[00:00:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to snowfleaf> idk if you're trying to be humble or nah
[00:01:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> no i just don't want it ❤️
[04:35:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bubblellop> [1/2] i didnt wanna bother and ask such a basic question but i am genuinely stumped so sorry if im missing something super obvious 💔 
[04:35:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bubblellop> [2/2] How do I add pages to categories? I've created some categories, and I know you're supposed to add a page to a category by editing the page and adding [[Category:name]] but when i do so it simply links to the category, but in the category page it says it lacks any pages, what am i doing wrong?
[04:35:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Name?action=edit&redlink=1>
[04:41:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to bubblellop> you aren't typing `[[:Category:name]]` are you? you have to add without that first `:`
[04:56:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bubblellop, replying to cosmicalpha> Nop, I do not add a : at the start
[04:56:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Can you link an example?
[04:58:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> are you using visual editor?
[05:09:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> who linged me
[05:17:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1396265758018900109
[05:18:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bubblellop, replying to cosmicalpha> [1/2] Sure! Here's an example of a page that just links back to the category, and you can check the category itself is empty
[05:18:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bubblellop, replying to cosmicalpha> [2/2] https://untitledsmp.miraheze.org/wiki/Season_0
[05:19:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> [1/2] what CosmicAlpha said
[05:19:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1396360785030287442/image0.jpg?ex=687dcdd2&is=687c7c52&hm=39bd2f03717416150059e0186b705a3c29ddc008073f1866837201f1e5b85394&
[05:19:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to bubblellop> [1/2] Its indeed using :
[05:19:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to bubblellop> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1396360788519682068/image0.png?ex=687dcdd3&is=687c7c53&hm=c7edc640adc4dace4c1d8390b805834f38e2c6f4098b5c1cb388d11cc063a24d&
[05:20:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bubblellop> Oh? That's odd, thanks tho for pointing it out, I'm using the visual editor so maybe that messed with it?
[05:20:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bubblellop> Should be that then, thanks!
[05:30:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to pskyechology> [1/2] ah, i had support roles but stepped down
[05:30:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to pskyechology> [2/2] i couldn't always act on role ping and it made me feel bad
[05:30:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> ah, fair enough
[05:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> idk i don't think they should be treated as obligations (see: the part where it says "volunteer") rather as a recognition that they've helped out
[05:32:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> if anyone does so i will curse them with a 900 year phorge wait time
[05:33:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah well i don't like lots of pings anyway
[05:34:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> in my brain they're reserved for dm's, something urgent or direct replies to me
[05:34:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> respectable
[06:09:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to bubblellop> [1/2] did you use this method before? (three bars > categories)
[06:09:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to bubblellop> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1396373543079383101/image.png?ex=687dd9b4&is=687c8834&hm=9822ab2d2a2562e6942ce0cd6d3f7f4ce8fd896190e3964f9f2621df87f91a32&
[06:13:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> oh wait
[06:13:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> read the messages incorrectly
[06:15:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> is there a shorter way of doing: {{#if: {{Template}}|{{Template}} without having to cann the template twice?
[06:15:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template?action=edit&redlink=1>
[07:01:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to lole5309> Just call {{Template\}}. I'm assuming that {{Template\}} either outputs whitespace character (in which case MediaWiki treats it as an empty space), or some non-whitespace text (in which case MediaWiki outputs as normal)
[07:02:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> Thanks
[10:05:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <html123456> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1396432899745644744/IMG_7279.jpeg?ex=687e10fb&is=687cbf7b&hm=96a042f7e36320a1196e30a1674b1d9594d12d3dd0c1c9c60cae07c38223bbc1&
[10:09:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <html123456> @notaracham
[10:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> lmao
[10:11:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> lol what
[10:11:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to html123456> and what you trying to achieve here?
[10:12:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> html123456, that's a name i haven't heard in a while
[10:12:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <html123456> NotAracham is crazy.
[10:12:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> so am i
[10:12:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i make eldritch noises when i'm really frustrated
[10:13:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> banned from this server.
