[01:35:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> debugging
[03:16:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Debugging the debug
[03:52:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> We gotta debug the debug the debugger.
[05:51:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to tangoer_man> roblox kids
[06:16:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> somehow this comes to me. is wikitext turing complete with parser functions and variables ext?
[06:20:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to honoka55> [1/2] https://gwern.net/doc/cs/algorithm/2006-jared-wikimediaprovesgreenspunstenthlaw.html
[06:20:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to honoka55> [2/2] Not sure if this is true in the absence of template substituion loops though.
[06:23:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> interesting
[06:23:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Hmm. I'm guessing wikitext not Turing complete. Since template loops are not allowed, there is no infinitely, so there is no wikitext equivalent of a halting problem.
[06:25:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> makes sense. what if introduce loops ext as well (ofc ignore max recur depth
[06:27:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i propose stupid idea: enable the externaldata extension so that the wiki can call into itself before it hits the template limit
[06:27:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> claireeeeeeeeeeee
[06:29:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to pskyechology> the rainverse wiki has a lua base64 encoder in it
[06:31:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to honoka55> Loops + variables can definitely introduce an infinite loop with `while`, so I'd say wikitext becomes turing complete.
[06:31:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> when are we gonna port powerpoint to wikitext
[06:32:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> IIRC the informal version is that (possibly infinite) recursion + if statements are the criteria for being turing complete.
[06:37:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> can you do if without parserfunctions i wonder
[06:48:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [1/2] lua base64 decoder (yes speciallycursed 100% uses lua:EpicFaceMH:
[06:48:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1443131322783629485/image.png?ex=6927f447&is=6926a2c7&hm=2fea1e6580683a91b2013470a6548d15791071e8f2e2aaf8982023d90c9627e3&
[06:53:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to blankeclair> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Qif
[06:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> A very smart workaround. If `{{{test|}}}` is empty, it'll use the value of `{{{else}}}`. If it is nonempty, it'll try to use an inexistent argument and fall back to `{{{then}}}`.
[06:54:40] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7btest 
[07:02:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to posix_memalign> why can't it be `{{{else{{{test|}}}|{{{then|}}}}}}`?
[07:02:33] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7belse%7b%7b%7btest 
[07:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> why is `{{{test{{{test|}}}|...}}}` there?
[07:02:49] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7btest%7b%7b%7btest 
[07:03:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i also love that they added undefined behaviour to wikitext
[07:08:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to blankeclair> `Parameter else is optional.` So if `else` is empty and `test` is empty, you'd want to return the empty string instead of `then`.
[07:12:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ohhhhhhhhhh
[07:12:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> brilliant hack ngl
[07:13:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> https://qnews.com.au/68-reduction-in-suicidality-for-trans-youth-on-hrt-says-new-report/
[07:13:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> hell yeah
[07:15:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to blankeclair> no way it's almost like not feeling like yourself is really bad for you
[07:16:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ikr?? i'm sooooooooooo surprised
[07:20:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to posix_memalign> it's magic
[07:25:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to honoka55> https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-it%27s-beautiful-i%27ve-looked-at-this-for-five-hours-now-it%27s-beautiful-i%27ve-looked-at-this-for-five-hours-now-tom-haverford-aziz-ansari-gif-5941818804013316452
[09:11:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer, replying to blankeclair> What is?
[09:11:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to elitericefarmer> [[w:Template:Qif]]
[09:11:43] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Qif
[09:11:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Qif>
[09:13:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> what does q stand for
[09:14:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> no idea lol
[09:14:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> queer
[09:16:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> hell yeah :3
[09:39:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [1/3] huh, 78.7% not suicidal at baseline
[09:39:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [2/3] i'm surprised, but like in a good way
[09:39:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1443174243457175744/1764149950743.png?ex=69281c40&is=6926cac0&hm=dfb04f89cc34c21239403a818ee6c41ba32a082ba26be6de812de10d4bc49367&
[09:46:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer, replying to blankeclair> Hell yeah!!!
[09:46:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> queer if
[09:46:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer> I have no clue what's going on.
[09:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer> I'm just being supportive.
[09:47:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [1/2] if queer, something
[09:47:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> [2/2] else, something else
[09:47:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elitericefarmer> 💪
[09:47:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [1/2] > Our sample was drawn from a multidisciplinary specialty clinic with experienced providers and access to comprehen­sive gender care services. Thus, these findings may not gener­alize to all youth prescribed HT for GD, particularly those in less resourced or less supportive settings.
[09:47:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [2/2] oh right, i forgot to account for the fact that trans youth being able to legally get hrt almost always means that they have supportive parents
[09:47:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> cool
[11:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to posix_memalign> hmm what about recursive substitution though?
