also [[Infoboxes]]
[07:51:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes>
[08:48:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> Cloudflare error
[08:48:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> Its over
[08:50:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> Lol, I was just about to come ask about it. =p
[08:50:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <metal_pail> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446423472153559193/d2448e408c1240c9.png?ex=6933ee55&is=69329cd5&hm=8dfade5154f2e2e1f30c90d70838910def62738ea4ff6634a1dd1a1fb20be809&
[08:50:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> I'm assuming this isn't something miraheze can do to fix?
[08:50:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> Just when I was in my element doing tonnes of editing. =9
[08:51:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <anpang54, replying to horus_ra_wiki> there is no way cloudflare is down again
[08:51:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <anpang54> I was literally finishing a completely custom infobox template, now I just have to hope I can somehow get the edit back
[08:51:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sizau> boom
[08:51:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> You can click Back to try and recover the window when it's back up?
[08:52:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <anpang54> oh yay
[08:52:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <anpang54> ty bro
[08:52:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> I had that same issue so I enabled editor recovery. It restores what your had in the editor for a page.
[08:56:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus, replying to metal_pail> Right as I wanted to save my first page on a wiki.
[08:57:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> (Also, setting up a data repository to reference feels like a PITA, though I may just not know something)
[08:57:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> ATM, my approach is a JSON page that I can query via lua.
[08:57:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> To generate tables for inclusion in other pages
[09:00:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446426116901568532/image.png?ex=6933f0cb&is=69329f4b&hm=ab0afcedb136baa7b2bd5cb815e7d2ca50faadcdc5ff0f6da934cc9ff523b1a5&
[09:02:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <azve> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446426465766736057/image.png?ex=6933f11e&is=69329f9e&hm=0b813429fd0ceb1c8450348ccd3eeb00c0c844c7acdd61f41c1ab08b84e48ee3&
[09:12:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> oof
[09:12:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> we're back
[09:13:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> guys, old advice - before hitting save copy the entire code, even just keeping in clipboard might save you
[09:14:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> my mind basically automatically does this after every major edit
[09:14:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> it's deep in my instincts at this point
[09:14:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yup
[09:14:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Just navigating back did the trick for me
[09:14:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> this might help, yes
[09:14:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> or that extension
[09:14:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but i just do that automatically lol
[09:14:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus, replying to akronymus> Anyways, if anyone knows of a better way to deal with highly interconnected data I'd appreciate it.
[09:14:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> since wikia days
[10:18:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_manage_structured_data#Lua_with_a_JSON_page How do I actually then include the LUA generated content?
[10:21:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446446411007791274/1764930072565.jpg?ex=693403b2&is=6932b232&hm=40f60c7af04d7e59e1dc8c325ac93bf643345c758f61b24cdcb0c333ddcd8c12&
[10:22:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban> WTF?The photo which to be upload seems to be weird
[10:22:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus, replying to huannengqizhaban> Try toggling to light mode on the wiki
[10:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus, replying to akronymus> Ok, the trick was that I had to do `{{invoke:module|function}}` added that to the page (hopefully correctly)
[10:39:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to akronymus> Yep. That is not meant for beginners. Hopefully we can have some a lightweight Lua guide to link to at some point.
[10:42:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus, replying to posix_memalign> Eh, not that big a deal for me, I was just confused about the invoking aspect, and thought others could be, as well, so I just added it once I found out how to do it.
[10:42:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> Figured that'd be in the spirit of a wiki
[11:39:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to akronymus> in the meantime https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Battle_Cats_Wiki:Lua/Getting_started might be useful. it's not been updated since the fandom days and it's specific to the bc wiki but it should still have some value
[11:40:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Oh I know enough lua to be dangerous with it :p
[11:40:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> Just wasn't aware how to actually call a lua module in mediawiki
[13:06:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446487873904967742/Screenshot_2025-12-05_080442.png?ex=69342a4f&is=6932d8cf&hm=750456a79ac723bf5d02093bbf8f56534f41cb71bf8685dc4eaca05943fe8492&
[13:06:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> The annoying line...
[13:07:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> neon green over dark orange ...
[13:08:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to twilightponyrises> [1/2] `.pi-border-color {
[13:08:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to twilightponyrises> [2/2]     border-color: transparent !important; }`
[13:13:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahappyoreo, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Setting new trends in webdesign
[13:24:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> Oh
[13:27:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446493194874519672/IMG_8916.png?ex=69342f44&is=6932ddc4&hm=e64af0c936a95ce4172aed4bf90bc88ab84513f39a2fc3dfbb0f517e8948ebc9&
[13:27:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> That diagonal line really is triggering
[13:29:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> Hovering watchlist cause the line to disappear
[13:30:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446493965296865302/2025-12-05_08-30-02.mkv?ex=69342ffb&is=6932de7b&hm=6a5c811f3095da937644a2b011c8e460168837b5b7c8c20d166a12ca5fda210f&
[13:37:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> I checked the skins and Vector 2022 is the only to show the issue
[13:53:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you it's not image issue?
[14:00:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai> [1/4] hey guys
[14:00:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai> [2/4] quick question, sorry to bother y'all
[14:00:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai> [3/4] but there's no easy way to filter the Special:WantedPages page, right?
[14:00:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai> [4/4] i have a template with a butt ton of red links so i can't really see the actual red links i care about :(
[14:01:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> It’s not an image issue
[14:02:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> When I checked mobile there’s no diagonal line, only the desktop replicates this issue
[14:02:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> can you send the file over
[14:04:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> Ok
[14:05:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> https://tufst.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css
[14:05:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> https://tufst.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Vector-2022.css
[14:07:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> [1/2] No issue in mobile
[14:07:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446503195919515679/IMG_8917.png?ex=69343894&is=6932e714&hm=25d0b0db21146e704380d2e5ad4156e11c8d0553bb17d2954865ba7309cc1b8b&
[14:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <matuus01> hey! how can i set background?