[10:13:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ty :3
[10:13:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to blankeclair> girl same
[10:14:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> oh hell yeah :3
[10:14:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> When its clear someone isnt here for any constructive means there is no need to give any warnings so I decided to just ban here. For the record.
[10:14:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> we should summon hell together when we get logged out by CA
[10:14:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel> The fact he felt the "need" to post there, only confirms that whatever reason for them being globally locked, probably wasn't that unfair xD
[10:14:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> indeed
[10:15:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Should I delete the message? I wanted to avoid ghost pinging NA so didn't...
[10:15:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Global/Archive_1#Global_lock_for_Html123456's_socks
[10:15:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> plus a second lock request just below that
[10:18:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to blankeclair> The trick to not get logged out is attaching your account to all 20,000 wikis
[10:19:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to cosmicalpha> let him laugh w/ us :EpicFaceMH:
[10:21:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel> Yeah, no need to delete the message itself, when there is a ping, it isn't actively harmfull on it's own or anything afterall
[10:21:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Yep that was my thought there which is why I didn't set to delete any messages.
[10:22:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Anyway it is 4:22AM so I should sleep a little
[10:22:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> At least I dont have to wake up to early today lol
[10:24:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> DUDE AGAIN
[10:33:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to cosmicalpha> the temptation to do this
[10:34:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> lol
[10:34:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i have shell :)
[10:34:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> you'd never log in again lol
[10:35:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> lmao
[10:35:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> global lock by a thousand papercuts
[10:36:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> don't forget about new wikis xd
[10:42:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel> Someone needs to global lock CA, so he can get some sleep 😉
[10:43:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf, replying to blankeclair> #clocked
[10:44:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i have two trans flags on my userpage, i don't think it's that hard to clock me
[10:44:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to gummiel> lol
[10:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf, replying to blankeclair> you clocked their tea so bad sis
[10:44:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ?
[10:46:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf, replying to blankeclair> clock their tea = won an argument against them to the point where they lost their points
[10:46:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ohhhhhhh
[10:47:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> y'all are making me feel old already
[10:50:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> oh my god that's funny
[10:50:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> is it possible to restore the edit section buttons for pages made entirely of templates which transclude sections?
[10:50:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> thanks <@1362774850690613500> for the laugh, feel free to add me to ur ban list too
[10:51:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309, replying to lole5309> instead of ?action=edit&section=3 use ?action=edit&section=#Section_name
[11:40:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to raidarr> i wonder
[11:41:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if na hadn't pulled the trigger I would have a heartbeat later
[11:42:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to blankeclair> so you're actually not a human
[11:42:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> okay gaster
[11:44:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tryl_> Hello everyone, I am new here , so I can time to say ! ^^
[11:45:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to blankeclair> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1396458019071594567/I_am_gaster.mp4?ex=687e2860&is=687cd6e0&hm=a8c977ec0e6e863cc95e2ed0eeb6a5120afa73c54d7f8a2ea5824f7127afe12f&
[11:48:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> welcome to miraheze
[11:48:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tryl_, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Thanks
[13:24:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <onlyforuser, replying to tryl_> Welcome to Miraheze, try to make yourself comfortable while you're in here
[13:27:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <saoutax, replying to tryl_> hello
[13:51:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tango_man, replying to tryl_> hello and welcome
[13:58:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tryl_> [1/2] I got I guess a newbie question, I created a wiki and I was able to manage account/right and new page but I don't find how to "populate" the "content" left side section. Like the beginning section on the left of the windows
[13:58:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tryl_> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1396491463117901984/D55AA603-713A-4336-9851-9A94CD374DA9.png?ex=687e4786&is=687cf606&hm=dbc3c6a43c98b6a8be1d0b158aa67e273a14d8e1b9105c4da2931d7ea81fdfdb&
[14:13:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tryl_> [1/2] in this default skin called Vector 2022, what you on the left is a Table of Content (ToC) - it generated automatically when the article has 2 or more sections/headings
[14:13:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tryl_> [2/2] in other skins/themes people see on the left a sidebar
[14:14:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but ToC appears in the article, in content area
[14:15:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tryl_> Thank a lot, I will try that
[14:18:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] here's an example of usual look
[14:18:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Discord?useskin=vector>
[14:20:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tryl_> Perfect, it is the TOC I was looking for , thanks for your help
[14:25:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/3] i usually suggest newcomers to check out available skins, w/ Cosmos being particularly friendly by a) being mobile adaptive b) offering simple colorization,background and sizing settings
[14:25:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/3] Timeless and Citizen are popular, also mobile friendly 
[14:25:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/3] the old (simply) Vector and Monobook are traditional wiki look
[15:24:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> One more day…
[16:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to html123456> [1/2] Have fun elsewhere
[16:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to html123456> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1396527213821558794/image0.gif?ex=687e68d1&is=687d1751&hm=bc50c69e73940468010ea8674ef4d751d0f3fc464cb92b491e6a67a106eb48cd&
[16:25:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> they do not seem to be joking around at humorpedia...
