[00:29:55] wtach as fandom deletes the whole wiki [02:32:23] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462273385995305280/G-zrdPZWgAAHmy7.png?ex=696d97b6&is=696c4636&hm=ea88a549595da86f11221609c1f34314a904587fd9ac2fff0a1def141f8be723& [03:47:41] Toshiba [04:10:47] Nice try! [04:57:24] Yoshi [04:58:54] Fellow Augestonian [05:00:20] Fellow Augestonian!! [05:00:49] Mines on the 23rd hehe [05:01:01] 7th [08:16:53] I'm Nintendo Mario! [10:18:34] Sorry, posted on the wrong channel [10:32:55] I'm at an Illumineers concert in Adelaide tonight, very cool. They haven't started yet, they were supposed to twenty minutes ago. [12:51:35] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462429212400025610/static-assets-upload938872561674256700.webp?ex=696e28d6&is=696cd756&hm=4c1f8de154bb52454621cb137c13b61145e56c700036f1439487c2e7228ab43b& [13:23:09] [1/3] I found a praying mantis!!!!! [13:23:10] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462437158030934057/IMG_20260118_235152907.jpg?ex=696e303d&is=696cdebd&hm=aa617eb2691d84320e33cd2354944464b41d537b012b619ed869666a97893fcb& [13:23:10] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462437158533988454/IMG_20260118_235146959.jpg?ex=696e303d&is=696cdebd&hm=2c15e5af5a0e84d6479260acdc0ae2e97423326b4892d5e79138726e10c1b3a3& [13:23:50] [1/2] And there's a little black spider too. [13:23:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462437327946387517/IMG_20260118_235327990.jpg?ex=696e3065&is=696cdee5&hm=46d7cb42157ce2344be995de54314467010acecdf4887671238d996ffe704965& [13:25:29] @blankeclair @raidarr @notaracham ^ [13:25:33] Little sticky friend. [13:26:06] He got stuck in the spider web here, so I helped him get out of it, and he crawled away staring at me. [13:31:05] :3 [13:32:49] [1/2] Nice Mantis you have plus the spider [13:32:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462439587409559748/Giggler-vector-1.png?ex=696e3280&is=696ce100&hm=94c482cce439daa21b28000474dd4b74b98da7e8329dbb04d22984bf7799a553& [13:32:54] It's not praying though 🤭 [13:33:36] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462439788316721252/Tak_berjudul420_20260109183843.png?ex=696e32b0&is=696ce130&hm=fba936b4f7a76bcb58f6c218f83c461d5fcfba57a4d733dbd54c0c6436a8328f& [13:33:46] Adenyu :3 [13:48:22] It wes a Black Widdow :3 [13:48:48] Also known as a Red-back Spider in Australia. [13:49:09] When it got to the top of the bricks from the ground it was kinda. [13:54:24] [1/2] Waht white window? [13:54:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462445021671194736/ThinkingDoodleGuy.webp?ex=696e3790&is=696ce610&hm=8b32ecb86b86b82235510b06c70a9aefa7aba5bfef9474f6c1bf277bc7e5d964& [15:23:09] @f8ofthestars hey [15:23:23] i think you should advertise your server in #server-invites [15:34:51] [1/2] what is this bullshit [15:34:51] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462470299739095152/Screenshot_2026-01-18_103423.png?ex=696e4f1a&is=696cfd9a&hm=75aac7e7251e3a2acd2727f99c0ec6f54c6ef01a3abf37b0c815447f0326361a& [15:34:58] celeste i love you and hate you at the same time [15:36:42] okay that was easier than i though [15:38:04] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462471110212981038/Screenshot_20260117_201802_Discord.jpg?ex=696e4fdc&is=696cfe5c&hm=c6d49d3336589f4ffeeda34e9b0ac2bcfe91635321c8c4bdc3d35c02bea1dbcc& [15:38:09] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> Guys i won i got the king [15:38:19] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> (The rook and king somehow got swapped) [15:38:40] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> (But king got frozen on a square the png of it) [15:38:47] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> 🤠 [15:41:07] thats called castling [15:43:37] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> No i mean [15:43:42] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> The rook was moving like the king [15:43:57] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> And the king was moving like the rook but the king got frozen so the actual rook was just invisible [15:44:04] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> Ik what castling is [15:44:53] <.taylor_hernandez.sbg> It put a huge strain on me cause I had to guess where the rook was [15:54:30] [1/2] Neck section was RIGHT there and yet you chose front section (free item btw) [15:54:30] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462475244504875170/IMG_20260118_155544.jpg?ex=696e53b5&is=696d0235&hm=c7fb4923e7250f41868e526058d89fc8fd79e07f5da296a2f69d3c7d8fda643a& [15:59:27] The forsaken wiki going public has made this server so much more active I feel wow [16:00:30] A good chunk of it is people going "I can't make an account" tho lol [16:02:29] Whenever a Roblox game gets popular, we feel it [16:03:07] It was always popular [16:03:33] Whenever a Roblox game that’s popular gets a wiki on miraheeze* [16:03:36] They only just announced the wiki with an Announcement ping in a discord for 1.4 million