[00:13:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393022474668474510/image.png?ex=6871a8c7&is=68705747&hm=870291bae97db3a7dd84e962ff45f27fd042187dce45bd150f41d41195b9bc67&
[00:14:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> > CreateWiki AI
[00:14:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> an AI response
[00:14:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> ouch
[00:14:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> yeah...
[00:14:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> powered by ✨ openai ✨
[00:14:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> would be ideal if we didn't need to use an llm to process these, but...
[00:14:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> we have too many wiki requests and too few volunteers
[00:14:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yeah
[00:15:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> its already bad with the AI carrying
[00:15:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> ah
[00:15:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> I've edited the request to see if it goes through this time
[00:15:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> We had to be pragmatic
[00:15:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> AI only touches it once
[00:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to cysjunk> Anything beyond inital is human review
[00:18:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> alright
[01:00:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to blankeclair> [1/2] I wonder how much work it would be to support additional backends in CreateWiki and test them for vulnerabilities. OpenAI models are known to be pretty expensive, and they are not even the SOTA right now after Gemini 2.5 pro came out and dominated every benchmark. I just checked the rate limit for its free tier and 5 requests per minute + 100 requests 
[01:00:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to blankeclair> [2/2] per day should be higher than what we see in the WikiRequestQueue for now (60 requests per day).
[01:01:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> If we have to rely on an LLM, I'd prefer we depend on Google's (possibly ill-intended) generosity than paying OpenAI $30/month (or more?).
[01:02:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> could always train our own but that's probably not feasible
[01:05:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Yeah even running a local model (e.g. qwen) would be costly with the graphics card investment. I did hear that running them on server CPUs is feasible since someone did get it to work on a 64-core Threadripper (though responses are slow). We already have 40-core CPUs with lots of RAM, so we could potentially leverage that.
[01:07:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> The money paid to OpenAI is a small fraction of MH's budget (less than 10%?). It's just frustrating to pay OpenAI with donation money.
[01:07:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> does anyone happen to have a bunch of unwanted GPUs or money laying around? :p
[01:18:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] I think at our scale making an in-house LLM makes little sense with the current number of requests (unless we have some ambitious plan such as offering machine translation services). We should be able to get away with using free-tier apis, and if Google decides to decrease their free tier limit, which they haven't done in the past months, we can just rotate between multiple ba
[01:18:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] ckends.
[01:19:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> The main problem is that we are still handing users' createwiki requests to companies operating LLMs, but at least we're not paying them...
[01:24:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> I agree, might be worth considering
[02:19:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> We actually will be getting some gpus in a month or two
[02:21:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Both for tinkering with training LLMs/ML models/??? and something with complex/video processing needs
[02:23:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> CA or agent can better speak to exact plans
[02:27:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to cysjunk> I'll be off my hell week at work in the next few days and will be blasting through queued requests
[02:27:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Hold out hope, folks
[02:27:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> nice
[02:28:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> I need to get some rest right about now though
[03:17:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel> Also without the AI responses, you would probably be looking at, at least, a month, if not more for any response to a wiki request, at this point.
[03:41:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I think the request growth curve has gotten less angry, but it is still unforgiving
[03:56:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] The spike in early 2025 was probably the last straw.
[03:56:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393078555411480616/image.png?ex=6871dd01&is=68708b81&hm=ee35d2ff5fb9eaedf829c5da68a08668b1cf175603c8390ef0207f297ce47c3b&
[04:31:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] okay, just imported the navbox template from the miraheze dev wiki and uh
[04:31:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393087332566958141/Screen_Shot_2025-07-11_at_12.30.54_AM.png?ex=6871e52e&is=687093ae&hm=190032a5c841899c56dbccfab49d9ab6101dc0afc0fedfcea9bf2d8b55fb7f81&
[04:31:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> i don't think it's supposed to look like this
[04:39:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> oh, wait, i need the navbar too
[04:39:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> wait why is that a seperate template
[04:40:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> might be because that navbar has other uses than a navbox template
[04:44:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] okay, nope, still didn't work
[04:44:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393090433873088692/Screen_Shot_2025-07-11_at_12.43.45_AM.png?ex=6871e811&is=68709691&hm=af33b330e3089b965ba4e1e003c21821f0b2671eb962bd7416df6394940f8257&
[04:44:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] what's a guy gotta do to get something like this
[04:44:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393090592841400371/Screen_Shot_2025-07-11_at_12.44.22_AM.png?ex=6871e837&is=687096b7&hm=02d74cf2dd3aef519c93b8b57c1805731d3efe627dd5f0bb798984c60697ab2c&
[04:47:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] or this
[04:47:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393091186742263930/Screen_Shot_2025-07-11_at_12.46.38_AM.png?ex=6871e8c5&is=68709745&hm=85c7d569e106f6abdd9d5a094f5d55a3e11daa69815b7192b3b4d0be76454386&
[04:49:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to cartoonosaurusrex> Have you checked those wikis specific templates?