[14:21:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> yooo
[14:21:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> how can i set a background?
[14:23:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to kubafn3321> in what skin
[14:23:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321, replying to bartomelow> wdym skin
[14:23:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> i just need wiki background
[14:23:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> for whole wiki
[14:23:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <su35.flanker, replying to kubafn3321> W alt switch matuus
[14:24:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321, replying to su35.flanker> lmao
[14:24:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> im soo bored
[14:24:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> i wanted to troll someone
[14:24:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> just came back from work
[14:24:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> and saw miraheze
[14:24:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> dc
[14:24:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> ;c
[14:25:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1293312886277406743/1343916790245494844/caption.gif
[14:25:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> btw
[14:25:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> hru?
[14:25:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> franklin
[14:25:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321> long time no see
[14:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <su35.flanker, replying to kubafn3321> im aight im doin alright wbu
[14:26:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kubafn3321, replying to su35.flanker> doing good, but bored
[14:50:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Is there a way to remove the "Switch to old look" in Vector 2022 without CSS?
[14:52:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> It will be gone in 1.45 (<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T361393>), not sure whether there's an option to remove it before that
[14:54:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [1/2] > Some projects are already hiding this via site CSS.
[14:54:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [2/2] So there's probably no option in 1.44
[14:54:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> So long, Old Vector
[14:54:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> ?
[14:56:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> See I’ve heard there will no longer be an option that can switch to old look
[14:57:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> it's the option in the sidebar
[14:57:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> you can still change it under special prefs
[15:00:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to toosplatched> that is if it isn't hidden
[15:01:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it just redirects you to user preferences
[15:02:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it was made just for 22 haters on wp after switch
[15:02:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i switched, ofc
[15:06:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twinreborn> Helo,,
[15:14:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hii
[15:20:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <twilightponyrises> Hi!
[15:41:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to kubafn3321> [1/3] There are many wiki skins installed, the wiki admin can select that skin for their wiki.
[15:41:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to kubafn3321> [2/3] The default skin is Vector 2022
[15:41:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to kubafn3321> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446527007511810099/image.png?ex=69344ec1&is=6932fd41&hm=526975333baeb804f34c6eaf374d1c28db8cb3a82d7058357036e121d2377395&
[15:44:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> [1/7] Changing the wiki appearance requires you to edit common.css.
[15:44:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> [2/7] Which requires knowledge of CSS, HTML elements, and targets.
[15:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> [3/7] To change the background something like.
[15:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> [4/7] ```css
[15:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> [5/7] body {background-image: url("paper.gif");}
[15:44:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> [6/7] ```
[15:44:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> [7/7] Will need to be added to https://<yourwikiname>.miraheze.org/wiki/mediaWiki:Common.css
[15:45:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> tl;dr - To change the background, you need to start learning the CSS scripting syntax.
[15:47:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lux.draconia> OH!!! OH!!! I HAVE SOMETHING TO HELP W LEARNING CSS SCRIPTING STUFF HOLD ON
[15:47:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lux.draconia> https://toyhou.se/31241929.tutorial-understanding-css
[15:49:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to lux.draconia> "we can't find that page"
[15:49:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lux.draconia> huh. weird
[15:50:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lux.draconia> rip </3
[16:00:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauce.official.2233> is there a way to enter your wiki through your profile? or is it link only?
[16:04:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> wdym?
[16:09:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to lux.draconia> there are lots of free simple css tutorials online tbh
[16:10:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to sauce.official.2233> you make up content of your user page like normal wiki page, and yeah it's just linking
[16:19:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauce.official.2233> [1/2] is it possible to make an image with text? (ignore the image it's a random wikipedia page)
[16:19:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauce.official.2233> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446536444846932090/image.png?ex=6934578b&is=6933060b&hm=bb0b21a5a4ec96042e813f8b9b03958653b4df3679991305d86f223bdf67c2e5&
[16:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban, replying to akronymus> how to fix the bugs?
[16:20:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus, replying to huannengqizhaban> It looks like the image got inverted colours
[16:20:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban, replying to akronymus> That should never happen
[16:20:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> Hence me asking to toggle to light mode to help maybe diagnose it
[16:21:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to sauce.official.2233> [1/2] `[[File:filename.extension|options|caption]]`
[16:21:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to sauce.official.2233> [2/2] You are looking for the "caption" area.
[16:21:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban> how I can set a namespace with designed userright?I want to set loginuser but only have autoconfirmed, I/F and sysop
[16:23:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauce.official.2233, replying to soaringmoon> how can i check all the files and pages of my wiki?
[16:32:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to sauce.official.2233> What are you looking for? or do you need a list of all pages?
[16:33:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> wiki/Special:AllPages
[16:34:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> You can also search for images by searching for `[[File:`, which should work.
[17:02:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to chair_senpai> not that I'm aware of no, other than blanking the template with all those red links
[17:06:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to thewwrnerdguy> omg that is actually a really good idea
[17:07:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to sauce.official.2233> there is Special:NewFiles (AllFiles?) and Special:AllPages
[17:07:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dexterdaybreaker> is there any way for me to add a category to specifically pages in Uncategorized files?
[17:10:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to thewwrnerdguy> (i think???) it worked (the WantedPages page still hasn't updated since today at 5am, but when i click one of those red links' links, it says "nothing links here")
[17:11:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauce.official.2233> how can i make a page?