people or something [16:03:47] Have y'all felt when an item went to the wrong section? [16:03:47] Jesus [16:03:48] The wiki existed for months [16:04:05] Wasn’t it only made public this month though? [16:04:05] I just touched miraheze and I already got banned [16:04:15] That's funny. [16:04:52] It was public, but not announced [16:05:01] Ahh [16:05:08] Collateral damage [16:05:34] How it's feel to get blocked for no reason and you have to wait for 4 month of innocence to get unblocked [16:06:26] staff are trying to help. It just happens sometimes [16:06:55] If it’s only 4 months that’s pretty good [16:07:15] Our routine blocks on VPNs and such usually go for a decade or smt [16:07:34] Well can you at least read my form [16:07:41] I need to join forsaken wiki server [16:07:44] if it's an ip thing then that's just normal pretty much and people are encouraged to use that form, at which point we will get to it [16:07:54] it may take a bit [16:07:54] If i try to relogin i will get blocked again [16:08:54] [1/2] Just let me log in to miraheze [16:08:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462478869230653440/1A152BB3-3EC0-4C75-8923-FAF2F06D2CD6.png?ex=696e5715&is=696d0595&hm=e516dba505f580fb57ed0ba8603f493c9ba19392c436687a6f8b99c94fd11e37& [16:09:22] I'm gonna have to wait until tomorrow to get my new account [16:09:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358085797385076736/376908733634183168/2017-10-28_23-53-10.gif [16:15:34] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462480546633482240/IMG_1007.jpg?ex=696e58a5&is=696d0725&hm=d26caca3ccf92da321663b4545c9ea5401db006226b499afad9087c332724a46& [17:29:08] another win for the wiki nation [17:29:29] :beebo_true: [17:30:57] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462499517864874145/image.png?ex=696e6a50&is=696d18d0&hm=8346d61e6d4b7e5bd11514bdaf360ccf09929da7c5ecd1581b2a5378c9974140& [17:41:07] Sheer prominence of Roblox always gets me by surprise [17:41:28] Folks like their blox. 🤷 [17:41:32] never underestimate millions of children [17:48:37] I also think group mentality and maturity levels come into play, I actually think this would be a great psychology research subject [17:58:22] 150 million daily logins [17:59:36] give me one roblox tiktoker and I will have the children radicalized in a week [18:00:21] i can make them believe in pluto as a planet [18:02:06] Hi [18:02:15] hi hello [18:08:08] We stan a cold icy dwarf at the edge of the local system [18:08:28] Hi [18:10:30] Hi [18:10:35] I’m a big Pluto enjoyer [18:10:48] It’s funny we named the smallest planet after the Roman god of death tho [18:11:10] i would also keep death tiny and far [18:23:00] Hi [18:24:16] Hi, there is no need to send "Hi" multiple times. [18:24:40] Please note that continuing such activity may be construed as spam. [18:28:03] Anyone know how to talk in the forsaken Wiki Server [18:29:27] Follow the instructions they've given and let them know if you run into any issues. [18:29:47] I can’t chat [18:30:11] I says I need to make account and I did [18:30:26] I believe they have a ticketing system if you are unable to verify. [18:30:34] Oh [18:30:36] Ok [18:30:37] Ty [18:57:40] Roblox wikis are like the India of the wiki world: they don't seem "relevant" in the surface, but in reality, they have a massive population [18:58:09] I’m friends with a lot of Indian people lol. [18:59:54] Cool [21:17:06] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462556431730475182/IMG_8710.png?ex=696e9f52&is=696d4dd2&hm=5f7bc323a905df456dd31eea4d07a9916de328043791f9243cc2de9139984883& [21:17:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462556432145580228/IMG_8711.png?ex=696e9f52&is=696d4dd2&hm=1cae982f1c6c34c8d9a7a842f5ae66a254943fd01c8f3dd0d47abebfb6ba2754& [21:17:11] web design is my passion [21:18:41] What in the geocities? šŸ˜„ [21:19:02] Fun stuff, glad you're continuing to expand that project [21:19:10] GeoCities-like websites are making a come back. [21:19:22] they're a lot of fun to make and browse. [21:20:03] <_chrs_> sweet design [21:20:03] True. Gets me nostalgic for a better/worse era on the internet now past. [21:20:50] Time to code a website that purposefully rate limits image load times to Dial Up speeds [21:21:05] Chonkin' in those line scans, bytes at a time [21:21:33] 13 hour page load speeds ftw [21:22:07] I think AOL actually only recently killed their Dial up service [21:22:11] I don't even think it's nostalgia I just think a lot of early-mid 2000s web design was just sorta better. One of the reasons why I love MW is it preserves a lot of that. (Fandom version not withstanding) [21:22:19] I had dial up well into the Obama administration. [21:22:25] forget exactly when we got rid of it [21:24:18] [1/2] i love this design! [21:24:19] [2/2] is the site certificate supposed to be invalid tho lol [21:33:44] uh [21:33:52] it is on the www subdomain only :P [21:33:59] can’t fix that [21:34:23] or I can but I’d have to fuck around with vhosts and I consider