[00:19:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to awucard> this seems like a case for that content to be removed from the destination if it does not comply with the original license, but I'm not sure the case is made to proceed to unilateral removal. It would depend on the exact places and circumstance though, worth presenting at least be it on wiki or in confidence via email if you prefer
[00:31:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awucard, replying to raidarr> Asked over the wiki, it can eventually be moved to email if necessary though, yeah?
[00:36:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <apro_gamer> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1443400055833890837/image.png?ex=6928ee8e&is=69279d0e&hm=907ba10ad95061960b4c108c295e6b75261da30c4641ca6f0317335b8a07d8db&
[00:36:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <apro_gamer> 😔
[00:36:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <firecandle7> y'know i was about to post something like that
[00:36:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <firecandle7> we all died 💔
[00:37:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> It is known
[00:37:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <apro_gamer> 1 second without miraheze is hell
[00:38:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> every single time i go to do ANY work it goes down i stg its out for me
[00:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> It's up the vast majority of the time, to be fair.
[00:38:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <apro_gamer> we need a hero
[00:38:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <apro_gamer> to save us
[00:38:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> No
[00:38:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <firecandle7> man im just trying to learn miraheze wiki stuff since im kind of new 💔
[00:38:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Well, we can practice on being Patient again 😄
[00:38:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> We need proper uptime tracking
[00:39:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to firecandle7> (First of all, welcome)
[00:39:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> I thought that was what Grafana was?
[00:39:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <firecandle7, replying to pixldev> hai there
[00:39:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> pix does miraheze have a public uptime %
[00:39:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to sakurababochka> Grafana tracks the nerdy metrics for this stuff
[00:39:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to kai84> Yes
[00:39:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But it’s
[00:39:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Uh
[00:39:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> also down 😛
[00:39:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://wikitidestatus.net/history
[00:40:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <apro_gamer> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156734890537140256/1443115604054904967/cat-gato.gif
[00:40:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> You can see the problem
[00:40:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> I would say we have an uptime of about 97%
[00:40:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> So earlier someone said we’d never get SPARQL. Would you be willing to try to add it if I joined and tried to work on it.
[00:40:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to kamidere> Who was the person involved in looking into SPARQL, do you knows
[00:41:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> And why did they say that
[00:41:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to zppix> There’s a task I think
[00:41:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> [1/2] Something went wrong
[00:41:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> [2/2] If this keeps happening, let us know.
[00:41:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to pixldev> I do not know who that was this was a while ago
[00:41:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I think it was Rhinos
[00:42:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> [1/2] ive never seen this one before
[00:42:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1443401599220449452/image.png?ex=6928effe&is=69279e7e&hm=e8236fd389d0894b41d4033dea02b1ae597d5777d315478c88944c1603afa156&
[00:42:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1407112545566855209
[00:43:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Wow, dusty much https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T13728
[00:44:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Sorry Addshore….
[00:44:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @rhinosf1 someone should probably poke this sometime huh
[00:44:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> dead again
[00:44:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Maybe over the holiday freeze
[00:45:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zuchuly> Im literally having a gateway error right now
[00:45:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to zuchuly> Known issue
[00:45:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> so are all of us
[00:45:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to bartomelow> https://tenor.com/view/rabbids-lost-as-a-rabbid-gif-10119628982440016968
[00:46:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> there should be a bot that automatically tells users when miraheze is down
[00:46:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> its up
[00:46:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> we r alive
[00:46:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’ve proposed adding a sticky Bot here before
[00:48:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clean_18784, replying to kai84> Cooked??
[00:48:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to zppix> That would be more than 20 hours of downtime per month. I'd say we're doing better than that. 99% maybe?
[00:48:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej> Main issue with Blazegraph is that it’s a significant memory commitment. Even a small database can require a few gigabytes of RAM, which adds up very quickly. However, QLever now supports streaming updates AND has a smaller memory footprint. Maybe it should be considered.
