[04:27:13] @posix_memalign hey petra, coming soon to the middle of the month, so we should prob have an update about miraheze monthly. I think we should get in the habit of reminding ourselves during like the middle of the month and the last week. we haven't had any noms for wiki highlights, so I'll hunt for some and run them by you. only other thing I can [04:27:13] think about is the CSP changes, which is probably better off handled by you, and Cookie consent stuff which I'll prob ask OA about [04:27:44] idt OA has been involved with that [04:27:55] oh silly me [04:28:00] I think it was uhhhhhh [04:29:35] CA [04:29:37] yeah CA [04:29:51] I did not spend 2 minutes scrolling thru IRC logs :) [04:30:06] oooooo just reminded myself community elections voting [04:30:34] everyone forgot lowkey [04:30:45] ya.... [04:30:57] if you're elected am I gonna have to call you madam skye [04:31:57] i aint that old [04:32:26] oooooooo i think I'm gonna have ta [04:32:31] Duchess Skye of Miraheze. /silly [04:33:21] the securepoll thing isn't even open [04:34:37] jokes on skye we're actually secret spies for NA and reception and by disgusting her with nicknames skye will DROP out [04:50:19] Well, the only thing that is significant event is the voting on the director nominees lol [04:52:21] One day...... one day I'll understand what tech teams are talking about in phorge :xsob: [05:11:05] Nah, would love a scenario where we all three are on the board in some future state [05:11:33] that would be fun [05:11:52] votings gonna be tough [05:12:05] Nothing but appreciation for the hard work of my fellow nominees [05:12:45] yeah [05:12:59] man after I do my patrolling for the day I kinda just...sit around [05:13:24] its funny because by now its like my routine [05:13:37] wake up [05:13:37] patrol [05:13:38] eat [05:13:38] patrol [05:13:39] sleep [05:15:15] 637 patrols dang [05:18:43] I recommend non patrolling activities. Big world out there [05:19:10] suggestions? [05:19:47] i've *tried* to dabble in CVT a bit but I feel there's either I'm doing wrong or I just...dont have enough patience and never there at the right time [05:19:55] staring at the feed is like [05:19:57] making me sleepy [05:21:24] You don't stare at feed all the time lol [05:21:36] You can use discord search to filter the feeds [05:22:42] true, true [05:22:44] but IRC [05:22:48] sooooo like [05:24:22] [1/5] I was wondering which path you want to take as a volunteer since you're doing a lot of good work for CVT as well. You don't have to "pick a path", but if you are interested in doing more for the CVT team, you can ask them for how you can be more involved. [05:24:22] [2/5] On the tech side, you could be answering more questions in #support. A lot of it is just looking things up and see if you found the correct answer. You usually end up learning more about MediaWiki in the process. Building up your own wiki will also help as you interact more with the software and learn its quirks. I can also DM/ping you if there are simpl [05:24:22] [3/5] e tasks on Phorge that you can resolve. [05:24:22] [4/5] If you are more ambitious, you can try to get MediaWiki installed locally on your computer. This is very time-consuming and can be frustrating at times, but that really helps with learning as you play around with installing extensions and tweaking settings. Once that's done, the usual path forward is to try fix simple extension bugs using your local inst [05:24:23] [5/5] all: install the extension, reproduce the bug, tweak the code, verify that the bug disappears after your tweaks, and then submitting your patch to GitHub/gerrit. This also requires some programming knowledge and learning more about PHP, so it'll be lots of things to learn but also very fun and rewarding. [05:25:14] huh [05:26:14] wait, joined less than a month ago?? [05:30:46] @thewwrnerdguy https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Util/args/parse person is still making modules, idk why [05:32:11] [1/2] I'm focusing on both paths, CVT and tech side. I did building up my own wiki, CZN game but still need time to learn lots of stuffs there, especially Bucket extension which was the first time I'm using it. Sure, hit me up if there's simple tasks on Phorge \o/ [05:32:11] [2/2] Ah yes, getting Mediawiki installed locally. That is time consuming from the looks of it and I have been prostinasting about that but eventually, I gonna need to install it one day in order to delve deep into the mediawiki tech side, find bugs and submit to Github or gerrit. I'll do it one day after I have done building up foundation on my wiki [05:33:02] elisapoly do you usually search up something specific when going thru CVT logs [05:33:09] what's ur process if you have one [05:34:17] yes I do [05:34:33] yuh huh wuh [05:34:45] darn that was 15 seconds [05:35:06] [1/4] for example: [05:35:06] [2/4] in:#global-wiki-feed referral [05:35:06] [3/4] in:#global-wiki-feed promo code [05:35:07] [4/4] in:#global-wiki-feed crypto [05:35:37] this search words are actually from Fandom cause they got hit the hardest by those bots [05:35:46] yum is crypto a food [05:37:02] Then for vandalism, you can use all of sorts of vulgar words and you may a few "gems" there [05:37:21] but u also have to be careful cause there's some legit articles using those words [05:37:35] I can probably write CVT 101 lol [05:42:17] [1/2] I didn't notice that earlier. In my perspective, I see lots of good reports in #cvt with a fairly low rate of false positives (I vaguely remember one but CVT is not my specialty). On Phorge being able to triage tasks and work with tech on submitting PRs are good signs of a promising new volunteer. The account is very new but that's not a decisive fact [05:42:17] [2/2] or. Skye's account was 2/3/4 months old on Phorge/Discord/Meta when she requested Beta access and she didn't even edit other wikis before that. [05:46:26] [1/2] I know that the CVT team has a private wiki to share information about vandals. They may have some concerns about publishing how to catch vandals publicly because we don't want spammers to learn our methods. With that said, I doubt spammers will look up our CVT guides before spamming. [05:46:26] [2/2] If you do decide to write a guide (which would be a great resource), please just double-check with #cvt to see what they think. [06:09:09] Spammers are mostly bots anyway, so they won't be looking those up. Of course, I won't be listing those characteristics of LTA vandals in my guide, otherwise I would be targeted next. I'll definitely check with cvt team if I write it [06:12:50] Yeah, apparently I'm still less than a month old. I thought I have been here a few months already [06:49:42] Yeah you're almost a month in here already [06:49:55] I'm from last year but that's a big lie [06:50:41] I didn't talked in here for quite some time just to dig around the wiki community [06:51:30] Forgot it for some time [06:52:02] Resurfaced a bit due to a certain project manager abandoned his post and attempt to kill off the wiki and trello [06:52:18] Then fully surfaced after skywiki got gutted [07:21:12] [1/2] omw to claim the total wiki noob to tech speedrun WR [07:21:13] [2/2] it sounds impressive but do keep in mind i already had an alright tech background so it wasn't rocket science [07:25:09] i would call myself slow-ish and i do sometimes feel slightly overshadowed by my awesome prodigies of Petra (even though I wasn't his mentor, I did abduct him) and WWR [07:44:42] i thought you had been here for years, that’s impressive [07:45:13] i mean you got a sect and all :KekW: [07:54:18] courtesy of procrastinating and bad jokes :EpicFaceMH: [08:21:22] [1/3] I think people's impressions are correlated with the level of activity and visibility. Reception is around for more than 10 years but mostly does work in the background, so our average users probably never heard of him. [08:21:22] [2/3] In this sense the Miraheze space is like the corporate world: you need to do work but also need to let others know about the work. Perhaps this is an uncharitable/cynical interpretation of the situation, especially in light of upcoming board elections. [08:21:22] [3/3] Discord presence is also a big factor, which is unfortunate for anyone not here. The IRC bridge works but not as well for non-textual information. [08:24:17] I kind of want to spill more about how Miraheze is positioned uniquely when it comes to recognizing the value of someone's work, but it's kind of late so maybe I'll pick this train of thought up some other time. [08:36:24] and reception has been plucking away at the background which is pretty visible if both phorge and wiki are accounted for [08:36:53] discord has taken a very large, too large really role in being the face of the 'central community' [08:55:05] [1/2] nowhere else can you casually chat with your fellow nerds [08:55:06] [2/2] as much as I would more on-wiki activity it would feel far too formal to send like 90% of what I would send on discord [08:55:15] Since it's wayy too easy to community yeah [08:56:40] basically in my mind we need a better functioning second space though I'm not sure what to do about irc with that, and a better habit of keeping on-wiki in the loop at least [08:57:06] and just being aware I suppose of not putting too extreme stock on discord [08:57:38] the non-irc alternatives are rather fragmented at best [08:57:59] and irc itself I don't know how much more can be glazed up to be on level footing [08:58:10] [1/2] as for the discord being discord part, well we still haven't made it to that bridge yet [08:58:10] [2/2] if fluxer ever hits it off I'd be so down to host an instance of that [08:58:27] fluxer actually came to mind just now [08:58:41] discord's sole primary purpose is still network effect really [08:58:43] [1/2] irc unfortunately is very sad [08:58:43] [2/2] but it's here, it's not going anywhere [08:59:20] I honestly can't see myself using irc, it has a high skill celling to use imo [08:59:22] problem I guess with fluxer and anything like that for here is you either have a three way bridge which is undesirable or you have a totally split space and we're not in the best spot for yet another space [08:59:32] And the fact you can leak your ip just from using it is a turnoff for me [08:59:46] but I'm definitely down to give fluxer the time, generally like it a lot more than stoat, matrix and the like [09:00:28] irc 3 and I suppose a well made masking system and a client that takes more cues from irccloud and discord than idk, the 1998 release of messenger, would not be a bad setup [09:00:38] if we grabbed a bunch of folks (hello