that a form of cruel and unusual punishment [21:34:35] any subdomain i should be using to share it around instead? [21:34:49] just remove the www [21:34:52] or use plain old http [21:34:55] i see [21:35:14] https://hit-counter.net like so [21:35:29] done, thanks [21:35:30] it's ok, you can violate the geneva convention, as a treat [21:35:59] eventual plans for how it will look [21:36:09] right now it’s just the previous placeholder page [21:36:16] but with a header and footer whacked on [21:36:33] Looks great [21:36:38] thanks! :) [21:36:56] the counter service itself is fully functional, you just have to do it manually as described on the site currently [21:39:19] [1/4] todo currently: [21:39:20] [2/4] - write pages for the sidebar [21:39:20] [3/4] - write counter code generator for the form to hook into [21:39:20] [4/4] - handle non-uniform width on counter graphics (maybe) [21:39:35] [1/12] ```php [21:39:36] [2/12] list($digitw, $digith) = getimagesize('./cimg/' . $dset . '/0.gif'); //get digit dimensions from current style - we don't have to worry about which digit we use, they should all be the same resolution (if they aren't, something's gone very wrong) [21:39:36] [3/12] $finalwidth = $digitw  $digits; //set the width of our final image to the digit width  no. of digits [21:39:36] [4/12] $finalimg = imagecreatetruecolor($finalwidth, $digith); //create our final counter image using our merged width and height [21:39:36] [5/12] imagesavealpha($finalimg, true); //enable transparency [21:39:37] [6/12] $transparent = imagecolorallocatealpha($finalimg, 0, 0, 0, 127); //define transparent color [21:39:37] [7/12] imagefill($finalimg, 0, 0, $transparent); //fill image with transparency [21:39:37] [8/12] foreach ($chars as $charno => $char) { //loop through all our characters [21:39:38] [9/12] $digit = imagecreatefromgif('./cimg/' . $dset . '/' . $char . '.gif'); //import the necessary gif image [21:39:38] [10/12] imagecopy($finalimg, $digit, $digitw  $charno, 0, 0, 0, $digitw, $digith); //for every time this runs, it will place the corresponding digit on our canvas at the digit width  the number that digit is in the array [21:39:38] [11/12] } //end loop [21:39:39] [12/12] ``` [21:39:58] this is how it does the image generation right now, the problem is that there are a few sets of graphics where the width differs between digits [21:40:09] after I sort all that out the service will be fully functional! [21:53:26] probably more original and creative, I wouldn't say better though. If I had to look at 2005 websites for hours every day I'd go mad. 2026 websites are maybe less interesting, but at least they're so boring I'm not going to start hating them [22:02:34] there's a lot to the early 2000s web paradigm that can go away but I do think we lost the plot by making everything a webapp with needless framework bling [22:03:52] part nostalgia, part appeal from ^, and part just seeing the trend of gross websites with billions of pull ins of ads and garbage and wanting a web that isn't literally creepily stalking you on every single mainstream website [22:17:08] yeah true, JavaScript was a mistake [22:18:06] <_chrs_, replying to thewwrnerdguy> see this is why we need to replace it with webassembly [22:18:09] <_chrs_> fully [22:18:10] <_chrs_> 100% [22:19:04] then they'll just compile javascript to wasm [22:20:11] I just like compact little menus with cute icons [22:25:12] [1/2] Hello, hru guys today [22:25:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462573566900965406/Tak_berjudul348_20251229182945.png?ex=696eaf47&is=696d5dc7&hm=53a28c38e31d31ec1bf1f81fcfb342fb4422d9f3dc0ca0680f0df4efa8d9d57a& [22:27:07] Not bad [22:28:31] [1/2] Ok [22:28:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462574401437306881/The_saviour.webp?ex=696eb00e&is=696d5e8e&hm=4facc224f992de5fd40e27c8d6955bfc918fa8859af3f1f4a4ff53811e44684f& [22:39:24] i never realized that kindergarten is just straight up taken from german without even adapting anything [22:39:47] Nope [22:40:03] Essentially yeah [22:41:21] it isn't to be confused with child gardens, where I grow a wide variety of children [22:42:50] šŸ¤” [22:42:56] chat should we be worried [22:42:59] Make sure to water regularly so they grow nice and tall. [22:43:43] Mandrake real [22:43:45] Yeah, I’m not so sure we need to continue that line of dicussion [22:44:33] Fair. I was trying to steer it towards surrealism, but just dropping it is probably better. [22:46:04] there's been some pushback against GMO lately--and sure--my children absorb more pesticide--maybe that's an issue for you, but the numbers don't lie. the flavor doesn't lie. There's so little information available for people just getting into child gardening. I think a place for proper documentation could be useful. Childgarden Wiki, anyone? [22:46:23] Yeah, no. [22:46:28] Full stop. [22:47:05] why do people not like mint choccy chip [22:47:14] I like mint chocolate chip [22:47:18] truly an underrated flavor [22:47:58] the ones