[17:11:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched, replying to dexterdaybreaker> [1/2] by... editing them and adding the category manually..?
[17:11:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched, replying to dexterdaybreaker> [2/2] theres also UncategorizedPages
[17:11:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched, replying to sauce.official.2233> change url
[17:12:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauce.official.2233> and how can i create a hyperlink to that page?
[17:12:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to sauce.official.2233> [[linkname]]
[17:12:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Linkname?action=edit&redlink=1>
[17:12:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> [[How-to guides]]
[17:12:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/How-to_guides>
[17:12:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dexterdaybreaker, replying to toosplatched> i meant a mass editing way. there are over 100 pages in there.
[17:13:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dexterdaybreaker> i already know about uncategorized pages and that is irrelevant to what i currently need
[17:13:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to dexterdaybreaker> JavaScript Wiki Browser, MassEditRegex, AutoWikiBrowser etc.
[17:14:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> JWB only requires JS and you can use plain text although I don't know if it has a categorisation mode like AWB has
[17:14:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dexterdaybreaker> i see, thank you
[17:16:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> Are file names for including in a page case sensitive?
[17:16:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauce.official.2233, replying to bartomelow> how about a different page than the link?
[17:17:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauce.official.2233> would it be [[Test1]]][[insert link here]]
[17:17:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Test1?action=edit&redlink=1>
[17:17:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Insert_link_here?action=edit&redlink=1>
[17:26:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sauce.official.2233> can you make dropdown buttons, which upon clicking will expand to make a table for example?
[17:27:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to sauce.official.2233> [[page1|page2]]
[17:38:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> wiki/Special:WantedPages
[17:39:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai> lol
[17:39:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> [1/2] Special:LonelyPages
[17:39:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> [2/2] Special:DeadendPages
[17:44:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> [1/4] lonely pages is really the only one that actually seemed to work, for some reason dead end pages lists nothing
[17:44:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> [2/4] so does uncategorized
[17:44:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> [3/4] and short pages lists every page on the wiki because the only pages i've made rn are short lol
[17:44:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> [4/4] but the lonely one might actually be of use ONCE IT UPDATES SINCE IT LAST GOT UPDATED AT 5AM YESTERDAY
[17:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> [1/5] ShortPages lists the shortest pages on the wiki regardless of how long the minimum is.
[17:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> [2/5] UncategorizedPages lists pages without categories.
[17:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> [3/5] DeadendPages lists pages that when arrived to don't have out wikilinks (you should have any of these).
[17:49:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> [4/5] LonelyPages are also orphans. These are pages which no page on the wiki links to.
[17:49:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> [5/5] WantedPages shows how many pages are linking to a page that doesn't exist.
[17:51:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446559663486275739/image.png?ex=69346d2b&is=69331bab&hm=b80382c3509550870c6d29519fee39985646e3fd7bff16c26a91e89bdd4b5cfb&
[17:52:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> I have 10 pages linking to a nation full of people that has no description.
[18:01:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> How do I disable files from other wikis being used?
[18:01:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> special:managewiki/settings → disable miraheze commons
[18:02:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> ty
[18:03:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And instant commons / Wikimedia commons
[18:04:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> [1/3] my problem is, there's like 300 entries in WantedPages and 99% of them is just from Template:Routemap and it makes finding my own stuff harder lol
[18:04:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> [2/3] but i'll wait for the cache thing to update because i completely wiped out the docs page which had most of these links i think
[18:04:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446562790302154823/1764957844568.png?ex=69347015&is=69331e95&hm=788866a642cecdda14415918237238e367524bac13826aabdf687637e49f074b&
[18:05:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> \:P Sound like you should make Template:Routemap
[18:06:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> wot
[18:06:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai> it exists
[18:06:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai> andd i used it several times
[18:08:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon, replying to chair_senpai> Yet there is so much missing that it's clogging up wanted pages.
[18:08:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <soaringmoon> (You could probably just remove the redlinks from the offending pages also.
[18:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> [1/2] i think i did that fairly well because nearly every "2 links" i click, it says "no pages link to X"
[18:14:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to soaringmoon> [2/2] so i guess i just gotta wait for this list to update...?
[18:21:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to chair_senpai> That's due to the many dependencies Wikipedia Templates have
[18:21:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai> oh hi it's you again :DD
[18:21:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> You need to include all the dependencies, or delete te documentation pages
[18:22:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to rodejong> [1/3] i uh
[18:22:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to rodejong> [2/3] i deleted like 2 documentation pages
[18:22:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chair_senpai, replying to rodejong> [3/3] idk where else to look for now lol
[18:22:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> These documentation pages use a lot of other templates that are not necessary for the Template:Routemap to work
[18:22:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> our wiki is private right?
[18:22:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> iirc
[18:24:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Click on "`Template:Pp-template`" and then click in the toolbar on `What links here`
[18:25:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> You likely find more documentation pages that way
[18:51:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to rodejong> I heard wikipedia templates is too complicated for other wikj uses
[18:53:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> Too complicated ... depends on how well versed you are on Wikipedia itself
[18:53:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813> how to enable extensions?
[18:53:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dragos0813> [[Special:ManageWiki/Extensions]]
[18:53:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/Extensions>
[18:54:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Change "meta" to your own wiki's subdomain
[18:54:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> You need bureaucrat perm to add or remove extensions tho
[18:54:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to rodejong> Pretty sure theres a tab where it shows the manage wiki section
[18:54:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> And has all the links like core, etc
[18:55:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> Depends on the skin
[18:55:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> vector-2022 does indeed
[18:56:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813, replying to rodejong> [1/2] I can t see it here
[18:56:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813, replying to rodejong> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446575866288013382/image.png?ex=69347c42&is=69332ac2&hm=ae30db02df00d77bfa3c1a76ecf56f8bae2e31573607ee0bbf84a8e29fcc62d4&
[18:56:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dragos0813> What is it you want to enable?