gloopians? wmf? hell I'd even work with the devil himself) to give one big reason for people to switch? might just work [09:00:55] gloop wouldn't be enough [09:01:10] wmf plus fandom plus us add gloop and some others would be big and might just be enough [09:01:27] wmf alone could be it but getting anything of that scale would be a hard sell [09:02:00] [1/2] wmf also has the issue of being in like 732 different spaces [09:02:00] [2/2] then again they also use svn in some places so idk [09:02:06] especially if it's one project getting out of its lane, kind of a chicken and egg problem [09:02:22] well what you would likely end up with then is sure we use fluxer and then they have a random probably dead fluxer server on the side [09:03:08] the two ingredients really must be not just have a spot but make that spot desirable and primary up to just closing discord which is a very hard sell if you're not looking at say a more die hard foss project or something [09:03:45] and the moment of getting people to jump based on discord doing stupid shit has temporarily passed [09:03:58] there will be more occasions of course but they have to be taken up fast [09:04:47] [1/2] all we can really do is be ready for the next wave I suppose [09:04:47] [2/2] and the part is currently more stuck on actually having decent options [09:05:29] Don't tell me...fandom??? [09:06:41] fandom might sell your data but they haven't leaked your id and face just yet soooooo [09:06:53] Decent but could be better options* [09:07:05] a question then is what steps we'd like to take early to maybe jump on the occasion later [09:07:21] maybe an informal fluxer running in the background wouldn't hurt to have early [09:07:53] [1/2] exactly what I was thinking [09:07:54] [2/2] gotta be ready to set something up when it hits [09:08:05] and ofc hashing it out with some of our friends [09:08:10] it should be a transition too, lot messier trying to cold turkey with some drama [09:08:26] were you thinking straight on the self host camp or official server [09:08:53] ideally self-host, that's exactly how you'd avoid issues [09:09:21] the question then is reliable where and how [09:09:29] so it avoids the other issue category [09:09:58] 1 instance per wiki project, or maybe an instance dedicated to wiki projects and the like [09:10:32] federated login if that comes into question could make that question nicer to handle though I couldn't tell you how it might work in [09:10:55] good old login with mediawiki button [09:11:15] now in big bold text without the login form you don't want people to use front and center [09:30:16] hmm now i do wonder how expensive it'd be to host servers (a group of channels loosely speaking) for lets say 100 communities with i dunno 200 users each [09:31:57] obviously if we'd tried to host the main server for something like battlecats we'd die but i do wonder how many servers we could cram into the equivalent of one of our cloud servers [09:47:02] saying this like I haven't been procrastinating doing PHP for months [09:47:50] dont ask me about my consistency with long-term projects [09:52:56] don't ask me about my consistency with short-term projects [09:53:40] bonus points if you only do the ones that make you go "ooh shiny" [09:54:54] now how many months did [[help:javascript]] take me again [09:54:54]

[09:55:15] only 2 [09:55:18] like 9 [09:55:21] close enough [09:56:00] aint no stock market as volatile as my internal predictions for myself [09:58:54] [1/2] okay a better one: https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Battle_Cats_Wiki:Lua was created in 2022 (https://battle-cats.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Log?page=Battle+Cats+Wiki%3ALua) [09:58:54] [2/2] Completed in: March 2026 (https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Battle_Cats_Wiki:Lua?diff=prev&oldid=387176) [09:59:51] There was a notice at the top of the page calling it incomplete, and it was there for more than 3 years. it took me like 30 minutes to finish the entire thing [21:22:13] @thewwrnerdguy what do we do about those user pages that are written like [21:22:13] "John Doe is this this this and goes to this school and this this and etc etc etc and" and stuff like that. would that be a T@S thing or [21:30:06] I think because they gave information that implies they're under 18 then it falls under disallowed personal information disclosure, as in https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Disclosure_of_Personal_Data_on_Wikis [21:33:43] I don't know if a suppression request is necessary or if normal deletion is fine though [21:36:17] that's a TS matter, please make a report at reports.miraheze.org or by emailing ts@miraheze.org [21:40:44] @skye btw TS doesn't have an option for data disclosure, just reporting underage, so i'd suggest adding a button for that [21:41:02] Use reports [21:41:14] the email one you mean? [21:41:43] make a report instead of a DPA [21:41:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225560610628964423/1493365599181475985/image.png?ex=69deb498&is=69dd6318&hm=0812905edd57197cb1ba78a5fdffd575a1d7869829450a3b228dd64f60b4f09a& [21:41:59] (just for reference I've done the report already) [21:42:20] cheers [21:42:21] aw man that's why mine didn't seem to go through [21:42:25] no need to make a second one then