[01:10:43] https://www.officeworks.com.au/shop/officeworks/p/comsol-77w-usb-c-laptop-charger-couc77cab [01:10:48] mmm, laptop charger with usb a out [03:34:32] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baheMe5UJfk [17:27:00] <7gardien77tombeau7> The hell i am this server anyway.. [17:28:59] wiki [17:32:39] https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212 [17:36:10] wiki [17:42:52] wiki [18:13:41] wiki [18:22:08] wiki [18:29:07] wiki [19:05:26] uiki? [19:10:13] get out [19:10:46] try tiki tho i would love a tiki bar [19:11:29] Huh, FANDOM W ngl [19:12:00] we're rolling out several new ads for users [19:13:19] I get what the joke is supposed to be but it’s not really funny in this case [19:14:36] i was being evil and bad faithed not funny [19:18:55] [1/2] @originalauthority i couldn't add the screenshot to telepedia's server. but i still cannot send you any messages [19:18:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1448031174873190520/Screenshot_72.png?ex=6939c79f&is=6938761f&hm=f0fc488a882651b674e95d79ffb64318530120f25ad8f6a2ca6fe98d9bcbfc50& [19:19:20] Yeah I can't open my DMs because I haven't proven my age one second [19:19:30] oh god [19:19:36] age verification [19:19:38] for messages? [19:19:50] indeed we are 1984 [19:19:51] That did extract a guffaw out of me. Goddamn OSA nonsense [19:20:25] Sorry to my EU/UK folks who are dealing with that nonsense, I suspect we're not long for being free of it either. [19:21:08] Well I did have it on open before and they never asked for it, now I set it to private I can't unprivate it again [19:21:15] And discord is definitely not having a copy of my Id [19:21:34] Could go the ol' sam porter bridges route and use a game facescan. 😄 [19:22:02] this is just like Roblox lmao [19:22:12] return to IRC [19:23:51] Next year, if one wants to talk they have to provide either their ID or a screenshot of their facr [19:23:57] ... Which I'm not doing [19:24:12] Would WMF be appealing their case in UK against OSA? [19:24:31] Not really much to appeal yet [19:24:49] [1/2] Old [19:24:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1448032658193125477/latest.png?ex=6939c900&is=69387780&hm=f285129f0e3c863de8723b149edb79da954a939980f66bf37bc6f53e466a3911& [19:24:53] As I recall, the last decision was "Until there's a decision that has an impact, WMF is not impacted" [19:25:01] no move to canada [19:25:13] I don't think WMF will remain unaffected for long [19:25:16] we have been left out of the age verification shit [19:25:21] I still wish Cosmos had a fork of this style [19:25:23] [1/2] hmmm [19:25:23] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1448032798899310764/Screenshot_2025-12-09-22-24-56-016_org.mozilla.firefox.jpg?ex=6939c922&is=693877a2&hm=b1ef0d1819d011d79e08d9584190eed0b4ce35973cb24e0eaefa9c684366ab71& [19:25:38] they would indeed classify them under whatever category requires strict age verification [19:25:51] because of WP:UNCENSORED mainly [19:26:07] they apparently also rolled out enhancements for those with poor vision [19:26:08] You guys really need to make something like that [19:27:23] Cause the main page you guys create upon wiki creation is NOT it 💔 [19:28:01] write something up and propose it [19:28:22] enhancement so crazy, that common mind cannot comprehend [19:29:29] - Welcome to miraheze, now goodbye because you will give up on the wiki after three weeks of wiki creation. [19:29:36] ok so it turns out no [19:29:37] https://tenor.com/view/alien-cat-spooky-cat-strange-cat-earless-cat-alien-gif-27449502 [19:29:43] there are a few bills in consideration [19:29:57] but at least they mandate the destruction of data after verification is done [19:31:36] parliament please dont pass these fuckass laws anyways 🙏 [19:32:00] There have been rewrites. They just never got merged [19:33:02] Actually, @originalauthority what if any is the state of the loadouts feature you were working on a whiiiile back [19:34:01] Live for Telepedia, no work done for CreateWiki [19:34:12] Mostly because it didn't really seem like it fits in the way Miraheze does it [19:34:13] you mean? [19:34:23] what loadouts [19:34:31] CreateMyWikis [19:34:39] Honestly more than i thought lol [19:34:40] Mostly because by virtue of doing that, Translate Wiki would no longer be able to provide translations [19:34:56] Technically or [19:35:08] This is not such a big deal for Telepedia as we don't have global translations already, but for Miraheze it would be a step back [19:35:13] On the imported stuff? [19:35:42] We have discussed having premade loadouts like fandom that establish some default templates and