[02:57:01] [1/3] is there any way to get this find/replace and ctrl f shortcut from Fandom on my own wiki? [02:57:01] [2/3] i think i've seen some other wikis do it but im not sure how? is it a skin specific thing? [02:57:02] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428215126531772486/image.png?ex=68f1b07d&is=68f05efd&hm=7dfb9546391400bab1d2d0106a049de4a5be9e861bae5c8e15e3c506e044424a& [03:14:19] What's a "shortcut from Fandom"? [03:16:30] when you press CTRL + F on a Fandom wiki, it brings up the find and replace tool. [03:17:09] i want the same shortcut on my own wiki, i just used fandom as an example. [03:20:11] Click Advanced then click the magnifying glass on the right [03:23:14] i’m aware of that, i’m asking about the shortcut specifically. [03:24:01] and i guess clarification between the tool on fandom and the default one on miraheze [05:18:22] @m6ga btw in the module case data not necessarily to be in lua. but they must be organized in a same place [05:21:08] [1/2] my wiki is using [json in template namespace](https://xyy.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Episode/Explore_Wolffy’s_Mind.json) and i developed a tool to make autoconfirmed users edit the json easily (also move the corresponding page if necessary) [05:21:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428251396116840508/Screenshot_2025-10-16-13-20-30-688_mark.via-edit.jpg?ex=68f1d244&is=68f080c4&hm=98dbf45aea90a78306eced3108dff2c7eb9930640c0bddd6dd08c9614acbe9fb& [05:23:06] [1/2] i agree editing data in a separate formatted page is very annoying. you always need to find where it is [05:23:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428251887190282241/Screenshot_2025-10-16-13-22-00-843_mark.via-edit.jpg?ex=68f1d2b9&is=68f08139&hm=f539b8240ca2b4ef229e3c529c191a1a95fe426d67be65ac2cdc6f98f5031d62& [05:27:57] and good thing is the data can easily be used in different templates flexibly with lua [05:28:37] i only use dpl4 with data that don't need to be used in complex ways [05:29:53] i've used smw in other wikis and found nothing good about it. i've never tried cargo it's restricted [05:31:11] is there public test wiki with cargo on? i'm kinda curious about it [07:35:02] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428285089992806453/image.png?ex=68f1f1a5&is=68f0a025&hm=bcd808b9ac525f8061d53ab2253afc989dc8d26fc1beea8a3a4eb3e609272060& [07:43:34] yeah, i think they want a keyboard shortcut though [07:51:42] thatd be a really neat feature to have [08:04:38] add one with js [08:10:16] you going w/ `style="..."` or classes and CSS? iirc in second case you might need `!important` to override wikitable styling [08:12:00] Style not css [08:15:39] can you link? [08:28:52] @theoneandonlylegroom [08:29:15] Putting the background color in the headers doesn't work [08:29:55] It is strange, it appears to be a universal limitation [08:43:17] [1/2] Wait for HalloweenYuli's Scratchpad Miraheze is here. [08:43:17] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/67700#mw-section-details [09:02:12] sorry i got busy, can't check rn, someone else might help in the meantime + you may make a thread in #support [10:20:47] <90gq29> [1/2] are semantic mediawiki roles supposed to not have a page? [10:20:47] <90gq29> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428326802379771905/WV1TEbz.png?ex=68f2187e&is=68f0c6fe&hm=e57384c191f977658be619b6160de75658a6b3ffa709748fed0580ca8bf13767& [10:21:39] <90gq29> kinda pmo me seeing it red [10:30:11] what page is this [10:30:16] it might be possible to change the link [10:31:32] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> its in Special:Statistics [10:32:24] [1/2] For me it doesn't display a link at all [10:32:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428329726199726130/image.png?ex=68f21b37&is=68f0c9b7&hm=bddd1bc44f44afa2cf578c20288209e20682c1728e1e76df517e11a93c46627b& [10:32:24] <90gq29> the other roles link to a guide page on meta.miraheze, but since those roles are added by semantic mediawiki there doesnt seem to be a meta page for them [10:32:35] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> probably the redlink extension [10:32:40] <90gq29> if you