saying its like toothpaste are eating the wrong brands [22:47:59] toothpaste [22:48:32] i'd believe it if someone said some of those brands are actually just using toothpaste in some form to get the flavor [22:48:54] i would hope not as those are abrasive [22:48:56] I stopped rinsing my mouth when brushing my teeth [22:48:59] to get more flouride [22:49:07] I mean, if they're both flavoured with mint I'd be more surprised if they didn't taste similar. [22:49:12] water companies hate this one simple trick [22:49:52] I'm thinking if I chilled my toothpaste I could pretend it is mint ice cream and get even more flouride [22:50:35] Chat: your unfortunate and infrequent reminder that it isn't a good idea to eat things that aren't food. [22:50:51] I've become a coffee ice cream person lately [22:51:48] Toothpaste Consumption Wiki, anyone? [22:52:04] 😭 [22:52:41] i wonder how the ai would react to that request [22:53:39] Likely decline [22:54:24] 1984 [22:56:36] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to notaracham> datta good rule tho [22:56:56] Even if they're exciting glowing metal things, like delicious uranium? [22:57:07] Yes [22:57:19] There's a reason you'll be fed til the end of your life. [22:57:25] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> GMO foods are fine to eat bee tee dubs [22:57:28] For legal reasons, please don't eat uranium. [22:57:44] Are these Glaggles by chance? [22:58:10] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to 11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Just like that quote unquote "3d printed meat"/clone meat that so many people are up in arms about these days. It's just meat. [22:58:27] who cares about the law? itll give me all the calories i need for the rest of my life! [22:58:54] fun fact various brands of parmesan cheese have been found to contain up to 10% cellulose (primarily what paper is just in a different form) [22:59:26] Cellulose is just a normal plant compound. [22:59:35] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> I don't get why people would think clone meat has some weird stuff going on. The one argument I hear is "it's not NATURALLY made", except it totally is. They clone two animals, make those two clones mate and then they turn the offspring into meat. So yes, the parents are cloned, but the meat you're eating is real meat made by real natural animal getting-it-on [22:59:52] Parmesan is made of milk, the mammal eats grass. I'd be surprised if it didn't. [23:00:20] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to sakurababochka> This is true too. Just another instance of uneducated people thinking they know more than they actually do [23:00:21] [1/2] yeah in like trace amounts maybe [23:00:21] [2/2] 10% tho [23:00:43] :( [23:00:44] [1/2] I like how each of the built-in Phorge avatars are of PokĆ©mon. [23:00:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462582513326358630/image.png?ex=696eb79c&is=696d661c&hm=0ea8381ea631889f782d6d26edb817ee345f247e7bc1134a8ec7a5c8cfe0e391& [23:00:55] who's that pokemon [23:01:05] [1/2] Unsure on what the unlabelled one is; might have seen it before? [23:01:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462582597665296578/image.png?ex=696eb7b0&is=696d6630&hm=ef76f39773a7d749e9e7dba99c8bb485cbb309c1ac28d75234d0c4aa675072fe& [23:01:10] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to pskyechology> # IT'S PIKACHUUUU [23:01:22] "It's... Clefairy!" [23:01:32] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to icy_guidance> # FUUUUUUUU [23:01:48] iconic :> [23:02:29] anyways "good" "segue" to say i used to eat paper [23:02:52] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to icy_guidance> It's one of those electric rat Pikachu knockoffs from a later gen I think [23:03:50] Not actually true. If you ever eat salad, it'll have a much higher plant matter content and you won't have an adverse reaction. [23:04:04] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to 11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Pachirisu? [23:04:25] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462583438732427521/Pika_family_update.webp?ex=696eb879&is=696d66f9&hm=7377261e61f8ace3ee79bac6e1c08b4d57ec67593216e7979cc5406d840086b4& [23:04:30] Unlabeled is pachurisu, ye. [23:04:50] i'll take your word for it my bad [23:04:50] Aha! [23:05:39] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> If there's one thing I'm tired of on this planet, it's the rise of purposeful misinformation and the rise of stupid-ass conspiracy theories being seen as legitimate information [23:05:58] It is actually pretty clever for the blank avatars to be PokĆ©mon; usually, websites just opt for silhouettes of people, or just the first letter in one's username. [23:06:57] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> My parents are 60 and 67 and they get all their info from Facebook posts and it's all they ever talk about. I won't get into what specifically they're reading and taking as gospel