[01:03:35] Here on the Pacific Coast we have to wait our turn for the change of the year. When the big ball in New York drops it’s only 9 PM here [02:34:32] bye chat [03:31:09] Are you okay? [05:03:23] Happy New Year (EST) [05:07:52] "wow this wiki is so nice" and then they open preferences and see the montrosity of unstyled cologne blue [05:29:47] [1/2] Ngl but a movie adaptation of Sonic 2006 would've fared better than the game it's based on considering that the game launched with tons of bugs [05:29:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1456157438054105171/image.png?ex=695757cb&is=6956064b&hm=7cc33c57f221ef7c86ede513234af5268a3deb057e6849cda607b8fc636a601e& [06:37:00] miraheze really needs it's own skin, like fandom, with lots of color settings [07:05:29] We'll make our own skin, with blackjacks and hookers! [08:05:16] i think it would be pretty neat if miraheze had it's own skin tbh [08:06:07] Happy new year btw [09:50:27] Eh, not really [09:50:39] wiki.gg does just fine with their modified version of vector [09:52:14] Would be cool if Miraheze could have something like that, or at least some default css selectors to start with in vector.css and then change some stuff from there [11:11:41] not a maintenance burden that would be wise for miraheze to officially sign up for, although there are techies mainly affiliated with miraheze who already make skins and more. Cosmos is cosmicalpha's work, as are a handful of other things, so indirectly we do this already to the extent that's fair [11:12:09] otherwise there is a steep backlog of more pressing things miraheze would like to develop like automation of certain common requests or a better handle on wikis that are primarily nsfw in scope [14:34:51] Cookie Run Wiki set are going out of Fandoom [14:35:03] https://cookierunkingdom.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000858464 [14:46:45] Did they say where? [14:47:32] Not in this notice, but since I'm helping them consulting, we are moving to ABXY (StrategyWiki) [14:52:04] Just for some fun fact, we had contacted Weird Gloop before, and even getting them to meets the folks from Devsisters - but $35.000/year for the folks from Devsisters are worth buying 300 Nintendo Switches than supporting an independent wiki [14:56:05] What? [14:56:55] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1456300160744427560/g.png?ex=6957dcb7&is=69568b37&hm=e63de9d506dd0331a1cc55560a777c9fac26111c64b4b92682f51f0eb6a359b3& [14:57:19] Jesus Christ [14:57:26] NS 2s [15:11:56] wha [15:12:08] you mean official dev support to host wiki? [15:12:17] y e s [15:12:45] so real independence then [15:14:30] congrats on community [15:14:46] let the fork be smooth [15:14:47] weird gloop wanted to charge 35k a year? the statement is confusing [15:16:00] I missed that that was thousands, good I hate for dot for that [15:16:07] Makes more sense now [15:16:43] dot? [15:17:26] Period [15:17:30] Whatever [15:17:45] 20.000 for twenty thousand [15:18:40] I will think it makes no sense [15:19:12] They said it was for "maintenance fee" + buying out the ad spaces [15:19:45] Buying out ad spaces? [15:20:21] a.k.a remove ads [15:20:35] they have ads option?.... [15:20:49] I mean, for community wikis, yea... [15:21:01] does mc wiki has them? [15:21:14] i never noticed [15:21:18] I think they did, but not very much [15:21:36] In fact only on their fundrasing period ig [15:22:23] You would never see ads on official wikis such as LoL and 2XKO [15:24:55] Right, so it was weird gloop who wanted 30k? [15:26:28] :Yes: [15:26:34] thats absurd [16:01:13] To be fair official wiki with that price is almost nothing [16:23:34] depends on revenue probably [16:23:42] like for LoL that's pocket change [16:24:04] idk about crk [16:42:16] You probly could get yourself a good VDS for maybe £1000 a year and it would be all yours [16:43:10] [1/2] 64GB 16 Dedicated Cores 1600GB 60TB $320/mo ($0.476/hr) - RamNode [16:43:11] [2/2] https://ramnode.com/pricing [16:43:17] Well weird gloop has orettt strong advantage beyond that [16:44:10] Their ecosystem, optimization, experience with SEO, full time staff, taking care of the legal and icky stuff, etc [16:44:47] But 35K doesn’t seem right at all [16:45:18] Well, if they have to pay for staff and server and legal and all the other company