arent logged in [10:32:41] ah [10:33:34] <90gq29> should be the case for every wiki running semantic mediawiki, so fixing it on the wiki locally prolly isnt the best solution [10:36:31] <90gq29> no idea if it would be a pain to fix though, probably not worth it if it is [10:37:05] I think the easiest solution is to just edit and [10:37:55] Or it could be added to as a global override, since there are also other extension-specific groups in there like flow-bot and csmoderator [10:40:17] This is HalloweenYuli's Scratchpad Miraheze is not here! Almost there. [10:41:24] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> is anyone able to edit this? [10:42:10] <90gq29> [1/2] im hovering the edit button and i lowk have no idea what this means [10:42:10] <90gq29> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428332185105993738/a3vl3pH.png?ex=68f21d82&is=68f0cc02&hm=0b8f978b99b3ee4f062de7e871919ac7de3528a64667897b044089285947d78b& [10:42:25] <90gq29> i assume they have it locked down to a degree [10:42:29] Try [10:42:39] <90gq29> that seems to work [10:42:46] You can't edit it directly, but Github will automatically create a fork and you can open a PR [10:43:27] Note that the message keys also need to be added to [10:45:03] <90gq29> ill give it a try [10:56:48] This is an HalloweenYuli's Scratchpad Miraheze is currently busy! Almost there when this miraheze is here [11:11:52] <90gq29> [1/2] @abaddriverlol yo quick question where do i add int: information? userpage guide is configured to fetch permissions descriptions and such from somewhere [11:11:52] <90gq29> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428339659586408510/sXHSSSj.png?ex=68f22478&is=68f0d2f8&hm=6ba9e939cdafe95ebb3f23bacf6302da5011c431348782173156e11391ee9e46& [11:12:22] <90gq29> havent seen this before [11:12:38] wdym by "int: information" [11:12:48] `int:` transcludes a system message from the MediaWiki: namespace [11:13:58] <90gq29> oh i see [11:14:38] <90gq29> ill just write it in plaintext since i dont have perms to create pages in that namespace then [11:15:09] The message should exist automatically [11:15:15] It just doesn't because SMW is not installed on meta [11:16:55] <90gq29> i see [11:17:20] lets install smw on metawiki :3 [11:17:59] surely this can't be worse than deploying default extension changes :3 [11:32:05] <90gq29> @abaddriverlol up to check if i messed up or nah? [11:32:46] <90gq29> added them here , though in plain text [11:33:14] <90gq29> [1/3] along with these 2 [11:33:15] <90gq29> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428345037715935272/QPlTZfz.png?ex=68f2297a&is=68f0d7fa&hm=4b80a50dddadbc2652937b4bc0aadcefad00babb390347493f1f548cc45a2872& [11:33:15] <90gq29> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428345038043086938/F3h3fls.png?ex=68f2297a&is=68f0d7fa&hm=74cfd0dc54c4c6cf46a5b0503c1756d2cf968767c37836326cc5a80bf70321b7& [11:34:27] [1/2] Why does it use a system message from Massmessage [11:34:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428345340620443749/image.png?ex=68f229c2&is=68f0d842&hm=6360d7f2e2dd3643f8519b2fc6157f5bbf21bf5ebdfed67c9963f92e2a0a78a5& [11:34:42] if you create a pull request I can review it [11:34:58] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> [1/2] [11:34:58] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> [2/2] [11:35:05] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> i just copied the table 1:1 from the one above [11:35:18] <90gq29> no idea what massmessage is, should i delete it? [11:36:04] actually nvm [11:36:12] looks like that message is just being abused to translate "Description:" [11:36:19] <90gq29> ah [11:37:11] can you try merging those two branches in your repository into one [11:37:34] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> uuh how would i do that [11:37:43] <90gq29> never really used github before [11:37:57] go to , click "Create pull request" and merge it [11:38:52] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> ok done [11:38:53] <90gq29> i think [11:39:26] now go to and create a pull request [11:39:55] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> do i need to call it something specific [11:40:19] <90gq29> or is there a naming convention [11:40:44] maybe "Add SMW group page message overrides" or something like that [11:41:12] <90gq29> created [11:41:14] <90gq29> https://github.com/miraheze/MirahezeMagic/pull/608 [11:44:35] [11:58:00] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> alright i think i did all the changes here [11:58:37] <90gq29> did you want me to rename it to smweditor in the main.php file as well? [12:00:56] yes [12:03:56] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> aight done [12:03:58] <90gq29> anything else? [12:14:52] don't think so, I'll test this on beta real quick to make sure production won't blow up [12:15:18] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> very well, lmk if there are any issues [12:15:21] <90gq29> ill fix them if so [12:25:34] almost forgot to trigger CI lol [12:27:46] <90gq29> 🧐 [12:33:02] No. [12:37:31] we should flick on EVERY extension we can [12:37:43] ultimate features [12:37:46] trust frfr [12:38:17] https://tenor.com/view/blitz-r6-rainbow-six-siege-sieging-flash-prowler-gif-4216076083002151093 [12:38:30] https://tenor.com/view/azumanga-osaka-gif-13003237588438142932 [12:43:26] [[Special:Block]] [12:43:26] [12:44:08] Its only abuse if someone complains 😉 /j [12:45:15] literally 1984!!! [12:45:46] [[w:en:WP:IAR]] [12:45:47] [12:49:32] deployed @90gq29 [12:49:58] the section it links to is slightly different than the one you created because it uses the group name provided by SMW, so you might want to change the name on the meta page [12:51:01] will other extension-created groups be added to the page? [12:52:55] e.g. csmoderator by commentstream and upwizcampeditors by uploadwizard [12:53:49] csmoderator has an override too so it probably should be added since the link is pointing to a nonexistent section right now [12:54:50] I personally don't see an issue with adding more to the page, but I'm also not a meta admin so I don't really have a say in this [12:55:20] <90gq29, replying to abaddriverlol> changed [12:55:28] <90gq29> it seems to work [12:55:30] <90gq29> thanks for the help [12:55:45] i'm also just randomly asking. tbh i removed csmoderator and overwrite the links to meta locally [14:51:50] [1/2] I got harassed once again by Nekolioune2008 on the wiki. [14:51:50] [2/2] I'm make an sure paper retreat miraheze wiki just like copy Wiki of paper shin wiki [14:53:22] [1/2] I don't know why i'm make an here is paper retreat miraheze wiki. Just like Paper Shin Wiki. I hate this paper shin wiki as i had reported HolidayBugoy31's action as you are kirkburn fan. [14:53:22] [2/2] Here is Paper Retreat Wiki both like miraheze and fandom (Paper Retreat Wiki Fandom) [15:00:45] gotta give copyright acknowledgment tho 🫣 [15:07:43] [1/2] I don't see what i made an paper retreat miraheze wiki like pop'n retreat wiki. [15:07:44] [2/2] UPDATE: pop'n retreat wiki is now closed again. [15:17:49] Ask me if you know [15:23:28] where do i commit managewiki i18n suggestion? translatewiki.net? [15:24:15] i have to perform a local fix ([[mh:xyy:MediaWiki:Managewiki-review-toggled/zh-cn]]) bc the default translation gets the meaning totally reversed [15:24:16] [15:25:09] yes [15:27:43] [1/14] the english text is [15:27:43] [2/14] ``` [15:27:43] [3/14] Review Changes [15:27:43] [4/14] wgXxxxx (setting) was disabled/enabled [15:27:44] [5/14] ``` [15:27:44] [6/14] the current chinese i18n literally means [15:27:44] [7/14] ``` [15:27:45] [8/14] wgXxxxx (setting) was originally disabled/enabled (before you changed it, so it's now enabled/disabled) [15:27:45] [9/14] ``` [15:27:45] [10/14] what makes sense should be [15:27:46] [11/14] ``` [15:27:46] [12/14] wgXxxxx (setting) was changed to disabled/enabled (in your edit this time) [15:27:46] [13/14] ``` [15:27:47] [14/14] which is also my local fix [15:30:09] oh darn my translatewiki account was registered in 2014 and with a username i no more use now [15:32:42] and they don't have Special:GlobalRenameRequest [15:34:37] you can probably just ask at since it's only a single wiki, not an entire wiki farm [15:35:10] i'll try [15:35:15] i've edited https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Managewiki-review-toggled/zh-hans