things, definitely something I want to look more at. [19:35:48] Yes, but also the main page et al (of course, the main page could just be excluded ig and still gotten from translate wiki I suppose [19:36:11] Also I did have a working draft but then create wiki was rewritten so that got squished [19:36:25] If the main page default is kept as is, and we add loadouts for templates and such, it’s not really a step back, since yes it’s unfortunate that these new things aren’t translated, but if the alternative is not existing [19:36:33] I feel that’s still a net positive no? [19:36:40] I guess yeah [19:36:43] wait a sec [19:36:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382207711332143106/1446152102358290533/geewhiz.gif [19:37:03] i just realised, we haven't considered translation of templates here? [19:37:12] And leaves the possibility of integrating translations later [19:37:14] I still have to translate the remaining untranslated words in the PTBR translastion [19:37:16] In loadouts? [19:37:26] or is that's what are you talking about [19:38:14] My main issue is that the workflow I have is that the pages are exported from the load out wiki to swift or whatever (Telepedia uses R2 because egress is free but that's whatever). Translate Wiki will only translate system messages, Al a issue [19:38:55] As I understand OA’s implementation of loadouts like fandom has does not support posting and taking translations from translatewiki, which would be diverging from our current system [19:39:06] Does it use XML import [19:39:08] I wonder how many wikis Telepedia has [19:39:55] Yes [19:40:04] A number greater than zero [19:40:05] ^ reply didn't push but [19:40:17] Hmmm [19:40:44] Homepage says 50, but I'm guessing that's a static number and not a live update [19:40:54] an unsigned integer [19:41:08] Telepedia is pretty niche and I like that [19:41:10] Since it's just a wrapper around RevisionImporter with some funky database stuff to remove the revisions and provide a custom edit summary [19:42:19] Internal mediawiki class? [19:43:07] [1/3] at which exact moment templates are pulled into new wiki [19:43:08] [2/3] is it like a script doing imports of templates? [19:43:08] [3/3] if language of a wiki is set already somewhere readable, it could pull set of templates in that lang [19:44:02] As I would guess the two issues are [19:44:13] Oh actually looks like my class is called RevisionImporter lol MediaWiki doesn't have one, I insert them directly into the database [19:44:40] A) us relying on TW which also works with system messages [19:45:04] And if we keep a wiki using Translate instead, I don’t know how annoying exporting language pages is [19:45:21] MW seems to have some? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_revisions idk I’m on mobile and not super familiar with the codebase yet [19:46:37] My implementation takes into account the requested language of the wiki at creation (but I only support en personally), and looks for an XML file called lang.xml, if found, it uses that - so technically it's possible, but the issue is who would provide those translations since Translate Wiki can only translate system messages, not pages? 🤷‍♀️ [19:47:21] Do you keep a loadout wiki that continuously updates the file or is it manually updated [19:49:29] I have a loadout wiki yeah, the file is updated once a week via a cron job [19:50:41] There are some people in the global community who would probably provide translations but not having TW would be felt [19:51:32] But, better than nothing? [19:52:06] Ain't the ManageWiki main page on translatewiki [19:52:13] The default one [19:52:26] Uuuuuh I know it’s a system message so probably yes [19:52:46] Ye so you can put a whole page on translatewiki [19:53:03] Different animal [19:53:19] That’s a big piece of text stored in an interface message [19:54:02] The idea of loadouts is to have a default wiki package with basic templates or help pages or whatever that can be maintained and then given the option to import onto newly created wikis [19:54:35] So you wanna have a whole page sent to translatewiki [19:54:46] That's stored on a mediawiki wiki [19:54:55] _enter the problem_ [19:55:02] what are we talking about [19:55:07] Among others [19:55:12] pack the wikitext into a format translatewiki does support [19:55:16] Send that to them [19:55:20] Export the result back [19:55:30] wikitext.zip [19:55:37] @originalauthority says he generates lang.xml files anyway [19:55:37] :ThinkerMH: [19:55:45] So do it as a TW format [19:56:24] then we’d also need someone to deal with translation on the wiki break pages up into individual