[18:56:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> You can use the search function
[18:58:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813, replying to dragos0813> @rodejong idk its name, but here s the context
[18:58:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dragos0813> ?
[18:59:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813, replying to rodejong> click on the reply
[19:00:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dragos0813> VisualEditor
[19:00:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> Btw @rodejong what extensions would you recommend for a wiki
[19:00:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> I have visual editor & upload wiz on
[19:01:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> Depends totally on what you want to do, how you want to present it, and how you want to use it
[19:01:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I personally never used Visual editor.
[19:01:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to rodejong> Hmm I see, I suppose there’s a lot of extensions for a lot of things
[19:01:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Editing Templates and Tables in VE is buggy
[19:02:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to rodejong> I do, makes it easier for me to edit without having to add <br>
[19:02:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> And NOTOC? I have no idea what the hell is that
[19:02:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to rodejong> Yeah I can agree to that
[19:02:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> It’s really buggy
[19:02:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> NOTOC is what it means. "No Table of Content" the box that shows the main headers
[19:02:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> But it makes things work so
[19:02:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> Ohh alright
[19:03:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> Like images
[19:03:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Nah, I rather like to make the editor for each wiki what I need it for
[19:03:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> Fair enough
[19:04:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> Oh its 2 am
[19:04:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> I should grab some zs
[19:04:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser, replying to justanotherdarkmodeuser> On a weekend so that’s nice
[19:04:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justanotherdarkmodeuser> Night
[19:05:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446578144630018209/image.png?ex=69347e61&is=69332ce1&hm=abd63c875ff551b95e821f86fb10deaab7b411367ba6541b46c5a8828512da77&
[19:16:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813, replying to rodejong> I have enable it, but nothing happened?
[19:17:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to dragos0813> You also need to enable it now in your preferences
[19:17:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Each user needs to enable this in their preferences
[19:19:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813, replying to rodejong> thanks
[19:20:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813> [1/2] how do I fix the logo
[19:20:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446581936439951500/image.png?ex=693481e9&is=69333069&hm=227c8a2977d1cc33c0395af144afa6dd318c78346e76cccaf082cfdbcb01c57c&
[19:20:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> What's wrong with it?
[19:21:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> It looks good to me?
[19:22:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to dragos0813> logo size must 135x135 px
[19:22:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] if you mean lack of margins, that's how it is
[19:22:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] you can add them to logo element via css, or add free space to logo itself
[20:13:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813> How can I use imported templates?
[20:15:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to dragos0813> [1/2] wdym
[20:15:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to dragos0813> [2/2] you ask how to use templates in general, or how to import?
[20:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I have imported some templates, but they don t appear
[20:16:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> example?
[20:17:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446596425671643176/image.png?ex=69348f68&is=69333de8&hm=23c525536ad862280627b66f53a8363ff008ad6fae17d2879edd00ad3f495927&
[20:18:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446596591245856828/image.png?ex=69348f8f&is=69333e0f&hm=5d39e4f1de973b611e29f4737a0bb2de682b8b5a23fe7c2ebd2b4ae85289fde1&
[20:22:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> [1/2] stupid question #3 alert THIS AUDIO IS TOO CHUNKY FOR MY INFOBOX!! how do i remedy this odd ailment
[20:22:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446597559517839461/image.png?ex=69349076&is=69333ef6&hm=d8640d63ef72a13fd7e9ff047bbdfcd387c82fc8f99b75d18676dda6b7ad9d49&
[20:22:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <k1av> am i able to edit the audios size or am i thinking too elementary
[20:30:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to dragos0813> [1/2] you should probably type w/o "template:", i.e. just "infobox species"
[20:30:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to dragos0813> [2/2] also templates need to have TemplateData code to work in visual editor + this extension being enabled
[20:33:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> it doesen t appear after typing it
[20:58:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Is it wrong to assume that like 90% of issues with miraheze are just people being confused by info boxes? because that's honestly what it feels like
[21:00:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> well
[21:01:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's usually people who never edited or admined a wiki before who struggle w/ templates in general
[21:01:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> I feel like there's plenty of other issues, even if that infobox confusion is a decent amount of em 90% feels like too much lol
[21:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah
[21:02:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> I mean I've both edited and admined a fandom wiki before and I didn't struggle this much with templates as I did with miraheze
[21:03:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> It took me like 30 minutes to get a hang of it with fandom, I got stuck with it for 3 hours yesterday tho while starting a new wiki
[21:03:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Fandom kinda simplifies templates imo but that may just be me
[21:03:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> idk what to say cus teh "process" is same across any farm  except wikia/fandom offers a default set of templates when new wiki is created
[21:03:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Yeah
[21:03:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i never started a wiki from scratch on fandom too, i wrangled over old templates or created new looking at other wikis
[21:03:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> pretty much taught myself here
[21:04:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> It definitely simplifies it, it has like a native template sandbox that you can use to custom make a template without having to mess with source code
[21:04:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> eeeh
[21:05:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that's the only thing it does, giving you default set
[21:05:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> nothing simplified in there
[21:05:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> unless you mean portable infobox
[21:05:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> I mean for a lot of people a simple default is what you need so you can built off it and customise it
[21:06:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Probably
[21:07:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the most requested infobox types are country, political party or leader and these people want them to be like on wikipedia lol