because it's politics related, but suffice to say I had to sneak onto my father's cellphone and remove him from a Canadian Nationalist group. [23:07:43] [1/3] 67 [23:07:43] [2/3] my dad is addicted to ai pseudohistory youtube [23:07:44] [3/3] ancient aliens and all that [23:07:48] could be a lot worse [23:07:59] my father is also addicted to ancient aliens and pseduohistory youtube [23:08:03] perhaps we have the same father unknowingly [23:08:10] that would be a shock [23:08:12] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> It's funny that the tables turned from them telling me and my sister as kids "don't believe everything you read on the internet" to them now believing everything they read on Facebook [23:08:36] wiki request bot did not care for toothpaste consumption wiki [23:08:48] rest in piece [23:08:49] Not surprised. [23:09:06] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> And when I question who they're getting their info from, they say "it's an expert on youtube", which turns out to be some uneducated f'in goof on youtube with 0 qualifications. Or my dad's favorite go-to when I disprove the politics shit he believes in: "follow the money" [23:09:41] I tried to use lots of flowery language about the importance of safety and proper documentation of an otherwise dangerous practice but it was predictably pointless [23:09:42] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to jamman217> Try toothpaste cooking wiki [23:10:08] bleak [23:10:33] getting blocked for a week due to repeated denied request is probably not a desirable outcome [23:10:45] Unfortunately there're a lot of people who find it convenient to be 'experts'. [23:11:00] Also just a general waste of everyone's time. [23:11:28] that being said i am now finding the toothpaste consumption wiki request because i want to see the robots response [23:11:39] Fair [23:12:15] i do not think it happened [23:12:59] nevermind the queue is sorted by oldest first [23:14:05] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [1/9] I've taken some measures to quell the amount of "destroying woke libs" type content my parents consume, like: [23:14:05] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [2/9] - changing their yt country to Zimbabwe on their smart TV so there isn't a News feed on the home page. [23:14:05] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [3/9] - logging into their shared YT on my phone to Do Not Recommend This Channel a ton of recommended stuff [23:14:06] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [4/9] - unsubscribing them from stupid yt channels [23:14:06] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [5/9] - doing the "hide all posts from this page" on their Facebook feeds to minimize the amount of nonsense they read [23:14:06] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [6/9] - switched off a Facebook setting that determines whether or not to recommend political content [23:14:07] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [7/9] - also disabled showing sensitive content [23:14:07] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [8/9] - manually removing them from any dumbass groups they join [23:14:07] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [9/9] They still occasionally find stuff, but it's not as bad as it was like during that dumbass freedom convoy where they spent an entire week watching nothing but trucker livestreams [23:14:08] [1/2] [[Special:Log/farmer]] [23:14:08] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log/farmer [23:14:08] [2/2] Although please don't make silly requests [23:14:08] [23:14:18] we love the double bot response [23:14:18] [1/2] mildly impressed (i have little faith in the AI) [23:14:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462585926852153528/e70d6f3635e00912bfb59ab1b29895e8.png?ex=696ebaca&is=696d694a&hm=733302f6b6cdb75dc11c2be1a9c8e27d0ade0916512543855670e226ad747c4e& [23:15:19] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> [[Bum]] [23:15:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Bum [23:15:20] [23:15:31] it's deliberately made to only approve clear-cut places and only look at a request once [23:16:28] [[Requests for Comment/CreateWiki AI & Wiki Reviewers RfC]] [23:16:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/CreateWiki_AI_%26_Wiki_Reviewers_RfC [23:16:29] [23:16:30] is there a situation where it passes it on to a human? i haven't been looking too much but haven't seen it do that yet [23:16:55] if the first pass fails then it passes onto humans (i.e. it will only respond to requests once) [23:17:02] oh i see [23:17:05] thank you very informative [23:17:05] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> ew, AI [23:17:09] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> why use AI [23:17:26] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Pretty well known at this point that AI is anything but intelligent [23:17:34] if only there were an entire rfc where users involved