[04:50:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] HAH, I DID IT
[04:50:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393091973363138570/Screen_Shot_2025-07-11_at_12.49.51_AM.png?ex=6871e980&is=68709800&hm=1a33926f4e02463a92b40155e55661226fc0dbdfe30591735a5fd9ead9e951e4&
[04:50:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Importing from wikipedia is h a r d
[04:50:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> Just had to copy the Navbox module from miraheze meta
[04:50:38] <BlankEclair>	 > [11/07/2025 14:31] <MirahezeRelay> <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] okay, just imported the navbox template from the miraheze dev wiki and uh
[04:50:46] <BlankEclair>	 amelialoveheart: i... don't think that's wikipedia
[04:55:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I’m barely awake rn
[05:12:57] <BlankEclair>	 fair
[05:45:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to cartoonosaurusrex> html table navbox looks lit
[05:58:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to cartoonosaurusrex> Lots of CSS, though this template doesn't work well on mobile (lots of empty space)
[07:05:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <james.prison> [1/2] How do i stop my template from breaking down like this
[07:05:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <james.prison> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393125920646234132/Screenshot_20250711-055454_Chrome.jpg?ex=6872091e&is=6870b79e&hm=8ef51e2fe33a4b0ffb3321dc2f093451a89aa48281352e33766eb9d7635a5bc4&
[07:13:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to james.prison> [1/2] are you looking at Template: page? this is normal behaviour because you aren't using the template, it doesn't have dtaa to show
[07:13:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to james.prison> [2/2] once you use infobox on normal page and provide data for its parameters, it will look like it should
[07:18:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <james.prison> Ahh
[07:18:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <james.prison> Now i understand
[07:24:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <james.prison> What do you mean provide data for its parameters?
[07:54:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to james.prison> [1/5] ```
[07:54:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to james.prison> [2/5] <data source="parameter">
[07:54:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to james.prison> [3/5]     <label>LABEL/label
[07:54:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to james.prison> [4/5] /data
[07:54:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to james.prison> [5/5] ```
[09:43:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to james.prison> [1/6] what no idea posted is a code of template itself 
[09:43:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to james.prison> [2/6] when you use template it should be
[09:43:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to james.prison> [3/6] `{{templatename
[09:43:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to james.prison> [4/6] |parameter = Something
[09:43:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to james.prison> [5/6] }}`
[09:43:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to james.prison> [6/6] in this case "Something" will appear next to "LABEL"
[11:47:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivan_the_not_so_terrible> [1/2] if there are no photos of the vehicle I need in public domain, can I instead link the non-free source without displaying the image? I don't really want to mess with fair use at this point 
[11:47:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ivan_the_not_so_terrible> [2/2] And when I do start messing with free use, is it enough to just use `Template:Non-free fair use` and typing `Source: www.example.com` in file description?
[12:50:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Is there any way to "disable" the UserWiki namespace?
[12:50:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> I don't want users to be confused by both User and UserWiki existing simultaneously.
[12:50:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> (what's the purpose of UserWiki anyway?)
[12:51:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf, replying to bitbyte10> are you using SocialProfile?
[12:52:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to snowfleaf> What's that? (sorry I'm new)
[12:53:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf, replying to bitbyte10> the SocialProfile extension
[12:53:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> also arent you from fandomcord??