anyway [15:35:34] it would automatically sync to managewiki repo right? [15:36:04] yeah [15:36:17] it might take some time since the translations were updated 3 hours ago [15:37:54] i thought the previous translator only noticed the past tense was in english and assumed it's a message about the original status [15:43:57] [1/2] great. i found past examples [15:43:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428408128239698162/image.png?ex=68f2643c&is=68f112bc&hm=c2da7cb939a8a24b5c773d599480c78eaa70b5f4f8f9366ffcb389e67ec68971& [15:44:08] nice [15:45:42] Question regarding Licensing. [15:46:05] How am I supposed to like make the Licensing Options? [15:46:23] -# this is how it is currently, idk if this is good or needs change: https://duckov.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Licenses [15:48:12] Just copy that page to your wiki? [15:48:47] wdym by that [15:49:41] that page is on my wiki [15:49:46] lul [15:49:50] oh [15:49:52] Just wanted confirmation if this fits. [15:49:57] or if it needs change. [15:50:12] I saw that wiki use 4.0 and not 3.0 [15:50:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428409741469683802/image.png?ex=68f265bc&is=68f1143c&hm=58c77684900eca253f2e1a9c37d33029350d6fe25b4ecfb498888932c5044b18& [15:50:54] Wut? [15:51:00] I don't understand. [15:51:02] most wikis have separate file licensing from text licensing [15:51:37] when the file licensing template specifies another licensing, it's what otherwise noted in this sentence means [15:52:17] well, I mean that wiki was initially 4.0 and MediaWiki:Licenses should include a 4.0 version [15:52:56] So I should add a 4.0 version [15:52:58] Correct? [15:53:00] yea [15:53:20] [1/2] ah isn't it blank originally? [15:53:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428410490668843088/image.png?ex=68f2666f&is=68f114ef&hm=dca923bd4d76c04a770e3775cdfa2cbde8748c19f368a6ea9a546b239275e75e& [15:53:42] yea, that page was probably copied from wiki.gg [15:54:06] they're not related tbh [15:54:27] yea [15:54:32] [1/2] my wiki has both [15:54:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428410795536154745/image.png?ex=68f266b8&is=68f11538&hm=ed86ba41e3b21aa969e245f234196ddd8955977779def5e9017b30db12f82be1& [15:54:42] uploaders can specify either [15:54:45] If you already deployed MediaWiki:Licenses then you should also have a template for each license so it can display on file description [15:54:46] since I used wiki.gg before and that is just the licensing options that came to mind first. [15:54:58] And that brings me to my 2nd question [15:55:05] how [15:57:53] [1/8] replace the content of https://duckov.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:License with [15:57:53] [2/8] ``` [15:57:54] [3/8] {{#switch: [15:57:54] [4/8] |game=xxxx [15:57:54] [5/8] |permission=xxxx [15:57:55] [6/8] …… [15:57:55] [7/8] }} [15:57:55] [8/8] ``` [15:58:24] ...... standing for the other licenses [15:58:26] ? [15:58:27] yes [15:58:31] alright [15:58:36] as you specified in MediaWiki:Licenses [15:59:07] and xxxx will be the different license text? [15:59:09] edited a bit it's wrong previously [15:59:19] yes [15:59:49] alright, ima try. [16:02:48] [1/17] as in: [16:02:49] [2/17] ```{{#switch:{{{1|}}} [16:02:49] [3/17] |game=This contains content from the game or its official media [16:02:49] [4/17] |permission=DucklingTony (Game Official) gave permission to use game art in miraheze articles. [16:02:49] [5/17] |CC0=This file is licensed under the CC0 1.0 License [16:02:50] [6/17] |CC-BY-NC-ND=This is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 License [16:02:50] [7/17] |CC-BY-NC-SA=This is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 License [16:02:50] [8/17] |CC-BY-NC=This is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 License [16:02:51] [9/17] |CC-BY-ND=This is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivs 3.0 License [16:02:51] [10/17] |CC-BY-SA=This is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License [16:02:51] [11/17] |CC-BY=This is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License [16:02:52] [12/17] |CC-PD=This is in the public domain [16:02:52] [13/17] |CC-SRR=This