explain in great detail why they want to use ai [23:17:35] Createwiki AI is actually decent. [23:18:02] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to thewwrnerdguy> I read it, I don't think anyone who participated in that took more than a second to think about it, but that's my 2 cents [23:18:16] That's general purpose AI, createwiki is a specialised model so it's more reliable at the cost of being less useful for anything else. [23:18:42] I really don't think it's possible to read the entire thing in 2 minutes [23:18:56] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> You underestimate my reading ability my good man [23:19:08] Given that most of its job is just to pass things on anyway, there's not very much it can get wrong anyway. [23:19:21] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462587195775914195/image0.gif?ex=696ebbf9&is=696d6a79&hm=f76a4dc414d6182557dab8f158a5fe403ef6dccbeb911a993cc38ae5b1438259& [23:23:20] [1/2] im not the biggest fan either but as far as i can tell the reasons given in the RfC seem reasonable enough [23:23:21] [2/2] i hope that in-house model comes along well enough for use or a different solution presents itself at some point in the near future [23:24:03] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Eventually one day you'll request a wiki and CreateWiki will just create the entire wiki for you, content and all :steveokek: [23:24:36] No. [23:24:38] lol sure hope not [23:24:41] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> aw :< [23:24:42] hey that's what Fandom is doing [23:24:57] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to thewwrnerdguy> wikia/fandom SUCKS [23:25:03] Never has a better reason to not do it been said. [23:26:14] but it's AI! it's the future! [23:26:33] coding will be dead in 6 months because of AI [23:26:49] i hope the only future it sees is one in a grave [23:27:01] trust me, you just need this new model that costs 300 dollars per month [23:28:10] If I had 300 dollars per minute I'd go and do something useful with it. [23:28:33] investing I hope, easy duplication glitch [23:28:54] soon you will own the world [23:31:13] [1/6] predictions: [23:31:13] [2/6] - ai bubble will pop [23:31:13] [3/6] - this won't be a good thing for us [23:31:14] [4/6] - ai will still be around to misinform your somewhat old relatives [23:31:14] [5/6] - any affected prices (GPU for example) will not drop at all [23:31:14] [6/6] - various ais integrated with corporations and stuff (windows) will progressively become depreciated or be removed as they move onto the next big thing to add (it may or may not be worse) [23:33:55] [1/3] i dont know enough about coding or other jobs/hobbies that have been affected by it to really guess what would happen there [23:33:56] [2/3] probably still used in some capacity in places [23:33:56] [3/3] maybe less often as big datacenters probably won't be viable(?) (i can hope) [23:36:07] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> I don't want to live on this planet anymore [23:36:21] i am sorry to hear that [23:37:27] I will live on Mars if global warming continues and no government cares about it [23:38:27] We lack a viable, affordable, and habitable alternative. And given that all the problems are caused by people anyway, it mightn't necessarily help even if there were. [23:38:39] Mars is definitely less habitable. [23:38:46] We do have a planet b, and it's mars [23:39:14] oh absolutely [23:39:16] The planet with no magnetic field, atmosphere, or internal heat source? [23:39:17] Other planets have a 0% chance of living and mars has 0.1111118179% [23:39:20] Good luck with that. [23:39:26] things back then had character, you could tell there was love and effort put into them [23:39:30] now they’re all just [23:39:32] bland [23:39:34] Bunkers laughing in the corner [23:39:57] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> I want to live on Uranus [23:40:03] Good luck building one of those at a cost that anyone can afford. [23:40:04] if we cannot save this planet then i doubt we could make another very livable just yet [23:40:19] No air [23:40:25] I would live on Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune. [23:40:28] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Want an easy cheap bunker? Find an old abandoned mineshaft and live there [23:40:37] Humans can turn impossible to possible [23:40:40] That's the smallest problem mars has. [23:41:25] still haven't found a cure to cancer [23:41:36] oh yeah i fucking hate the createwiki ai [23:41:47] it does nothing to improve the process [23:41:56] I choose mars [23:42:00] wdym [23:42:03] I objected to it when it was first introduced [23:42:19] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> I object to it now :steveokek: [23:42:22] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> remove it lol [23:42:29] would you like to sell your soul to the neverending wheels of wikireview [23:42:31] Governments only meet if global warming becomes so