[08:53:50] <mga73>	 Hi! I have a question. I have set my language globally for English and when I go to a random wiki the menues are in ....... English!!!!  But on pawiki and hiwiki for example then only a few things are English. Why? I thought that the standard was English and you have to translate to something else if you want.
[08:54:52] <mga73>	 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/vVgUMd66/pawiki
[08:55:41] <mga73>	 Number 3 from the top is the same as https://pa.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges 
[08:57:57] <mga73>	 I mean that if ਖ਼ਾਸ:ਤਾਜ਼ਾ_ਤਬਦੀਲੀਆਂ and Special:RecentChanges link to the same place then the system must know that ਖ਼ਾਸ:ਤਾਜ਼ਾ_ਤਬਦੀਲੀਆਂ means Special:RecentChanges. So why do I not see Recent changes?
[13:03:55] <Reedy>	 mga73: See https://pa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A8%AE%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%A1%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80:Sidebar
[13:21:55] <mga73>	 Reedy: Thank you. Does that mean that it is not possible to see the menues in another language?
[13:22:15] <Reedy>	 If they've been explicitly translated like that, then no
[13:44:13] <mga73>	 Reedy Is it possible to decide what order the stuff is without breaking the possibily to translate? 
[14:35:55] <Reedy>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/Sidebar#Translations
[14:42:10] <mga73>	 Reedy: Thank you. So if there are 150 wikis with each 5 menu points I have to make 750 ~/da to make Danish Translations, 750 ~/de to make German translations etc. So if there are 100 languages it is a total of 75,000 pages? Is it not possible to use translate wiki for that? 
[14:43:40] <Reedy>	 translatewiki does translate the "default" menu
[14:44:52] <Reedy>	 >Please note that MediaWiki will by default use the content of the Sidebar page in that language, which corresponds to the default language of your wiki. So, if your wiki e.g. uses French as its default language, edit MediaWiki:Mainpage/fr in order to show a modified sidebar to all users, who have not changed their language setting and to all anonymous users. 
[14:47:01] <Reedy>	 The problem is that they've hardcoded the translation string in the sidebar message
[14:47:06] <Reedy>	 for xample, if you look at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar
[14:47:13] <Reedy>	 thema-url|thema
[14:47:26] <Reedy>	 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Thema
[14:47:31] <Reedy>	 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Thema/en
[14:48:39] <Reedy>	 If the message key used already exists in MW/extensions, it should use those
[14:48:58] <mga73>	 Okay so it is possible to use defaults like "recentchanges-url|recentchanges" and then TranslateWiki will work for recent changes and at the same time use special pages like the fr example?
[14:51:33] <Reedy>	 yeah
[14:53:22] <mga73>	 Thank you!