[21:07:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not your usual fandom.com setup
[21:08:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Idk I'm going from making a wiki for one of my friend's book series to making a wiki for my own series. So I need stuff that's like characters and organisations and I chose Miraheze because it offers a lot more customisation
[21:08:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Customisation is apparently complicated tho
[21:08:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the idea of adding a default set of templates is there, yes, but implementing it is still far
[21:08:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> But nothing i can't figure out
[21:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> due to ManageWiki
[21:09:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also miraheze started like
[21:09:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it was initially aimed at people who know what they want/are doing, which isn't newbie friendly i agree, but it's been a long road to what we have now
[21:10:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> we have dev wiki for templates atm
[21:11:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] as for customization, if you talk about css - that was same on wikia, years ago, before they forced single skin
[21:11:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] this is also why wiki.gg gives you only one skin too, because supporting multiple is hard
[21:12:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> theme designer idea is there as well, it was discussed, but again not easy to implement due to sheer amount of options
[21:13:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> [1/2] From what i can surmise, when like a miraheze admin creates a wiki they basically have like a default wiki that they create for someone. and that default starting wiki already has like a home page and a bunch of admin pages, adding like 1 template wiki with an example wouldn't be too difficult but I get what you're saying. Miraheze isn't really aimed at new people but keepin
[21:13:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> [2/2] g it like experianced users only and not having levels of accessibility will do more harm than good in the long run. Already people don't really know about this wiki service and prefer to use fandom, chasing them away because ya know "it's not how we do things" is gonna be detrimental
[21:15:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] my opinion is - an admin gotta learn things anyway, you gotta learn wiki text and templates if you want your wiki to flourish
[21:15:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] we have guides, we are happy to help to newbies
[21:16:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Like I'm coming at this service with a level of experience but even I'm struggling, if I tried to do this like 2-3 years ago when I didn't have that prior experience even a guide wouldn't have been that helpful
[21:16:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> I don’t know if I agree with “chasing them away”, actually more often than not its the other way around. The issue is packaging a template with wikicreation is practically pointless because there isn’t a one size fits all wikis template. Which is why [[dev:]] exists.
[21:16:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/>
[21:17:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to zppix> Yeah I can understand that, but having to have someone to follow like 3 links just to use something that's pretty integral to a wiki is not great design
[21:18:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to zppix> Frankly in the 9 years I’ve been on Miraheze, I would say we’ve made some pretty decent improvement on having resources for beginners.
[21:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> The resources that are there currently are good enough, but a lot of them are still making an assumption that people have a degree of knowledge on these matters and some aren't as good as others
[21:20:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i wanna add that fandom makes thing too easy w/ its limitations - new users on miraheze often get lost w/ contrast of having so much things to use and large control
[21:20:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to fluffythebeowolf> like what?
[21:21:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> The reason Fandom doesn’t have the big learning curve is because they don’t offer nearly close to what we do for customization and such.
[21:22:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Yeah it's kinda like that difference between idk apple and android, like how apple smooths over it's technology to the point where it's really user friendly but a lot of the functionality suffers, and how android is a lot less user friendly but has a lot of functionality. But there is definitely a sweet spot between those two things
[21:22:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> The analogy i tend to use for learning curve is that Miraheze is a semi steep slope with complexity, while fandom is a nice stroll into a brick wall
[21:23:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] i wouldn't call android unfriendly lol
[21:23:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] raider often uses windows vs linux analogy tho
[21:24:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> I mean considering i use android and my parents use apple and watching them try and even like navigate an android product is almost pitiful i would kinda call it unfriendly to them
[21:24:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] like, again to what i said earlier, i personally try to encourage people to learn, to understand what they're doing
[21:24:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] some people come here and go "i want my wiki to look like pizza tower wiki" and i have to explain that pizza tower wiki is way too fancy and you better start w/ small steps in css basics
[21:25:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> what's a css
[21:25:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> things to make web look nice
[21:25:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> coding 😨
[21:25:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Yeah it's like basically what most websites are coded in
[21:26:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> CSS is not what most websites are coded in
[21:26:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Not even close
[21:26:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> coding is your friend if you wanna admin
[21:26:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Jeez sorry for making a mistake then
[21:27:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i remember when pre fandom rebranding wikis looked unique, sigh
[21:28:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Idk tech literacy is a very deceiving thing
[21:28:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> dont you like have to ask fandom to enable css these days or something
[21:28:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i blame smartphones
[21:28:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> me when the tech natives are nowhere to be seen and everyone is hooked on tiktok like it's crack
[21:29:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> it's so bad even english skills aren't developing as well anymore on young people
[21:29:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I don't know if it's that strict but they definitely push you towards the theme manager
[21:29:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> [1/2] Because when you are tech literate, and you know how things work, like if you know how to code in like C# or can design web pages, it almost seem incomprehensible that most people don't know how to use a computer. Like I don't mean "Yeah they don't know how to code" I mean "they can't turn it on" "they can't create a folder" "they can't put an application on a homescreen" ty
[21:29:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> [2/2] pe shit
[21:30:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I think that depends a lot on when you grew up tbh
[21:30:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> do such people even venture into wiki management?