messages [19:56:55] And compared to most things on TW, an actual wiki and templates are much more likely to be rewritten in a way that entirely fucks up existing messages [19:57:00] this nerd talk is very interesting to read :pupCoffeeMH: [19:57:16] Or if we wanna rename a page or smt [19:57:24] I don't think the main page examples have been fucked up too much [19:57:33] It feels only slightly insane [19:57:50] Makes life worse for contributors on our end and might cause some TW admin to punch a wall [19:58:00] It also feels like not the most ridiculous idea to ask the TW folks about [19:58:14] Like something they'd actually be interested in a sane solution for [19:58:16] I was actually about to say that lol [19:59:34] Hmm, python script? [19:59:52] Custom add-on (whatever mediawiki calls those things?) [20:00:07] Extension [20:00:28] Well this is all going to be with changes to CreateWiki anyways so [20:00:42] Don't we need a few developers for that [20:00:45] The issue is in where we get to the overlap of our existing source of translations [20:00:48] We still have SUL3 changes to make [20:01:02] Oh yeah no this is all basically theoretical or delusional [20:01:05] Depending on how you look at it [20:01:14] It can be both [20:01:35] But tbf it does already exist, it would be mainly if OA would be willing to port it to the new CW [20:02:04] Fair [20:02:38] I work on a 12 nation interoperability project and I'm a C++ developer as my day job [20:02:51] 99% of my work could be described as theoretical or delusional [20:02:56] I know CA also had some related stuff in the cooker for CW, he showed me a while ago, but idk if that’s been swallowed by rewrites yet [20:02:58] Given it's all research focused [20:03:10] May ask when he comes back from the ether [20:04:14] A custom Extension may do it [20:04:28] . [20:04:43] It’s going to be anyways [20:04:59] That part isn’t the issue [20:05:09] The issue is sourcing translations [20:05:32] Laterais [20:05:36] Which currently we benefit from the Translate Wiki community for, but we can’t do that with whole pages and templates on a wiki [20:05:39] Que [20:06:20] I recuit writers for writing my wiki, maybe there are people intersted you could recuit [20:06:34] If all esle fails, well, there is Fiverr [20:06:48] We aren’t spending funds on this [20:07:00] Are you that short of funds? [20:07:13] We have more cash than ever [20:08:05] But on principle precedent and practice we never spend money to source translations or labor [20:08:25] That’s a dangerous and slippery slope, and blurs a lot of lines [20:08:35] Sadly volunteers are hard to find - think of the fact I kinda have to spend to get writers [20:08:49] Exactly [20:09:07] Thats why there’s been the entire issue and discussion about keeping support with translation wiki [20:09:19] Why not make a open call for translators? [20:09:21] It is the largest group of translators in the wiki world [20:09:37] Like "We are looking for translators for X, would anybody be intersted?" [20:09:55] Why is it so relatint on the translation wiki? [20:09:59] We’d get some sure, but no where near the amount of hands and languages TW [20:10:54] [1/2] tap [20:10:54] [2/2] Miraheze alone doesn’t have the people to support translations for more than the really big languages probably (just look at the state of translations on meta wiki for a semi reference point) [20:12:11] So, you could focus on just the big lanages, and then brach out [20:12:22] Hm, Amire80 is here ain’t he? [20:13:01] [1/2] See how I do a focus on one "Age" of writing at a time, and then slowly build up content [20:13:01] [2/2] Maybe you could do as "Phase 1" the biggest 3-5 or even 5-7 lanaguses [20:15:02] We take whatever people will donate [20:15:13] We can’t be sure or count on what that will be [20:15:33] We can count on TranslateWiki having a lot more [20:21:16] @amire80 [20:21:21] Yes [20:22:13] How can I be of service? [20:23:41] We're coming up with delusional ideas for how to translate a loadout wiki using translatewiki and wondered if they were any good idea from the TW folks @amire80 [20:24:08] What's a "loadout wiki"? [20:25:41] (A bit busy at the moment, I'm rehearsing for a show I'm playing later today, I fancy myself quite a rockstar, but please write stuff, and I'll definitely reply later.) [20:25:54] Oooo good luck [20:26:08] Good luck! [20:26:27] Goodluck [20:27:13] @pixldev you wanna explain the loadout wiki thing? [20:27:27] I’m looking for Telepedia’s to use as an example [20:27:39] @originalauthority where’s the TP loadout wiki [20:27:59] If I could remember the URL I would tell you [20:28:04]