is licensed under the Creative Commons Some Rights Reserved License [16:02:53] [14/17] |fairuse=This will be used in a way that qualifies as "fair use" under US law [16:02:53] [15/17] |nolicense=I don't know the license [16:02:54] [16/17] }}``` [16:02:55] [17/17] ? [16:02:59] you can submit and see special:upload [16:03:42] Alright [16:03:44] Thanks so much for the help! [16:03:50] -# the both of you [16:07:59] @leftovertv CC-SRR is no longer used. See https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/cclicenses/ for the licenses available. [16:08:48] Alright, will remove. [16:09:05] It was used to indicate that there was a Creative Commons license, and you needed to find the Terms of Use page to see what restrictions there were. [16:09:36] Is removed. [16:09:47] I don't know a lot about the different CC Licenses. [16:09:56] I just know they exist. [16:10:18] No worries. I have worked a lot with copyright [16:10:26] -# I mean I know like CC-0 and CC-PD [16:10:35] pd is not a cc license [16:10:49] mb [16:11:09] PD stands for Public domain [16:11:23] Check the https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/cclicenses/ [16:11:34] cc0 in most cases equals pd [16:11:46] that's correct yes [16:11:55] so it's without copyright [16:11:58] right? [16:11:59] yes [16:12:18] and CC0 is just the equivalent to it [16:12:19] But PD has several sublicenses [16:12:43] I think I also know CC BY or something like that [16:12:44] e.g "PD-ineligible" [16:12:57] being? [16:13:14] That means that an image is too simple, to claim copyright over [16:13:25] for example a square, or circle [16:13:47] Simple geometric shapes [16:13:48] i think mediawiki:licenses in most cases needs different versions of a same license instead of many rare licenses [16:14:30] So which are the most commonly used ones [16:14:41] CC0 I can imagine is pretty common [16:14:42] By law, you need to state why it is in Public domain [16:15:08] Or why not [16:15:14] [1/2] my wiki has some common choices [16:15:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428416003586396332/image.png?ex=68f26b91&is=68f11a11&hm=fd38654fe201e60a20f625834d08f12ed1df37c5de4b5fb202a9fdb05c72f705& [16:15:33] Why the last one? [16:15:46] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428416138915872768/image.png?ex=68f26bb2&is=68f11a32&hm=8258a94158d21fe91dac85475edccc393e37013810fe393657af679940892fd5& [16:15:56] bc my wiki sometimes includes such files [16:16:05] I see. [16:16:25] https://commons.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Licenses [16:16:55] Well for now I'm done with licenses, should I still add 4.0 licenses though? [16:17:24] Yes [16:17:35] That's the latest version of the CC [16:17:50] here's an example: https://xyy.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Canceled_2009_season_file.png [16:18:32] the number provides the era of when the image was licensed. [16:18:40] Will do tomorrow as I just went off pc [16:19:03] So I will have CC 3.0 and 4.0? [16:19:15] Yes [16:19:24] Some older images will fall under 3.0 [16:20:14] It's not a huge deal though, as the conditions are the same [16:20:19] and add anything you may need according to your wiki's actual situation (like mine with a pd cn gov [16:21:45] Will do. [16:31:19] [1/2] One final thing.. [16:31:19] [2/2] No license provided (Officially means '''All Rights Reserved'''; People often think it is unlicensed) [16:31:55] The rule of thumb is - Where no license is provided, asume it to be copyrighted. [16:36:36] the default None selected already means No license provided so you don't really need one [16:36:51] (i use a js to default to fairuse on my wiki tho [16:38:55] I shouldn't do that, as not every thing is considered fair use. [16:39:35] commons: should never do that [16:40:27] [1/11] "Fair use is a legal doctrine that allows for the limited use of copyrighted material without permission from the copyright owner for purposes such as criticism, commentary, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research. However, fair use is subject to limitations, including considerations of the purpose and character of the use, the nature of the copyrighted work, the