[21:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Tech literacy only lasted like one generation tbh
[21:30:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> even past having default set of templates you gotta do things
[21:30:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> protip: give your children a desktop computer that you have to use a healthy amount of domestic violence on to keep in working order
[21:31:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> lmao
[21:31:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> When I first started school, we didn't have IT teachers
[21:31:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And we had like one printer for students
[21:31:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Which didn't work half the time
[21:31:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Like when I was in school I got taught python and we had like computer classes. My nephews don't even have a home computer, they don't have IT classes or anything of the sort
[21:32:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I'm going to sound old here but I remember office 365 being launched
[21:32:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i remember clippy
[21:32:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Like I'm gen Z, and I'm the only one in my family who is gen Z, but i am literally the only person who knows how to use a computer
[21:33:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Or has a computer for that matter
[21:33:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <dragos0813, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446615478566125748/image.png?ex=6934a126&is=69334fa6&hm=377cf7fb9347c13d718d82f3953c2b569338af9cf64296bb62d15b5bc71f411f&
[21:33:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> im afraid we went off the topic lol
[21:33:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> My brother has a mac book and thinks that's a computer
[21:33:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It is a computer, it’s not a desktop
[21:34:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Yeah... I still wanna strangle him
[21:34:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fluffythebeowolf> me when I hear someone call a wiki a Wikipedia
[21:34:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> /joking
[21:34:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Laptops are computers
[21:34:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Lol
[21:34:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to rhinosf1> They are
[21:34:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> There are many types of computers
[21:34:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But yeah tech literacy is weird
[21:34:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> So are MacBooks
[21:34:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> But he doesn't use it like that
[21:35:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I have everything from huge towers, mobile workstations, lightweight laptops to single board computers
[21:35:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’m pretty late Gen Z and the youngest in my small immediate family, I wouldn’t call either of my parents tech illiterate, but it is interesting the things I’m asked to help with
[21:35:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to dragos0813> ill be honest i don't use visual editor and don't advice anyone lol
[21:35:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Nah like when I mean i have a computer I mean I literally use a laptop. But my laptop is like 10kg and can run cyberpunk 2077 on full specs
[21:36:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I have a laptop that calls itself a mobile workstation
[21:36:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> That weighs a fair bit
[21:36:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> Mainly in the vain of how do I do X when I have literally never have never touched the software before lol
[21:36:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> I needed a pc that I could take on the train so I could travel with it for university
[21:36:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> 3kg
[21:37:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> chunky
[21:37:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> My laptop is a decent size, with not much in the way of stats to show for it lol
[21:37:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> There's nothing better than the stink eye you get when you can crack out a laptop on the train and start playing high spec video games infront of your friends
[21:38:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> I did that on the way back from a comicon once and they were pissed with me
[21:38:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> aight ima go put stickers on my laptop keys
[21:38:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fluffythebeowolf> Heck yeah
[21:39:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] Reminds me of this
[21:39:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446616973139247226/IMG_9956.jpg?ex=6934a28b&is=6933510b&hm=f1e893dc39a0e74f863ab24c4eea762cc1951c0cd09b53b9a71e912d63379bf6&
[21:39:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> LOL
[21:41:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Unfortunately I had like a stupid little chromebook i used to lectures, but I so badly wanted to bring my full setup into class once
[21:41:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> It would have taken like 10-15 minutes to set up tho
[21:43:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Idk my skill sets kinda confuse people, because I have a bachelors in biology, I work as a creative writer for fantasy series, and I spend my time doing shit like make wikis and mod packs for games
[21:43:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> :DoneMH: a:bcaThumbsUpYes:
[21:43:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fluffythebeowolf> oh god the Chromebook trauma
[21:44:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to fluffythebeowolf> Wow, fascinating combination
[21:44:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Chromebook's are very good at what they were designed for
[21:44:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Anything else, almost useless
[21:44:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Glad some of us think so
[21:44:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Yeah it's now a second screen now that the keyboard went caput
[21:44:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [[wikt:kaput]]
[21:44:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kaput>
[21:44:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> I never had a laptop to take along when I went to school and the likes...
[21:44:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Good for YouTube and... well YouTube
[21:45:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to pskyechology> Close enough
[21:45:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> My high school uses them for students
[21:45:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I mean, they get wen stuff done
[21:45:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> I am dyslexic
[21:45:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Idk my school had no such thing
[21:46:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> My parents got me a chromebook like idk 6? 7? years ago
[21:46:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Which they are great for if you want to deploy a couple of thousand portable thin clients to access Google classroom quickly
[21:46:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> That won't blue screen half way through an update like windows does
[21:46:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> my boomer trait is not wanting to write actual documents in google word
[21:47:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Basically
[21:47:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pskyechology> ..Docs
[21:47:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Don't use docs
[21:47:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to pixldev> it went right over your head
[21:47:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> That's what they were made for though. They are perfect at it.
[21:47:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> They deleted like 3 of my works for not adhering to their guidelines
[21:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> [1/2] my school was getting a computer per classroom for the teachers during the later years of my time there
[21:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_arawynn> [2/2] and at trading school, there was a certain number of computers for the students to use in the class rooms we had our courses at 😂
[21:48:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pskyechology> notepad my beloved
[21:48:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Google docs destroyed my lesbian fanfiction, and with that the world became a darker place
[21:48:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to blankeclair> Notepad is awesome
[21:49:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to fluffythebeowolf> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[21:49:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to fluffythebeowolf> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 💔💔💔💔💔
[21:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i genuinely wanted to tear up a little
[21:49:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> It was a loss to us all
[21:49:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to blankeclair> i knew it was bad in australia but damn
[21:49:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> though that may or may not be related to me crying for nearly two hours when i woke up
[21:49:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> It wasn't even the worst thing I've written either, and they like full on scrubbed it from my account
[21:50:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pskyechology> I still remember what an actual physical notebook is
[21:50:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pskyechology> now i use nano
[21:50:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to rhinosf1> i have one
[21:50:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> [1/2] The Chromebooks with Intel Celeron is actually really good in term of performance and battery life.
[21:50:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> [2/2] It just that these things have very low amount of RAM that turn themselves into ewaste.