bad like in 1989 or so I guess [23:42:37] I’m just gonna sit back and let it come back to bite them, as it inevitably will [23:43:00] I will review wikis if it means we get rid of the AI bullshit [23:43:06] how’s about that [23:43:13] It can't bite if they can just press the comically laarge "DESTROY CREATEWIKI AI" button [23:43:18] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> One of these days CreateWiki is gonna delete the entire Miraheze db and go "oopsy poopsy I sowwy I deweeted yow dee bee tee hee" [23:43:24] great we just need like 10 active reviewers and we barely have 2 [23:43:27] oh absolutely [23:43:38] Long lines of in review wikis is just a headache, the ai was made to make work easier [23:43:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358085797385076736/376908733634183168/2017-10-28_23-53-10.gif [23:43:51] but it… doesnt do that? [23:43:54] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to pskyechology> There's a thing you could've done, it's quite revolutionary. It's called "put out a request for applicants" [23:43:58] it does not have more access than that, I would kill people if it did [23:44:08] it just goes ā€œyesā€ or ā€œnoā€ and then an admin still has to approve that [23:44:15] it’s just another step in the process [23:44:22] idk it approved my 2000AD wiki in like 5 seconds. [23:44:33] and it was editable after that 5 seconds. [23:44:35] ok that’s even worse [23:44:36] "yes" means we dont waste human time on it [23:44:48] Its actually just an API, it doesnt have access to anything beyond requests [23:44:50] It took 6 days for mine to be approved [23:44:50] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to amelialoveheart> And yet it denied the toothpaste consumption wiki, what bullshit is that [23:44:59] because that means no one’s monitoring what it does [23:45:05] -# what the hell is that name [23:45:07] Wth is that wiki about šŸ’€ [23:45:18] about what it sounds like [23:45:26] all I’m saying is someday this thing is gonna do some bullshit that takes more effort than it’s worth to clean up [23:45:28] Actually we do sometimes [23:45:35] don’t say I didn’t warn you [23:45:50] Like what [23:46:28] not to mention we’re dealing with [all this shit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impacts_of_AI) [23:46:36] [1/3] little known fact john miraheze actually has a big old red button with "destroy the miraheze wikifarm" written in big white text on it on his desk [23:46:37] [2/3] it only takes them accidentally knocking over a mug [23:46:37] [3/3] same deal with john wikia (renamed john fandom after a marriage) and the other guy [23:46:43] I think you are more than welcome to put your money where you mouth is. I'd easily support your request [23:47:04] in what way [23:47:05] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Didn't some former admin or something nearly kill Miraheze a few years ago? [23:47:07] Well I found the request for toothpaste consumption wiki https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/73286 [23:47:15] yes [23:47:16] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to 11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Nale-something [23:47:18] wiki reviewer [23:47:18] becoming a reviewer? [23:47:21] yea [23:47:22] Some things are best left in the past [23:47:27] fuckin sure [23:47:33] I’ll pitch in when I can [23:47:41] Not him no, and we are NOT rehashing it [23:47:45] I agree with the AI here. [23:47:46] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to bartomelow> I worked with that guy on other projects [23:47:51] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> What a chode [23:48:34] The request is fricking hila4ious [23:48:37] is there like a form I have to fill out [23:48:39] or [23:48:51] That's a term I have just found about its existence [23:48:53] Thanks [23:49:00] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to bigraduate123> #makethetoothpasteconsumptionwikireal [23:49:03] and also yeah just like [23:49:27] going on fedi and saying ā€œyo we need wiki reviewersā€ would probably be a more viable strategy than creating an LLM [23:49:45] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to bartomelow> you're welcies :steveokek: [23:49:45] god damn you really want me to make a fedi huh lol [23:49:48] What the hell is fedi [23:49:56] Masodon and stuff [23:50:01] no I mean like from the fuckin uh [23:50:03] oh [23:50:08] official Miraheze account [23:50:23] dont tell anyone that it is a ghost town [23:50:24] I have barely seen that account be used lmao [23:50:27] we dont have a funny twitter guy [23:50:30] I've also been considering becoming a wiki reviewer tbh. [23:50:38] unrelated to this [23:50:43] me 2 [23:50:44] well you should get one [23:50:53] RAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MORE REVIWERS FOR THE REVIEWER THRONE [23:50:58] though i would fail instantly cause im, horrible at paragraphs [23:51:01] I’ve been on Miraheze for 9 years, introducing the AI to assist with