amount a [16:40:27] [2/11] nd substantiality of the portion used, and the effect of the use on the potential market for the original work. [16:40:27] [3/11] Copyright law establishes the legal framework for creators to protect their original works from unauthorized use or reproduction, thereby restricting the scope of fair use." [16:40:28] [4/11] * [[c:Commons:Fair use|Commons:Fair use]] [16:40:28] [5/11] * [[w:Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria|Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria]] [16:40:28] [6/11] * [[w:Fair use|Fair use]] [16:40:29] [7/11] You cannot download a whole set of images and upload that under Fair Use, but one image should be fine, as long as it's not under a license that allows for commercial activity. It is one of the main reasons that [[c:Commons Wikimedia|Commons Wikimedia]] (The repository for [[Wikipedia]]) also prohibits the Fair Use Doctrine. It is simply not compatible with our [[w:Creative Commons| [16:40:29] [8/11] Creative Commons]] licenses, and relicensing (publishing with a different license) is not allowed. [16:40:29] [9/11] So when you use a copyrighted image or text, be aware of its limitations and make sure to state the Fair Use purpose. You can copy the template from Wikipedia: [16:40:29] [10/11] [[w:Template:Non-free fair use|Template:Non-free fair use]]. [16:40:30] [11/11] This is only valid for the USA (And similarly the UK). Outside those countries, Fair use is not allowed according to the copyright laws of most nations. [16:40:30] [16:40:49] i do this bc most uploads on my wiki are fairuse and uploaders often forget to choose a license even if there's a notice direct above [16:41:23] Fair use requires that you state why it is fair use [16:41:27] yes [16:41:43] we have several fairuse templates [16:41:55] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428422717849210950/image.png?ex=68f271d2&is=68f12052&hm=b1f5635ff772d9b7bb957c9410fc323772d08d699a840b0682edb57fa6145621& [16:42:11] and we have overall fairuser reason in project:copyrights [16:42:41] You are one of the few. Good for you [16:42:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428422937001590926/image.png?ex=68f27206&is=68f12086&hm=1d16ce24e0401233f07e2b4d30f160871fca4d033a68d6a9fe13cd83976d8886& [16:43:06] Most think, I need it, so I just claim "Fair use" 😄 [16:43:14] i tried a lot to make [[mh:xyy:PGW:C]] overall reasonable [16:43:15] [16:43:22] even including many gray scale things [16:43:39] like unauthorized translation [16:44:26] Is this referring to "I don't know the license" or just generally? [16:45:05] [1/2] also fairused text content [16:45:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428423516516253697/image.png?ex=68f27291&is=68f12111&hm=d5069b50d6bf1c2df3006a81b6c8a65f2582667ca6bbf6441f74dab03abc1f2a& [16:45:12] If you do not know the license, yes. Where no copyright license is to be found, presume it to be fully copyrigted [16:45:20] i don't want them to seem unclear [16:45:31] i don't want them to seem unclear [16:46:38] [1/3] "and are presumed to be used under fair use as defined in applicable jurisdictions" [16:46:38] [2/3] "In applicable jurisdictions" means countries that allow for Fair use like the USA and the UK. [16:46:39] [3/3] Most countries do not have that provision. (I believe the Chinese Copyright laws don't either [16:47:12] but the wiki's server is in the us :EpicFaceMH: [16:47:31] But you're not uploading it from the US 😉 [16:47:53] good question [16:48:53] Example. If you take a photo of the "little Mermaid" in Copenhagen, it is protected by the copyrights of Denmark. [16:49:14] [1/2] the franchise's screenshots flying around local social media [16:49:14] [2/2] their production company decides to send a dmca to miraheze first [16:49:29] True [16:49:33] never happening [16:49:43] Not likely. [16:50:04] I just state what the laws officially mean and imply [16:50:14] i understand [16:50:30] (I'm no lawyer either) [16:50:34] any improve advice on this? [16:51:09] [1/2] we are not either [16:51:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428425042559238155/image.png?ex=68f273fd&is=68f1227d&hm=9b6f24428e488756b4ea6b675fcd5839044df3d446b934d1a8608518be17b3eb& [16:51:29] I