[21:50:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to fluffythebeowolf> i love having mismatched skillsets
[21:51:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> hobbyist programmer and computer breaker at day, endocrinologist at night
[21:51:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> it's great
[21:51:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Ohhh endocrinology can be curious
[21:52:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Mm
[21:52:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i'm trans, which means that i know more about my healthcare than my doctors do /hj
[21:52:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> You guys have yet to make a hormone that fully cures my depression tho
[21:52:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Mine sometimes stalls going to a login page
[21:52:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ouch 💔
[21:52:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> depends on what your depression is caused by
[21:52:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> how do i cure capitalism
[21:52:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> for me, my day-to-day depression was caused by biochemical dysphoria
[21:52:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> so when i took hrt, boom depression gone
[21:52:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to pskyechology> :GunGun: take this
[21:53:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> /jk
[21:53:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> don't forget your local etsy witches
[21:53:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to blankeclair> Yeah mine is just good ol lack of happy juice in the brain
[21:53:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> oh
[21:53:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> What has caused that lack tho is a mystery to both you and me
[21:54:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> And also my psychologist
[21:54:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> we probably will never know, and doctors will deem it female hysteria or something stupid like that lol
[21:54:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to fluffythebeowolf> consider seeing a psychiatrist as well
[21:55:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Oh no like 100% last time I went to a gp my doctor fully tried to tell me my depression was caused by periods and literally nothing else
[21:55:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> a:bcaThumbsUpYes:
[21:55:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> how did i fucking call it
[21:55:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i was kinda joking!!
[21:55:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> classic doctor moment
[21:55:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Hint, kinda
[21:55:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> true
[21:56:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> also, seeing what we know about testosterone and estrogen can be very... let's say annoying
[21:56:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to pskyechology> 10/10 doctor moment
[21:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [1/3] > The impact of androgens on erythropoiesis are well documented if not completely understood
[21:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [2/3] > Androgens are known to stimulate erythropoiesis while the impact of estrogens are not as well understood
[21:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [3/3] i wonder why
[21:57:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> I mean when I was choosing like what I wanted to specialise in, I read "too much and too little estrogen can make you depressed" and instantly noped tf out
[21:57:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> I then ended up doing paleontology because...
[21:57:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446621536449462272/1764971846247.png?ex=6934a6cb&is=6933554b&hm=2e30997efd958574fed1b1bab352c891abeca8888e94c7d8e2c7676f7d69c465&
[21:57:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446621536948846674/1764971846247.png?ex=6934a6cb&is=6933554b&hm=d38cfecdfd4613ea9e46568fd6ce65fa46f19dd6b510c4a3c4dcfbb42b90e7f3&
[21:57:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Well I feel like i don't need to say why
[21:57:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to fluffythebeowolf> hormones can be funny like that
[21:57:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> best part is that my mood fluctuates even though i don't really have a cycle
[21:59:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> Yeah, idk it's probably something to do with like absorption rates too, because i know that can change due to like... the time of day, what year it is, how many apples you ate last month...
[21:59:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> there's one trans woman where pills just Stopped Working for no reason, so she had to switch to injections
[22:00:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to blankeclair> they're much better anyway
[22:00:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> who likes using the liver
[22:00:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> and getting a bazillion side effects
[22:00:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i want to get estrogen implants >:)
[22:00:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> hopefully my doctor will agree to shove hrt up my ass 🙏
[22:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pskyechology> isn't there like one
[22:01:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf> I do find it funny that like people think hormone fluctuations is what makes women "unstable" but literally after menopause hormonally speaking there isn't too many differences between biomen and biowomen and what they're calling "unstable emotional outbursts" is literally something they also do. It's just another way sexism is done
[22:01:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> mine is a cumulative risk of meningioma
[22:01:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to blankeclair> the piss your pants side effect of also having to take antiandrogens
[22:01:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> #offtopic please
[22:01:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> true
[22:01:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pskyechology> that's specifically for spirono- oh sorry
[22:01:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to rhinosf1> Sorry
[22:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to fluffythebeowolf> No need to apologise, we're amazing at forgetting we're going off on a tangent
[22:02:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to rhinosf1> as a certain person can attest /hj
[22:02:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <fluffythebeowolf, replying to rhinosf1> Ah yes, the wiki special of "Yeah this kinda doesn't relate but sure I'll tell you about wolf populations in nazi germany"
[22:14:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> is there any colors you think look bad on a wiki/s theme?
[22:15:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> idk wikis aren't excluded from safe web design lol
[22:15:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> all depends on how you put colors together
[22:17:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that's said, red for normal links color is BAD idea
[22:18:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> The StP wiki does that and it's so confusing 😭
[22:19:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I think bright, eye blinding colors look awful, see Reception Wikis
[22:20:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> they can be good, whoever css'd rw's just didn't have color theory knowledge lol
[22:21:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Unless they're causing accessibility issues (common) idm bright colors in web design tbh
[22:21:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah
[22:21:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i love eyesore in images but admit eyesore in text puts some strains on me poor eyes
[22:22:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> A small amount may work as like a highlight but not the hudge mounts I think of
[22:23:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i mean, acceptable for personal purposely obnoxious looking static web site lol
[22:23:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Also, some main pages (looking at RWs... re awful)
[22:24:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> we don't talk about rws lol
[22:24:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> kinda
[22:26:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Even USEP wiki I thought "Maybe do not display over  ayear of news on your main page, it looks awful"
[22:27:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446629136260137123/Screenshot_from_2025-12-05_22-27-31.png?ex=6934addf&is=69335c5f&hm=13d61d97b61b8709cfe5a3e88107ee9f4d334ccec10ade6da318303108272a8e&
[22:45:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> I tend to stay away from pure white and pure black due to extremely high contrast (which can also cause accessibility issues just as low contrast can)
[22:53:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qwerturt> [1/4] I'm currently making a custom infobox and there's an element that I wanted to hide when no information is supplied.