[16:31:24] <Frisk>	 is "ts@miraheze.org" still a valid address to send reports to the Trust & Safety team?
[16:31:57] <Frisk>	 Got delivery failure when sending to it
[16:34:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> should be, that's concerning
[16:37:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> ts@ should work yes
[16:38:03] <Frisk>	 I were able to make a report via the portal, but noting the issue anyways, "We're writing to let you know that the group you tried to contact (ts) may not exist, or you may not have permission to post messages to the group. A few more details on why you weren't able to post:" is the part of the delivery failure message, can forward it if needed
[16:38:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Interesting
[16:41:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud> How bad of an idea would disabling the translate extension on a wiki with months of existing translated content be?
[16:45:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i believe left overs will be hidden in extension exclusive namespace
[16:45:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but idk about Translate
[16:46:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to Frisk> Im not even sure why that would happen… unless someone touched the email config recently…
[16:46:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Which I doubt
[16:56:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> ts@wikitide.org should work too
[17:26:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to mooncloud> You should be able to mass delete the content
[17:34:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.nott_is_here> Question: Is there a way to make it so my wiki won't show up in search engines?
[17:36:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Fairly sure there's a setting somewhere to turn on noindex,no follow
[17:37:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It won't stop it completely but it should reduce it
[17:38:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> google (idk about other engines) doesn't really respect robots.txt, unless you'll make wiki private
[17:38:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <afterglou> where can i change the font size of the server?
[17:39:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but if we are talking about super fresh wiki, then just do what rhinos said, google won't acknowledge it unless you'll register it in its console
[17:39:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.nott_is_here> Ah that's unfortunate. Thank you though!
[17:39:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.nott_is_here> Yes I Just Made It
[17:42:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> For future questioners, the setting (default robots policy) can be found under the SEO section of additional settings, Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-seo
[17:43:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Setting to noindex,nofollow radically reduces (but isn't a permanent kill option) for search engine crawling of your wiki
[17:43:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.nott_is_here> Thank you!
[17:45:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Setting a wiki to private comes with a host of its own other challenges, e.g. you have to manually include people as 'members' when they visit your wiki to see its contents, but it does more effectively stymie search engines.
[17:45:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Still isn't 100% either, though
[17:46:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.nott_is_here> Yeah that was why I didnt want to set as private
[17:46:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.nott_is_here> Thank you for the help
[17:46:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yep, glad to help.  Good luck on your wiki!
[17:47:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Frisk, thanks for the report as always, I've actioned accordingly
[17:49:12] <Frisk>	 thank you notaracham! Yeah, honestly personally I don't think I have mental capacity to handle such situations, I really appreciate your help there!
[17:50:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Absolutely.  One of the things on my to-do list is help create an 'emergency response guide' for CVT/local admins for situations like that.  Today's exercise has definitely given me some good ideas on how to approach it.
[17:51:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to notaracham> There are some guides on meta
[17:51:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But they need updating
[17:52:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yeah, I found a very good professional/volunteer org with a trove of resources, will also be doing some outreach to them to get inputs.
[17:54:57] <Frisk>	 <3