[12:53:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to snowfleaf> Yeah we're using that
[12:53:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to snowfleaf> yup
[12:54:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf, replying to bitbyte10> i don't think you can disable the UserWiki namespace
[12:54:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> maybe use the UserProfileV2 extension?
[12:54:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> it's kind of similar to the current day fandom userpage
[12:54:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Ahh alright
[12:56:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to snowfleaf> I mean, the namespace shouldn't cause much confusion would it?
[12:56:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Like we aren't gonna have people confusing it for the User namespace
[12:58:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> maybe
[12:58:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> i don't recommend using SP though
[12:58:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf> has a lot of personal questions when you edit your profile
[12:59:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> fun fact: i have been involved on developing that extension with OA
[13:00:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> exactly on i18n and global CentralAuth stuffs
[13:03:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> fun fact: '"><script>alert(":3")/script
[13:04:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <han.0000, replying to ivan_the_not_so_terrible> [1/2] linking to non-free sources is perfectly okay, as long as you're not linking to illegal stuff (like piracy websites)
[13:04:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <han.0000, replying to ivan_the_not_so_terrible> [2/2] mentioning that it's fair use (for example with Template:Non-free fair use, it doesn't have to be a wall of legalese text) and including the source is more than sufficient in most use cases.
[13:07:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> [1/2] Any way to fix the horizontal rule not going through the username?
[13:07:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393217118618779648/image.png?ex=68725e0d&is=68710c8d&hm=94b50483bc1b50e07596154c078b1dd8b8e0cc24150153d3bf7ddef546046791&
[13:07:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <p1f2, replying to snowfleaf> If a wiki doesn't use SocialProfile, is there any way it can still use blog posts?
[13:08:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowfleaf, replying to p1f2> only thing i could think of is subpages </3
[13:16:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to bitbyte10> Nvm I believe I have the solution:nomChocoStrawberry:
[13:53:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bitbyte10> hey since when were you here
[13:54:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to bartomelow> Since the "2nd AI Enshittification" incident
[13:54:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> the skibidians are taking over :pupCoffeeMH:
[13:54:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Does this server have a Lucy twin?
[13:54:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> no
[13:54:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> I hope not 😨
[13:54:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> not yet at least
[14:31:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to bitbyte10> this forking potential seems to be real
[14:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to sc172> We're the first one
[14:33:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Afaik other wikis are considering it too, but waiting for the experiment to potentially get cancelled.
[14:33:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> They have hope, we don't.
[14:33:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to bitbyte10> fortunate
[14:34:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> miraheze usually had css caches to work very slowly
[14:34:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> it got to a part where i have batch css code for personal atm
[14:35:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to sc172> Oh yeah it takes like 5-10 minutes to see the CSS put into effect
[14:35:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bitbyte10> for some reason
[14:35:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Something I didn't encounter on Fandom personally
[14:35:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> ?debug=2 will solve all your problems
[14:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pskyechology> Thank you skibidi sigma
[14:35:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to bitbyte10> better use v2 version honestly, this one is horribly old and broken
[14:36:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I was able to use CSS to fix it
[14:37:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [1/2] what's the extenstion to add those navigations?
[14:37:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393239776701841452/image.png?ex=68727327&is=687121a7&hm=99faa9c324d90c26b967a01a662059c76d29d7fee40e6afceb427ac249b9fa93&
[14:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to sc172> what am i looking at
[14:38:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> the bottom of the userprofilev2
[14:39:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bitbyte10> Please change the colors of tge buttons
[14:39:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> Yellow sucks!!!
[14:39:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to bartomelow> Alright poop brown it is
[14:39:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to sc172> [1/2] i meant this thing
[14:39:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to sc172> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393240380480294974/image.png?ex=687273b7&is=68712237&hm=56895369866b083f6e361437b3d75f41f4bfcc517e4f393491d0d3f93c0a79cc&
[14:40:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bitbyte10> I'm deleting your wiki
[14:40:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> im gonna find a way to make you go back to F*ndom
[14:40:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> AIndom
[14:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Hell na
[14:41:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bitbyte10> actually you get a worse fate
[14:41:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> WIKIDOT!!!