would state: are presumed to be under fair use. [16:51:37] leave the last part out [16:51:47] okay [16:52:08] btw chinese copyright law actually has fairuse term. i believe it's been using on the chinese wiki of the franchise [16:52:44] [1/2] https://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/etd/102/ [16:52:44] [2/2] Apparently someone wrote a PhD dissertation on the subject [16:52:50] https://www.insme.org/insme-newsletter/file-e-allegati/newsletter_documents/2014031_copyright_protection_in_china_part_2.pdf [16:52:54] [1/2] one of their licensing statement [16:52:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428425480641712255/image.png?ex=68f27465&is=68f122e5&hm=21cec51fb8d4eb9a188cb32c5aa6e2e066a0e09ac5e11bcdfdb654c3c738f984& [16:53:17] https://copyrightservice.net/copyright/cn [16:53:24] (their server in china) [16:54:52] [1/3] ```Fair use limitations on rights [16:54:53] [2/3] In some circumstances a work may be used freely without permission the copyright owner, provided that there is appropriate acknowledgement of the name of the author and the title of the work being used. [16:54:53] [3/3] ``` [16:55:29] Interesting. Never knew that [16:55:49] [1/2] proper credit [16:55:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428426218004283392/image.png?ex=68f27515&is=68f12395&hm=f238c9da5b21d6ef3f5a7f394c7d1818b5435a9d16c9f063106d27873119f1f3& [16:56:52] Each country has so many copyright variations, it's hard to keep track of them all [16:58:00] Even the years of the authors death can vary from 50, 70, 90 or 100 years after the authors death. [16:58:02] [1/2] another presence of the word. any advice on this? (such reproductions do not qualify for independent copyright in the US?) [16:58:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428426774588424355/image.png?ex=68f27599&is=68f12419&hm=db269137fa8dd869607c2a833628c899d1a73e64b1f5512ff07a3e02d3a71295& [16:59:20] You can leave that one, as it is too vague anyways [16:59:40] it is [17:00:31] most wikis do not have detailed copyright statements or fairuse reasons as i know [17:00:52] true. Most do not even think about copyright [17:01:07] but when you really try clarifying them, there are such ambitious situations [17:01:17] I see it often on commons, users just uploading an image without any info [17:02:39] [1/2] we also have a separate section for pfp (via userprofilev2) ig most social media do the same to pfp but they hardly state this [17:02:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428427936645517424/image.png?ex=68f276af&is=68f1252f&hm=121121b684b415b84e10966463167ce9cd8286891059ba676b295f3a25074513& [17:05:45] we also content added to our wiki before [the date we moved from fandom to miraheze] is also available under cc by-sa 3.0. even wikipedia's copyright policy page [[WP:C]] doesn't mention their license change from 3.0 to 4.0, which is no doubt a big change [17:05:51] [17:08:43] In principle, there is nothing changed, as the conditions are the same, just that the wording of licenses on creativecommons.org have been revised. [17:09:06] there's something changed [17:09:23] content released under 4.0 cannot be re-released under 3.0 [17:09:36] that's true [17:09:43] so sites using 3.0 (e.g., fandom) can't legally copy our things [17:09:55] correct [17:10:23] but if they copy a revision before our move and credit properly, we'd have nothing to say [17:10:26] But we can use 3.0 content under 4.0 [17:10:29] yes [17:11:13] however they often don't credit at all [17:11:13] Most users don't [17:11:28] that's why we have a whole section on [[mh:xyy:PGW:C#When reusing content from Pleasant Goat Wiki]] [17:11:29] Every week I have to ask users to provide information with their uploads [17:12:28] Nice [17:12:28] [17:12:28] LOL. Bot is late [17:12:28] https://commons.miraheze.org/wiki/File:BlacksiteLogo.png?curid=11022&diff=31149&oldid=31147 [17:12:28] that is annoying [17:12:36] After I ask them to rectify the uploads, some do [17:12:52] most don't. Then I delete them, and then they complain [17:13:07] i once cleaned up all file description pages and want to watch all new changes [17:13:29] and i found [[phab:T14310]] [17:13:30] [17:13:59] sorry edited [17:16:20] Interesting. I too notice that not every action on Commons is logged in our feed either [17:17:41] on my wiki one editor stopped editing at all after i made a detailed explanation on how file description pages should work and asked her to fill in it properly :OpposeMH: [17:18:42] Yeah, annoying, but people just don't care [17:18:54] (I added my findings to your task btw [17:19:05] received email [17:19:27] i noticed this when i use a bot to mass edit file pages [17:19:34] the feed sends nothing [17:20:44] Yeah sometimes I miss it but new users have a bad habit of not using the upload form I have on special:upload [17:21:13] do you load a blank template with js or offer edittools [17:22:03] i offer edittools but i find only seasoned editors know how to use them. considering turning to loading a blank template tbh [17:22:30] No we have a preload template [17:22:55] https://commons.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Upload [17:23:02] it's good [17:24:07] [1/2] but this is how your nice notice disappears [17:24:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428433339055996938/image.png?ex=68f27bb7&is=68f12a37&hm=20acfbfa1f255da47d22038dc12211f544930315fcacb00abc7a6f8698c3112b& [17:24:35] this is why i asked #see all skins/languages in use? [17:25:14] Ah [17:25:24] preload template is fine [17:25:46] Yeah the notice is not translated I guess. It was in place before I joined [17:26:13] commons needs updating [17:26:23] It's horribly outdated [17:26:29] we have similar question [17:26:41] [1/3] https://xyy.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Upload?uselang=en [17:26:42] [2/3] https://xyy.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Upload?uselang=zh [17:26:42] [3/3] second one dismisses the notice [17:26:51] and too long users have used it as their personal encycopaedia [17:27:44] Yeah, missing translations [17:28:01] in urge (nobody cares actually) [17:30:04] i did this twice. first time fixes all file pages that are not filled in properly. second time uses an ai tool to add sources for fairuse screenshots [17:35:06] and nothing is sent to the feed 🤣 [17:36:39] [1/2] I have a user who is updating all his previous uploads, to bring it up to standard. [17:36:39] [2/2] None of his edits come in the feed [17:37:01] mass edits reveal the problem [17:37:16] It's annoying because I have to load the RecentChanges to see if he does still do them [17:37:33] it is [17:37:52] i find the tool cool and want to see it in the feed [17:38:16] [1/3] I just have a small infobox that preloads a lot of text on the subject. No idea if this is a good way to handle it, I just copied the format from a few other wikis. [17:38:17] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428436900309635203/image.png?ex=68f27f08&is=68f12d88&hm=b5490b5fbfcda51a86352d90555c1f5df7274b3db5f01f2b9994bca1e9a4fe85& [17:38:17] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1428436900955295906/image.png?ex=68f27f08&is=68f12d88&hm=8e33d2e31442731fa3d4c08dc2f22789228373da61118ead576288c905a6729b& [17:38:46] cool™ bc it recognizes the proper episode number with ai even tho it's just written in the file name e.g. [[mh:xyy:special:diff/85655]] [17:38:47] [17:40:13] this is way too neat [17:40:13] That looks really nice indeed [17:41:03] Absolutely fine [17:43:42] I'm off. Have a nice evening/night [18:06:16] Goodnight [18:20:01] to be fair there should be an extension that, you can specify an array of message pages in the mediawiki namespace, for which when their local translations are missing, use the local message in the default language, instead of the language's message in the default mediawiki software [18:21:22] `$wgModifiedMessages = ['uploadtext', ..]` makes users in other languages see the notice in english instead of the default message of that language. this definitely makes sens [18:23:02] well..i think i can do kinda similar thing with js [19:10:56] Quick question, if I were to use templates, how would I do those, just put them in? [19:11:17] I mean here [19:11:17] do what [19:11:26] yes [19:11:49] So i'd just replace with