[11:25:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] if i installed waterfox trough tar.gz, would installing it from flatpak means ill have two completely separate wf installs that can run at the same time? :ThinkerMH: 
[11:25:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] cus on windows i had two separate firefox installs running like that but not sure about linux
[11:26:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> like `LoopStart` has `{{subst:LoopContinue|...}}` and `LoopContinue` eventually converts to `{{subst:LoopStart|...}}`
[11:26:21] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/subst:Template:LoopContinue 
[11:26:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> would require repeatedly saving the page but surely it counts right
[11:27:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I installed zen browser from tar.gz then installed it again from tar.gz and they're both inside the downloads folder and they are separate installs that can run at the same time so I'd imagine yes
[11:28:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> I think you'd need to make sure that they have different aliases
[11:29:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah, i used to run firefox as normal browser for myself and a comodo icedragon (fork) for wiki works, but as it died i had to switch to ff in there too and made it somehow run separately, w/ different profile and stuff
[11:30:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> yeah all you need to do is just make them in different folders and it just works somehow
[11:30:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> well at least that's the case for zen but I don't know why it wouldn't work for firefox
[11:32:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> aight thanks
[11:35:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [1/2] I think recursive substitution can be done automatically with some ugly syntax, though the parser does not like substitution loops.
[11:35:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1443203470873333830/image.png?ex=69283778&is=6926e5f8&hm=3cc97dc240ea1d1cbd4d1405290a10e28347f1f5c8fc5609460936dda62d277a&
[11:35:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Repeatedly saving the page feel like cheating to me tbh.
[11:37:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to posix_memalign> `LoopContinue` would have to be something like `{{subst:A}}{{subst:!}}...}}` and Template:A would be something like `{{subst:LoopStart`
[11:37:54] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/subst:Template:A 
[11:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> but yeah it's kinda cheating
[11:39:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Sandbox/TheWWRNerdGuy/RecursiveSubst/doc
[13:03:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> sprunki sprunki spruunki get funky funky fuunky
[13:03:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> https://tenor.com/view/sprunki-sprunki-sprunki-get-funky-funky-funky-gif-1330437931901229333
[13:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [1/2] good news it works, not really good is that a custom icon i set up for one of them via launch menu - and it seemed to work fine at first, now switches to default in task bar
[13:03:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to thewwrnerdguy> [2/2] on windows i fucked around custom icon so much, only for it to not work :moonch:
[13:10:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also i decided to install tar.gz again
[13:54:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to bartomelow> https://tenor.com/view/badeline-angry-celeste-indie-cross-gif-6289066159998525334
[13:54:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> please, spare my eyes
[15:04:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ok i think i found an obscure solution, but it's now does a completely unrelated thing (opens a broken home page on each launch, despite preferences asking for blank)
[15:09:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i can leave w/ that, i guess
[16:15:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to tangoer_man> MADELINE MY BELOVED
[16:18:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> [1/2] WAIT HOLY SHIT
[16:18:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1443274685642051719/image_2025-11-26_111816138.png?ex=692879cb&is=6927284b&hm=fc4146a30b5457672722f42359a476e2a14720926d66757dd664a86b8744f79d&
[16:18:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> 6 DOLLARS AND 50 CENTS 🤑
[16:18:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Huh
[16:18:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> That's about as much as it was in the summer sale.
[16:18:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Nice.
[16:18:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> i should go actually get the game
[16:19:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to tangoer_man> steam is so nice to us
[16:19:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> PRAISE GABEN
[16:26:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to tangoer_man> GET IT GET IT GET IT
[16:28:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> WILL DOOOOOO
[16:28:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
[16:31:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raquelfromunsighted> Man I fucking love Madeline from Celeste, she's such a trans queen ❤️ 🏳️‍⚧️ :transheze:
[16:31:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Dyno#3861> @raquelfromunsighted Watch your language.
[16:32:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raquelfromunsighted> @Dyno shush
[16:58:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to raquelfromunsighted> bots have feelings too (oil)
[17:02:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I think that’s called electromagnetic interference
[17:03:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Try coiling the opposite wires or putting some foil between things, that tends to help
[17:30:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to raquelfromunsighted> the robots will get you when the mechanical revolution of 2037 begins
[17:33:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raquelfromunsighted> jokes on you, I'm an automaton from the game Unsighted
[17:34:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raquelfromunsighted> basically, I am a robot
[17:48:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to raquelfromunsighted> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872659305231433821/1387582546770137259/dFJItOZc.gif
[17:55:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka, replying to raquelfromunsighted> Did Captcha tell you that?
[17:57:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raquelfromunsighted> No
[17:58:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sakurababochka> Then how do you know?
[18:27:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> failed the turing test
[19:26:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raquelfromunsighted> My creator, Dr. Zeferina, is smart enough to make us automatons bypass Captcha.
[19:36:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jesscox198> [1/3] I'll be teaching 10 individuals to earn $30k to $100k or more daily, but you will pay me 10% of your profit when you receive it. Note: Only interested people should apply. Drop a message to let's get started by asking (HOW). Via Telegram username 
[19:36:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jesscox198> [2/3] @officialjessco
[19:36:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jesscox198> [3/3] Or use the telegram link in my
[21:02:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [1/2] ahem
[21:02:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [2/2] css tnat makes your wiki Hot Dog Stand
[23:27:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> very reassuring news: i just made myself in project zomboid and died in 7 hours
[23:27:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> 🙏