[14:53:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to bartomelow> [1/2] Please no I changed it to a good colour
[14:53:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to bartomelow> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393243712410222732/image.png?ex=687276d2&is=68712552&hm=a5527e7893c9c57a1b34146120f8b0e651334343db5206d2370c64fcf069dc63&
[15:02:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bitbyte10> add a radius...
[15:02:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to bartomelow> after I watch my daily skibidi slop to refresh my attention span
[15:03:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> Hopeless
[15:12:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bitbyte10> NOW
[15:20:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk, replying to cysjunk> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393250510894661692/image.png?ex=68727d27&is=68712ba7&hm=3f5c8d9729401c2eee9dc39ac920499eeb890d224e537710c834219b0556bca3&
[15:20:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> I nearly forgot this
[15:20:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> the initial report I sent
[15:20:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> and a few replies since
[15:21:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> I should mention that this Tokina user seems to be the only one replying to these reports
[15:29:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to cysjunk> There is a "Offensive Terms Policy" on Fandom now
[15:29:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Won't allow you to write certain terms uncesnored (such as the n word) even if the media contains it
[15:29:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> I understand why the N-word is included there
[15:30:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> but I'm still annoyed at how they decided to edit the pages without knowledge of what they were doing
[15:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to cysjunk> What word do they have issues with in specific?
[15:30:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> the R-word
[15:30:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> DMs obv
[15:31:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Oh the one that ends with d?
[15:31:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk, replying to cysjunk> see here
[15:31:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Oh yeah, Fandom policy prohibits it
[15:31:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> I pointed to both the episode itself and a character description and yet they edited it anyway
[15:31:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Offensive_Terms_Policy
[15:32:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Don't blame Tokina, she's just executing Fandom policy
[15:33:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> You can write it as `r*ed` and they should be fine with it
[15:34:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> [1/2] it's not really the censorship of the word I'm annoyed with
[15:34:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> [2/2] it's just the way they handled it
[15:35:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to cysjunk> Oh well
[15:35:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> That's Fandom for ya
[15:35:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> I know
[15:35:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> that is why I started a request to fork that wiki
[15:35:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> I have a feeling Fandom won't really like other content in that show
[15:35:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10> Ooh, joining the fork club like us.
[15:36:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to bitbyte10> (he's a skibidian)
[15:36:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> anything but that type of language
[15:36:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> Skibidi mentioned
[15:36:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk, replying to cysjunk> Please no m ore
[15:36:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to cysjunk> brrr skibidi dop dop yes yes yes skibidi
[15:39:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk, replying to cysjunk> Another example
[15:39:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> > The c-word - As a sexist term directed towards women
[15:39:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393255413029408919/Vince_uncensored_2.mp4?ex=687281b7&is=68713037&hm=ba788b9f617bdc9c3e80d488dc04d31cd392bd29c6fffcd127214e53872c8770&
[15:39:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> that is actually a part of the personality of a character
[15:40:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> of course in the show itself it's censored but still
[15:40:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue, replying to cysjunk> Literally only america find that offensive im pretty sure
[15:40:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> Nobody else in the world cares
[15:40:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pdtblue> Smh
[15:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cysjunk> exactly
[15:55:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bitbyte10, replying to pdtblue> I didn't even know it was considered offensive until this policy came out
[16:15:13] <ranger774>	 Hi
[16:15:20] <ranger774>	 I am not used to IRC
[16:15:46] <ranger774>	 Am I in the  Miraheze
[16:15:50] <ranger774>	 Wiki
[16:16:45] <ranger774>	 ?
[16:18:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ?
[16:28:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to ranger774> you are in support place for wikis hosted by Miraheze
[16:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to ranger774> https://tenor.com/view/lolol-is-this-krusty-krab-no-its-patrick-phonecall-ringing-gif-15847513
[16:35:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Hello
[16:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I want to apply for a new wiki
[16:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> But I want to ensure that it will be allowed before I do
[16:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> It is about a nsfw anime, and fandom banned our wiki a while back
[16:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> But I have the text
[16:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I see the rules says that I could
[16:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> But I figured better safe than sorry
[16:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Can I say the name here or is there a nsfw channel?