stuff, with how many wikis they have, maybe..? I don’t know [16:45:50] Minecraft wiki definitely isn’t paying that, mojang certainly isn’t forking the cash [16:46:02] But Block & Quill probably has some other type of deal [16:47:45] Unless you have a really small wiki it won't be a problem [16:48:38] Otherwise you have to deal with way more stuff like CDN and many other stuffs [16:49:41] If you have a big wiki there will be much more problems like CDN and optimizations [16:49:47] True [16:50:04] Weird Gloop are really good at optimization [16:50:11] And they upstream a lot of stuff [17:12:42] None of that is costing 35k a year. That's an entire salary. [17:14:24] Depends on the country [17:15:02] Even in the United States there are plenty of communities were the median yearly income is less than that [17:16:08] That’s depressing [17:21:28] Really is. [17:23:24] i dont know why someone would spend 35k usd on a wiki [17:24:21] It would be for an organization not an individual but it still seems pretty steep. [17:25:13] yearly too [17:25:19] yeah [19:01:08] I know CF do cost a lot when you break 1TB traffic [19:40:59] I would probly just use CloudFlare as a CDN [20:50:05] Can confirm for Vampire Survivors and Balatro too [20:50:14] (The latter isn't even official) [20:52:17] That 35k should go to Wikipedia [20:53:25] Or give a large portion of it to Wikipedia and the rest to some independent wikis [20:54:06] Ahem [20:54:27] Oh yeah [20:54:28] :Miraheze: [20:54:31] I totally forgot [20:54:34] Wth [20:54:49] I totally forgot Miraheze runs on donations [20:54:49] oh i would love to see 35k go towards advertising miraheze on fandom [20:55:08] Frankly Wikipedia isn’t nearly in desperate need of funds as they make you think [20:55:18] They still use em but [20:55:22] we should rob their bank accounts :3 [20:55:26] They’ll be fine [20:55:27] Noooo [20:55:43] mooooom may i have a small grant of 10 thousand dollaridoos [20:55:47] That's probably gonna get removed immediately, depending on how it is advertised [20:56:17] Gonna have a foundation employee bust down my door and send me to /dev/null/ [20:56:17] Like they'll take the 35k, advertise it for 1 sec, then remove it lol [20:56:22] I run my wiki off part of my benifits [20:56:40] Ok then [20:56:48] 5k for wikipedia [20:56:53] 5k for independent wikis [20:56:56] 25k for Miraheze [20:57:19] If I had 5k, I could buy proper VPSes and hire writers with a real budget [20:57:42] I mean, if I can scrape together £25 I could buy myself a Swiss VPS [20:57:45] miraheze isn't independent 😔 foiled by the content policy once again 😔 [20:58:12] Miraheze probly would need maybe £50k at lest if they wanted a full time sysadmin [20:58:28] Depends if you want to use Fiverr or Discord to hire vs a proper way [20:58:40] dont worry we also have a thing called human rights violations to lower that amount [20:59:04] Turns out Discord users will work cheap but you may need to filter out 30-40 clowns per real app [20:59:04] Just pay a bit above minimum wage [20:59:15] Like $10 per hour [20:59:32] All the so-called 5-year experience entry tech jobs are like this [20:59:33] if i got paid minimum wage i could get more benefits solely based on that [20:59:36] If all esle fails, probly could find a skilled Indian or Pakistaini do to this [21:00:11] But if you wanted to hire in UK/US sadly people want like $15 or £15 an hour [21:00:40] Weird Gloop is still awesome and should get money tho [21:01:40] [1/2] 20k for miraheze [21:01:40] [2/2] 5k for weird gloop [21:02:00] Miraheze should get at lest £100k so they can hire a full time syadmin or two [21:02:45] Probly could get two mid levelsysadmins for 100k a year [21:03:00] We've been doing fine with ppl doing it for free tho [21:03:11] I mean a "IF" Miraheze got that much [21:03:27] honestly i'd first hire someone on the legal/TS side [21:03:56] Why? [21:05:12] we can do well enough on the tech side of things without a paid worker, but we'd definitely need someone on the legal side to work out a few things to make sure we dont explode in the long run [21:16:16] that threw me for a second, forgot the us's minimum wage is that low [21:16:38] [1/2] Ngl but It's strange that this show had both an episode with a lesbian couple & an episode about a Muslim kid despite the fact that Muslims