[14:28:43] hey halfak [14:28:50] Hey tos. [14:29:30] Last time you were online I was busy with the interview, but luckily it went off well [14:29:43] Hows everything? [14:30:48] halfak, ^ [14:31:15] Glad to hear it. [14:31:35] Things are good. Far too busy, but I'm making time for some Snuggle stuff. [14:31:45] I finally got OAuth working and Snuggle running on WMF Labs. [14:31:56] Next I need to get a few more languages running. [14:33:07] Now that OAuth is up, we can finally get other editors to run Snuggle without security doubts, no? [14:33:13] Also, what languages? [14:33:18] ^ halfak [14:33:38] I have language files for pt and it wikis. [14:33:56] I can spin up ptwiki in a couple of hours, but itwiki might require more work. [14:34:19] Alright [14:34:46] This conversation with Lane is a pain. [14:35:11] It's a bummer to need to fight the perceived WMF/community divide on two fronts. [14:35:42] With others getting into the conversation, I think that matter is more than handled [14:36:20] I'd agree except for the claims about me violating ethical norms and otherwise not holding my mop the right way. [14:38:00] Take it "lite" (as my college lingo says). That matter's handled and nobody else is claiming you violated any norms [14:38:50] Hmm.. Well, too late on that front. I posted a response to lane about an hour ago. [14:40:37] Ugh. More of a mess. [14:41:01] Well I'll just stay clear off this one because I barely know what the issue is all about [14:41:08] Yeah. I can't let claims against my ethics slide though. It's a professional thing. [14:41:16] No worries. I think that is best. [14:41:42] If Lane wants to continue the conversation, it should happen elsewhere. I've already reached out to him to request that we move it. [14:42:54] Alright. [14:43:19] Meanwhile, what plans do you have for Wikimania? I assume you are going to make a presentation there right? [14:43:46] *submission [14:43:56] Yup. [14:44:00] I have three submissions. [14:44:21] See https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:EpochFail [14:44:23] Three? [14:44:37] Two for WMF work and one for WikiCredit. [14:44:49] Ah. That makes more sense. [14:45:05] :) How about you? [14:46:12] I'm just planning to grill everyone with questions :) [14:46:41] Figured that would be the best way to get myself aquainted with Wikimania and everyone's work [14:47:07] :) I wouldn't look at it as grilling though. [14:47:16] Getting someone to think with you. [14:47:33] Well, I guess you'll have to wait until my questions start before you reconsider [14:47:41] Fair enough. [14:48:15] Any chance you know the exact dates of the hackathon? I am still trying to figure out whether its on 5-8th or 6th-8th [14:48:31] Sorry 5-7 or 6-7 [14:49:02] I think it 6&7th [14:49:32] Ah. I read it was on 5th to 7th so I chose 4th as my dates for the flight. [14:49:36] I believe that it is commonly first two days of the event. [14:49:58] Guess I'll have to figure out how to spend my day on the 4th then. [14:50:09] See https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon [14:50:17] What time do you land on the 4th? [14:50:48] No clue. The travel company contracted by WMF hasnt contacted me yet. [14:51:06] But I'm guessing it will probably be afternoon [14:52:41] Gotcha. Well, I know a London Wikipedians who might be interested in showing you around and stuff. [14:52:46] *few [14:52:58] Let me know if you get stuck there for a bit. [14:53:09] I expect that I'll end up arriving on the 5th. [14:53:23] Actually. I have a flight. [14:53:25] * halfak checks flight [14:53:45] Oh you did not opt for a scholarship? [14:53:58] Na. They don't give scholarships to WMF staff. [14:54:12] We have a different, internal program. [14:54:17] Right. I wasnt aware of that. [14:54:25] Looks like I get there around noon on the 5th. [14:54:40] Sounds cool. So where will you be staying? [15:01:22] Good Q. No idea. [15:02:05] I think the WMF might put us up in a hotel. Not sure. For the Zurich hackathon, we (WMFers) were in the same hostel as everyone else. I prefer that. [15:02:25] I barely left that hostel the whole time. [15:02:31] Too much hacking to do. [15:02:41] Hmm it would make sense to put you at the same location we are allotted [15:02:51] OAuth in Snuggle looks super unimpressive for the amount of work that went into it. [15:03:06] Hmm let me check it out [15:03:31] Whoever tries to use MediaWiki's OAuth in python after us will have it much easier though: http://pythonhosted.org/mwoauth/ [15:04:15] See also http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OAuth/Usage [15:04:29] 'Well I dont see whats the issue with using OAuth on snuggle. Looks good to me [15:04:43] :) [15:05:19] Is there some other issue you are talking about? [15:05:56] Looks like Lane came back with a nice response :) [15:06:03] Because the only thing I noticed was that it took a good 10 seconds to load [15:06:12] Thats good news :) [15:06:15] Oh. Re. OAuth, it's messy, hard and the MW implementation is non-standard. [15:06:29] It works great now though. [15:06:37] Just took a bunch of time to get it to a good spot. [15:06:50] I've filed a bunch of bugs against Extension:OAuth. [15:07:16] Ah. Then for now its all good then :) [15:07:22] csteipp has been pretty quick about responding to everything but my requests for new consumers. [15:07:27] Yup. All good. [15:07:47] Just, as always, I wish it didn't take so much time so I could get some of the other bugs cleared :\ [15:07:51] What do you plan to do about making Snuggle actually frequently used by the community now? [15:08:19] I remember OAuth being the most important hurdle with that, and it is fixed now [15:08:49] 1. Our new mentoring system [15:08:58] 2. Diffusion into other languages [15:09:09] 3. Better bot support as an information resource about new editors. [15:09:41] 4. Community support (if I can get you and others to sign on for that) [15:09:54] Hmm... [15:09:59] Community support == welcoming new Snugglers and negotiating best practices. [15:10:49] I guess 4 should be actually 0, because the new mentoring system will take a good few months to come into place, and we'd be better off getting Snuggle up and running before that [15:11:14] up and running == Being used rather frequently by atleast a core group of Snugglers [15:12:29] I agree. Not clear which way is forward there. [15:12:46] Right now, all of my Snuggle time is spent getting the system to a good place for usage. [15:12:54] Fixing bugs and implementing features. [15:13:03] Right. [15:13:04] And that's going way slower than I want. [15:13:46] Well my opinion is that bugs and features are going to go on forever, so I personally suggest pushing towards wider usage at the same time [15:14:22] Hmm... If only there were a clean way to distribute the work ;) [15:15:55] Well before I consider that bait, here's something I just noticed [15:15:56] https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_Leaflets [15:16:18] Perfect opportunity to get 0 implemented [15:16:55] Oooh. [15:17:21] +1 [15:17:21] Can do this. [15:19:20] Cool. I hope you will make Snuggle has its flyers done? :) [15:19:39] say that again [15:20:51] I meant I expected you will make sure that the template for Snuggle is filled? [15:21:01] Yup. On my todo list. [15:21:05] +1 [15:21:48] Hey Matty007 [15:22:03] Hi tos [15:22:22] Hey Matty007. [15:22:32] Hi halfak [15:22:39] Matty007, Not sure if you read the mail, but the grantee interview went successfully :) [15:23:02] Matty007, Now we just wait for the final results for the grant [15:23:16] I checked it a few days ago, but this is great news [15:24:30] When's the final result coming out? [15:26:00] I believe it should be here by Monday [15:26:03] Or eariler