[16:39:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow> More than likely yes if you have a clear scope and can explain it well.
[16:39:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Right
[16:39:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Thanks
[16:39:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Applying now then
[16:40:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow> Yeah I would say apply, and if its rejected for whatever reason you will have a chance to re-explain the scope.
[16:40:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I am guessing you like pokemon?
[16:40:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691, replying to platyellow> Okay
[16:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to rintohsaka9991_37691> [1/2] I loved the games when I was younger, but I thought it was a solid joke
[16:40:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to rintohsaka9991_37691> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393270816904319076/ws4Dx6t.jpg?ex=68729010&is=68713e90&hm=50e643982ad6853e2bda825cabf049f196be9e3d4864f1a4f7d09af10d0684b2&
[16:41:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I still love them
[16:41:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Although I have not played in years
[16:41:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I should start again
[16:42:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to rintohsaka9991_37691> as long as you follow rules for NSFW wikis you should be fine
[16:43:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_comply_with_the_NSFW_Content_Policy>
[16:44:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I did. Another thing, where should anime and visual novel go in the category?
[16:44:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I think games should work, since it is a visual novel, but the anime is more popular
[16:45:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> So I was thinking of putting it in that section, since most people are here for that
[16:45:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i think vn wikis do pick games category
[16:46:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there's alice soft wiki, maybe check them, on Special:ManageWiki page
[16:46:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ^ nsfw wiki
[16:50:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Thanks
[16:52:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Is manage wiki available for regular users?
[16:52:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Special Pages do not seem to have that for me
[16:53:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rintohsaka9991_37691> Wdym regular users
[16:53:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Are you talking on a local or global level
[16:54:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I want to do what Legroom suggested
[16:54:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (I.e. the admins of wiki would probably not be considered regular users in context of a single wiki, but would be on scale of miraheze global)
[16:54:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> But I can not find the option under special pages
[16:54:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Oh to view yes anyone can
[16:54:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Where may I find this page?
[16:55:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [[mh:subdomainhere:Special:ManageWiki/core]]
[16:55:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/subdomainhere:Special:ManageWiki/core>
[16:55:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Frat
[16:55:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Drat
[16:55:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Wait
[16:55:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Fixed
[16:55:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Replace test with the wiki url
[16:55:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Found it
[16:55:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Thanks
[16:56:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I was searching "Special:ManageWiki " exactly, but it was under "Manage A Wiki"
[16:56:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Got it
[16:57:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> For future reference though, where do anime and manga usually go ?
[16:57:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rintohsaka9991_37691> I love mediawiki…
[16:58:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rintohsaka9991_37691> Uh, I wouldn’t give a solid this or that since we don’t really have strict anything on the categorizations, and it doesn’t matter all that much
[16:58:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I see, it is possible to change these details later?
[16:58:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’d say whatever you’d prefer the wiki show up under when searching(yeah, not a good answer i know)
[16:58:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rintohsaka9991_37691> Yes
[17:00:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> Okay
[17:20:03] <Lyralici0us>	 How do I promote a user to moderator on my wiki?
[17:24:38] <Lyralici0us>	 Never mind!
[17:35:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> [1/2] Done. I made the request. One more thing, is it possible to import the database xml from the old wiki from fandom?  I see that there is an import option, but I know that many things on fandom depend on custom extensions. 
[17:35:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> [2/2] My main concern is the edit history, and contribution history of the other users.
[17:36:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rintohsaka9991_37691> Yeah if that’s in the XML you provide it will be imported
[17:36:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2bhank> quick question, is there a way to delete a bunch of pages in one go? months back i trancluded a lot of manually clearing the clutter is. Daunting
[17:37:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> great
[17:37:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rintohsaka9991_37691> I will let you know how it goes
[17:40:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> [1/8] how do I make a simple contents like navbox?