[00:48:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to posix_memalign> 98.9? Im not confident enough to say 99
[00:49:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej> My VM that I dedicate to the Wikidata Query Service has 320 GB of RAM
[00:49:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej> Most Wikibases aren’t that big
[00:49:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> We should be back
[00:49:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to zppix> I think we used to do a lot better. It seems that the hardware is no longer overpowered enough to cover for software issues.
[00:50:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to posix_memalign> Honestly I think its a growth issue, we’ve outgrown our hw
[00:51:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> This was not caused by traffic
[00:51:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> I'm pretty sure none of our recent outages would've been solved with better hw
[00:51:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> If db171 has a load of 600 something else is wrong
[00:51:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to abaddriverlol> yes
[00:52:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to abaddriverlol> This is only like the second outage we've had since we've solved the db issues we've had previously
[00:52:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> A couple of weeks ago we've had a db freeze every day
[00:52:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I propose we solve the problem by removing the database
[00:54:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [1/2] (for reference this is the load on db171 if we exclude the outage a few days ago)
[00:54:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1443404485132161085/image.png?ex=6928f2ae&is=6927a12e&hm=0a573c65043a4a55dbdb51f2b4c0c98a3b4b1a429b2d0421bc088be9a43f4f5a&
[00:54:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahappyoreo> Wait, what's the load on db161? 👀
[00:56:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [1/2] hard to tell because of the four spikes
[00:56:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1443404970132111453/image.png?ex=6928f322&is=6927a1a2&hm=8d31cde7aa829a36c6c96229468a220acaac6461e864c8e55cabec1bf71959da&
[00:56:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> <https://grafana.wikitide.net/d/W9MIkA7iz/wikitide-cluster?orgId=1&from=now-30d&to=now&timezone=browser&var-job=node&var-node=db161.fsslc.wtnet&var-port=9100>
[01:00:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahappyoreo> Oh thanks
[01:11:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitideharej, replying to pixldev> The Yu Gi Oh Wiki approach
[01:14:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to wikitideharej> Wait…
[01:22:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> No SQL no problems. 🙃
[02:12:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahappyoreo> Sounds like something I'd do on a weekend, but can't this weekend
[02:12:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to notaracham> Can't break things that don't exist.
[03:59:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> how to make carousel in miraheze? is there any example?
[04:00:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade> or do i have use css
[05:30:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to jineverfade> Try enabling [[mw:Extension:JavascriptSlideshow]] on ManageWiki
[05:30:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:JavascriptSlideshow>
[05:31:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> [1/2] Vanilla CSS (no JS) also works if you want more customization. Here's one that I made for Vocaloid Lyrics Wiki.
[05:31:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1443474400816005211/Screenshot_2025_1127_123104.png?ex=692933cb&is=6927e24b&hm=6ad81d96428626d40ea86ffbe69a9a5daeb1e0acdef0cb797bc42caca1cd7a97&
[05:44:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reyvarie> does anyone use DRUID infoboxes here?
[05:45:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reyvarie> they recommend (but do not require) [Extension:OpenGraphMeta](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OpenGraphMeta) and [Extension:ParserPower](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserPower). what are the consequences on the infobox if you don't install those
[05:46:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reyvarie> oh wait parserpower is on MH
[05:46:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reyvarie> but yeah, question applies to opengraphmeta which is on miraheze too but... seems to be something to do with facebook like buttons?
[05:47:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reyvarie> I'd rather not install it if it doesn't provide a significant improvement
[05:50:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to reyvarie> Not familiar with DRUID infoboxes, but OGM seems to be doing things that [[mw:Extension:WikiSEO]] can do
[05:50:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiSEO>
[05:51:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jineverfade, replying to ccxtwf> awesome thanks
[05:51:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reyvarie> hmm ok
[06:03:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <never_was_taken> help why is the background not loading
[06:03:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <never_was_taken> https://excaeliscientia.miraheze.org/wiki/Sandbox