[22:53:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qwerturt> [2/4] I'm using the "{{#if}}" parser function to return nothing when the parameter is empty, but it doesn't remove the element entirely and instead replaced it with <p> <br> <p>
[22:53:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qwerturt> [3/4] Is this intended?
[22:53:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qwerturt> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446635712643465351/image.png?ex=6934b3ff&is=6933627f&hm=719070615faa1a1e07d0ee231ceaf3ac934b6c72b5c2abd9eeb929a714299290&
[22:55:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hmm, hard to tell why this could happen w/o seeing template code but i suspect a line break somewhere in the code occurring
[22:55:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also you really aim to use classic infoboxes?
[22:56:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> to post links you gotta #verify
[22:56:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> If they use flex I'd assume they know enough CSS but not enough wikitext quirks.
[22:57:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qwerturt> I read about the 3 types of infoboxes but I don't really know which type this is, I use a mix of css and html
[22:58:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> tables are more more convenient for infobox coding than divs tbh
[22:58:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but again, parser functions ...
[22:59:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to qwerturt> [1/3] There's was an old thread about the empty spaces produced by `{{#if`. I can't find it now, but here are some short examples on similar phenomena.
[22:59:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to qwerturt> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446637144842965093/image.png?ex=6934b554&is=693363d4&hm=102023dd0afa972ec0965b96e67bc29db3cf7ac24848694a997540377204351b&
[22:59:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to qwerturt> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446637145287819398/image.png?ex=6934b554&is=693363d4&hm=c2f0098f029016fc2ea3b473b1c7296a28baae849824f4d8e1197e832ca96674&
[22:59:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qwerturt> I tried putting all the codes into a single line like you suggested but the results are still the same
[23:01:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] we probably have better chance to find and fix if you'll drop link to template
[23:01:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] but it's 2am for me, other folks shall see
[23:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [1/27] How do I call a lua function with parameters? 
[23:01:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [2/27] ```
[23:01:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [3/27] {{#invoke:Products|singleProduct|{{{1}}}|name}}
[23:01:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [4/27] {{#invoke:Products|singleProduct|{{{1}}}|landtype}}
[23:01:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [5/27] {{#invoke:Products|singleProduct|{{{1}}}|storageCapacity}}
[23:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [6/27] {{#invoke:Products|singleProduct|{{{1}}}|installationPrice}}
[23:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [7/27] ```
[23:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [8/27] this is in the template
[23:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [9/27] ```
[23:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [10/27] {{Template:Product|apple}}
[23:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [11/27] ```
[23:01:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [12/27] this is on the page that uses the template ```lua
[23:01:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [13/27] function p.singleProduct(args)
[23:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [14/27]     local key = args[1]
[23:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [15/27]     local val = args[2]
[23:01:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [16/27]     local result = {}
[23:01:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [17/27]     for _, product in ipairs(data) do
[23:01:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [18/27]         table.insert(result, "curr prod"..product['key'])
[23:01:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [19/27]         if (product['key'] == key) then
[23:01:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [20/27]             table.insert(result, "found product"..key)
[23:01:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [21/27]             return table.concat(result, '\n')
[23:01:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [22/27]         end
[23:01:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [23/27]     end
[23:01:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [24/27]     return key
[23:01:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [25/27] end
[23:01:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [26/27] ```
[23:01:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> [27/27] this is the function I am trying to call
[23:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> I also tried to have key and val directly in the function signature, but that didn't work either
[23:04:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to akronymus> [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446638388781256784/image.png?ex=6934b67d&is=693364fd&hm=5dd4f95c482695addf9daf72595a563922544ae6ee8f3aaeb3a0d06e5d1a102b&
[23:04:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to akronymus> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446638390232612864/image.png?ex=6934b67d&is=693364fd&hm=6a8f7009f23e5d3b639fbb8cc5bac6a09754ffb139d4843b268938d9b9e310dc&
[23:04:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> Ah, I have to use named args?
[23:05:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> TY
[23:05:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> No. `p.singleProduct(frame)`, and then use `frame.args`
[23:06:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus, replying to posix_memalign> frame.args[1] and frame.args[1], right?
[23:06:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> Yep, that worked
[23:07:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to akronymus> Yeah https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual#frame.args
[23:08:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> Sorry for so many stupid questions
[23:11:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I blame it on the lack of good Lua references. The Scribunto manual is a good reference but not a good guide.
[23:13:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <akronymus> The lua itself isn't my main problem, but calling the lua from mediawiki interface is what keeps tripping me up
[23:25:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <qwerturt, replying to posix_memalign> Thanks this is exactly what I needed, I found a work around now. All I had to do was placing the first #if on the same line as the container's <div> and the rest on the same line where the closing brackets of the last function is placed
[23:53:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mp5a5> if i disable a site theme on my wiki does it change for everybody else
[23:54:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mp5a5> i want to disable the timeless theme on my wiki because it's ugly and i don't like handling it but it was the default before i switched to citizen as the main theme
[23:56:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mp5a5> [1/2] if you mean changing default skin in additional settings -> style, then yeah it will be default skin for everyone
[23:56:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to mp5a5> [2/2] an individual user however is free to change skin personally, just for themselves, in preferences
[23:57:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mp5a5> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1446651720867254475/f0a0abb2dc7e96ce16fa45cfb5474fb4.png?ex=6934c2e7&is=69337167&hm=66a628a5c68e09bd02603ee5e64be428c314df57be8cddebccd395398c513637&
[23:57:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mp5a5> i mean if i get rid of the rest of the skins from here
[23:58:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mp5a5> i switched citizen to default but i'm thinking i'm just going to remove the rest of these