[17:40:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> [2/8] I would like it to just be 
[17:40:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> [3/8] Contents [hide]
[17:40:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> [4/8] 1 15th Century
[17:40:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> [5/8]  1.1 Wars of Lombardy
[17:40:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> [6/8]   1.1.1 First Campaign of the war of lombardy
[17:40:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> [7/8] etc
[17:40:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> [8/8] the navbox templates I find are all very complex I just need to list wars and events (I would just use the automatic content box but wars series of event can intersect and content can't understand that)
[17:40:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to 2bhank> Special:Nuke I think
[17:40:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> May have to enable the extension
[17:40:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <2bhank, replying to pixldev> thank you, i will check that
[17:42:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to _fizban> table of content appears automatically when there are 3 headings, or you can force it w/ `FORCETOC` magic word
[17:42:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> my bad man sorry
[17:43:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> as I was saying I would just use that but series of events etc can intersect and contents can't understand that, it would just end up listing things in the order they are written so if an event happens from a first series of event happens after second series of events starts it would be erroneously be listed under the second)
[17:44:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> as I was saying I would just use that but series of events etc can intersect and contents can't understand that, it would just end up listing things in the order they are written so if an event happens from a first series of event happens after second series of events starts it would be erroneously be listed under the second
[17:58:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> ok I think I misunderstood
[17:59:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban> I used force toc as suggested, it works (which is already a big jump forward), but it adds the items I force in to the automatic ones instead of substituting them
[18:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Hi
[18:07:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> How do I verfiy?
[18:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> #verify
[18:18:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yo athria
[18:18:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> how ya doin
[18:20:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> I am fine
[18:20:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Thinking of gettinbg back to hiring writers
[18:24:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to 2bhank> Extension:Nuke, Extension:NukeDPL, autowikibrowser, and pywikibot can all batch delete pages (roughly in increasing order of power and difficulty to set up).
[18:26:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> The amount of power you need depends on the complexity of the page selection criteria.
[18:36:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_fizban, replying to _fizban> no... it doesn't... it just created new sections
[19:00:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to posix_memalign> autowikibrowser doesn't currently work with my wiki, so I'm not sure if it'll be much use
[19:02:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> The Java version still works with mine
[19:16:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to platyellow> We can make it work
[19:16:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Assuming you're getting an error about a secure connection
[19:17:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to rhinosf1> [1/2] yes, thats the one
[19:17:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to rhinosf1> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393310355337379860/Untitled.jpg?ex=6872b4e3&is=68716363&hm=430688a433906e962c4199c1617855d035a8dbb3a9d2b2077660835ab95656a2&
[19:18:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to platyellow> Which wiki?
[19:18:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to rhinosf1> totaltennis
[19:21:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to platyellow> Try now
[19:22:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow> There we go
[19:22:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow> Thankyou
[19:24:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> No problem
[20:34:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> I made a dumb mistake - all my wiki problems was a non opened port
[21:13:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Any news from Miraheze?
[21:16:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> about?
[21:17:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Anything, I have been out of the loop for months
[21:17:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Raidarr/Miraheze_Monthly/
[21:21:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Ty
[21:22:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Thank the folks who made this
[21:23:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @posix_memalign btw are you okay with straight edits to the draft page for the July issue?
[21:49:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> Is there a way to specify whether an individual image is lazily loaded or not?
[21:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Hmm, I never thought of lazy loading, what is that?
[21:59:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> [1/3] In HTML, a lazy-loaded image (or iframe) is only loaded when their corresponding element in within the viewport (HTML `loading="lazy"`
[21:59:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> [2/3] This only works if JavaScript is enabled for a user
[21:59:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> [3/3] On Miraheze, lazy loading for all images can be enabled via Additional settings -> Media -> "Native Image Lazy Loading"
[22:13:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to pixldev> [1/2] Yeah I think it's fine. Cactus did some questionable things, so I mentioned it in the talk page. He seems very eager to get roles on Meta (with the previous translator and wiki creator applications), so I think it'll be better if he can step back and take things slowly. In general, though, I would welcome any wiki creator or tech team member to contribute 
[22:13:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to pixldev> [2/2] a column. Maybe there could be a restriction for editors with less experience so that they don't rush it.
[22:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> And by the way, I added a short note about Polcompball Wiki and Polcompball Anarchy Wiki and it'll be have a steward read it before publication to make sure that I didn't misrepresent anything.