hate LGBT. But then again the liberal left likes trying to pander to both, as we’ve seen especially in the last few years [21:16:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1456395720096612494/latest.png?ex=695835b6&is=6956e436&hm=d0c059b05d20cce01cfc4bd86a4ddb93edb00f91c514716fece4d4b467988e6e& [21:17:21] oh no how dare they talk about groups of people that exist [21:17:31] what [21:18:19] Look, it's not that I hate Muslims & all, just that I hate Sharia Law [21:18:44] way to go to crash a convo [21:18:52] sorry [21:20:27] and some people finna charge 35k lmao [21:21:19] [1/2] forgive me but there's a little bit of suspicion that arises when someone with 9 messages suddenly says "But then again the liberal left likes trying to pander to both, as we’ve seen especially in the last few years" [21:21:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1456396896238305495/image.png?ex=695836ce&is=6956e54e&hm=ab2082792826bd7551562869b99ca3634b7fa021fabb1f610c9078a9d2047f4d& [21:22:14] wdym? I'm not even doing anything wrong [21:23:33] it's a rather strange non-sequitur [21:24:03] Oh, ok [21:24:32] Also like it’s a huge generalization to say everyone from a religion thinks the same way. [21:24:53] right [21:27:02] sue them in court :D [21:32:41] that would cost more money [21:32:59] and thats why we need someone on the legal side [21:33:18] we need someone who has already found out, we cant afford to fuck around that much [21:34:07] anyway I can't wait for us to be able to genuinely take fandom on [21:34:34] make an account, call the account "fandom", fuck around on the "fandom" account, then legally it was fandom fucking around so Miraheze is completely absolved of any guilt [21:34:38] easy [21:34:57] I disagree, and heres why, you can have someone with legal knowledge, but it you don’t have the budget behind it to actually action on things they would need done (consistently at least), then you are sinking money into something that really won’t benefit you. [21:35:46] be like Oracle with 2 engineers and 800,000 lawyers [21:35:48] ok even better we should get pay someone to get us more money [21:36:00] interest [21:36:03] for that we're just gonna need more money [21:36:08] give me your wallet [21:36:09] i think we're alr doing that [21:36:10] Miraheze Loan Department [21:36:29] we should get into the real estate market [21:36:48] Thats actually more risky [21:36:52] what would a wiki house look like [21:36:55] 35k's probably enough to buy a politician who can then give miraheze a government grant or something [21:37:04] then you can buy more politicians [21:37:07] infinite money farm [21:37:12] Try 335k [21:37:18] sup, department of defense? can we have a bit of that military industrial complex? [21:37:29] We have NATO [21:37:35] Just saying [21:37:37] buy NATO [21:37:40] some nerds in NATO* [21:37:54] rio pact is cooler [21:37:57] they got the most boring part of CCDCOE [21:38:10] maybe anzus [21:38:12] Needs longer acronym [21:38:53] shit im not sure about any alliance abbreviations longerr than anzus [21:38:55] or aukus [21:39:03] if you wanna get real official i guess the official designation would be NATO CCDCOE CLT [21:39:11] I still laugh at the fact that NATO uses as a host and has for almost the entire length (if not the entire length) that I’ve been on Miraheze [21:39:29] wait really? [21:39:33] Mmhmm [21:39:37] i need a link 🙏 [21:39:44] Its like cyberlaw something [21:39:52] https://cyberlaw.ccdcoe.org/ [21:40:35] lmao [21:41:30] Yep since 2018 [21:41:42] we are like the only farm who can say we have a literal defence alliance using us [21:42:08] I think we have a couple other governments that use us for random things to but dont quote me [21:42:24] when north korea /s [21:42:43] When North Korea can access the internet for real [21:43:11] i dont think our content policy even forbids north korea from using our service [21:43:25] Scot gov had a wiki with us but I think they left [21:43:31] awh [21:43:46] what do you mean? our great holy divine and great god leader kim jong un has created the most amazing free internet ever! [21:43:53] No North Korea’s content policy does 🤣 [21:44:50] No country has free internet, sooo [21:45:11] I mean I'd like to have a word with whichever person signed that off [21:45:15] Not at us [21:45:19]