reviews is the best thing we could of done, theres only handful of human Wiki Reviewers, we would backlogged for months without it [23:51:06] honestly yeah go ahead and at least try the review process out [23:51:22] again, did you try just putting out a wanted message [23:51:32] lol [23:51:38] We quite literally to this day still ask for volunteers [23:51:53] the problem is expertise [23:51:55] i think the issue with that is that we need some level of trust [23:52:02] Anyway where do I sign up at? [23:52:14] you can teach a dog policies if need be [23:52:16] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Where can one apply to become a Miraheze Thanos in charge of snapping a finger and deleting a wiki from existence [23:52:29] sorry that's skye's job [23:52:43] i, for one, have no issues trust groupnebula and amelia, but i am afraid the rest may not share my vision [23:52:46] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to bartomelow> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1462595604990394419/image0.gif?ex=696ec3cd&is=696d724d&hm=b36fd22f830ce7546c71f76084aac0915380a39f5340161a2231fd0516c2d063& [23:52:46] or is skye's job exploding miraheze [23:52:50] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> My job now [23:53:07] Wow skate i wouldn't let him go away that easily [23:53:09] https://wikis.world/share?text=We%27re%20looking%20for%20wiki%20reviewers!%20Please%20reach%20out%20if%20you%27re%20interested! <—handy link [23:53:11] skye* [23:53:28] that’s true, it would need to go through RfC and such [23:53:46] but still anything’s better than AI [23:53:48] the traditional method of new reviewers is via [[RfP]] [23:53:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/RfP [23:53:48] [23:54:02] but there is an option for steward appointment [23:54:08] ah [23:54:17] but I digress [23:54:39] the only place I’ve seen volunteers requested is in this server and maybe sometimes the meta wiki [23:54:43] how many WR are there [23:54:44] [1/2] when im more confident in my knowledge of just miraheze in general maybe i should see about volunteering in some way [23:54:45] [2/2] i like this place a lot [23:54:45] I can ask the stewards if they'd be interested in considering appointment. Last that happened I think they had people fill out some questions about reviewing. [23:55:09] I think if you started putting those messages out on social media and such you’d get far more engagement [23:55:17] it's a vicious cycle, you probably were/are missing all the "how long it takes gor review" messages (sometime getting rather angry), especially back when we didn't have AI review [23:55:25] Not counting stewards, I think only like 4-5 of us [23:55:51] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> I would be the worst volunteer because I'd likely set up a macro to auto accept any new wiki requests :steveokek: [23:56:14] I think that if someone’s complaining about review times for an understaffed volunteer wiki farm that’s what we in the business call a ā€œskill issueā€ [23:56:27] seriously learn fucking patience [23:56:33] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Has anyone actually complained about the times? [23:56:40] meanwhile miraheze has grew in demand [23:56:43] https://tenor.com/view/asian-girl-brick-brick-throw-kill-gif-25574003 [23:56:51] everyone complains about the times for everything around here [23:56:56] we can only ask for patience constantly [23:57:03] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol, replying to bartomelow> ow :< [23:57:10] ngl it gets draining on all volunteers [23:57:23] honestly I think we just need a ā€œbe patient or we fucking ban youā€ clause in the rules [23:57:42] just like a ā€œbe respectful towards volunteersā€ rule or whatever [23:57:46] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Oh shit we can fucking swear in here? [23:58:06] I have unleashed a great evil upon this world. [23:58:09] (/j) [23:58:11] Yes, prior to the AI we would have backlogs going back weeks to months, thats very draining and quick to burn out. With the AI we don’t generally have that issue as much anymore preventing burn out. [23:58:14] me when I appeal to the average user too hard and end up appealing to the AIverlords [23:58:24] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Are there any no-no curses? Like would anyone be offended if I were to drop an Aussie c-bomb? [23:58:39] uh [23:58:44] no slurs ofc [23:58:50] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> By which I mean ||cunt|| [23:59:02] he says as we're actively carried by 2/14 wiki reviewers including those in other positions [23:59:03] but I digress [23:59:12] Exactly [23:59:17] I see how the AI can be uh… ā€œusefulā€ maybe [23:59:35] that's what AI should be used for [23:59:40] but it’s very much a temporary fix and not something we ought to be relying on or getting comfortable with [23:59:48] <11.hydroxy.tetrahydrocannibinol> Where do i apply to volunteer to reviewer things [23:59:54] Pray