[22:21:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to posix_memalign> I’m unsure if that’s something we should put on news issue tbh
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[23:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> [1/2] Weird bug I encountered, dunno if this is due to mediawiki or due to the skin (was working fine before):
[23:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> [2/2] I have a tempalte that works fine (https://kaoruhana.wiki/wiki/Template:Navigation) and it's listed on the actual page... but they just don't appear now...
[23:32:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> wdym doesn't appear now
[23:33:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> glad i already had lunch
[23:33:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32, replying to pskyechology> It doesn't show on the page anymore even tho the code is actually on the page
[23:33:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> which page
[23:33:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32, replying to pskyechology> Many pages, for example Main page https://kaoruhana.wiki/wiki/Main_Page
[23:34:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> It should show up at the very end but it's not showing
[23:34:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393374870854828052/image.png?ex=6872f0f8&is=68719f78&hm=472593958259654ad8834506913cc64c64220d6bfe8a3ad68ee4d2221c6ca84b&
[23:34:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to mikhi32> [1/2] ?
[23:34:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to mikhi32> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393374882729033932/Screenshot_20250712-093400.png?ex=6872f0fb&is=68719f7b&hm=d759e1a9d53ddf9aa6d99480529b71a41ef9600c8f120d38ad391b2fbea5984c&
[23:34:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Huh...
[23:34:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> try purging the page
[23:34:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Wait i just realized
[23:35:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Idk why but my browser set the default user agent to a phone???
[23:35:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> So it was not showing me the desktop interface
[23:35:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> isn't citizen a responsive skin? ^^;
[23:35:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> oh hmm, maybe not
[23:35:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> idk lol ^^;
[23:35:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32, replying to blankeclair> It should be
[23:35:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Some stuff i've had to tweak myself
[23:35:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to mikhi32> try ?useformat=desktop
[23:35:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> it is but there's still a mobile view
[23:36:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32, replying to blankeclair> No I swithced there
[23:36:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pskyechology> ah, so just the MF stuff?
[23:36:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ah
[23:36:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Firefox Dev edition is just weird
[23:36:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [1/3] most likely yeah
[23:36:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [2/3] scawy button
[23:36:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393375430983159910/image.png?ex=6872f17e&is=68719ffe&hm=83ee21c35e95d91ea16f41d2e6a757bd547c9b1c285690e5ae43ca1e578ab925&
[23:36:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> <https://ddg.gg/user%20agent>?
[23:37:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to mikhi32> try searching for useragent in about:config ig
[23:38:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32, replying to blankeclair> Here it shows a user agent it's supposed to show... user agent...
[23:38:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> huh
[23:38:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> a non-mobile one, right?
[23:38:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Yeah
[23:38:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Desktop one, the one i'm used to
[23:39:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Could this be a MW bug?
[23:39:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> https://kaoruhana.wiki/cdn-cgi/tracw
[23:39:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32, replying to blankeclair> Still shows the "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:141.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/141.0" which is the expected desktop one
[23:39:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> huh
[23:39:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> can't debug for a couple hours tho
[23:40:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32, replying to blankeclair> OK actually, might just be a fuckup on my part, think I might have swithced to mobile view once, it saved it somewhere in local storage and then I never changed it back
[23:40:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Shows it normal on my part
[23:41:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mikhi32> Sorry for the confusion
[23:41:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ah oki ^_^
[23:42:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> fun test time: https://coveryourtracks.eff.org
[23:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> damn i need to change my timezone
[23:45:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pskyechology> if on firefox, privacy.resistFingerprinting
[23:46:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> _burns off fingerprints_
[23:47:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to originalauthority> sorry, due to budget cuts you'll have to use this grater
[23:47:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to originalauthority> tom scott
[23:48:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to blankeclair> PINEAPPLE
[23:48:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pskyechology> read grater as gender 💀
[23:48:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> that's a weird gender
[23:54:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to blankeclair> [1/2] funnily enough on firefox the most identifying part is that i use firefox (and ubuntu ig)
[23:54:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to blankeclair> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1393379847258116167/image.png?ex=6872f59b&is=6871a41b&hm=02261adb319493c8ee6fce41c2c87133bc71b36a96f7e7155bf019df74799f30&