[17:35:49] [[Tech]]; 119.56.97.84; /* en.m.wiktionary Header sections always not collapsed and always expanded */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=21281896&oldid=21273549&rcid=17828293 [17:43:37] [[Tech]]; 119.56.97.84; /* en.wiktionary Lua errors happen often on Long Pages */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=21281983&oldid=21281896&rcid=17828485 [19:40:39] Did something just change with how mw-parser-output and wm-category-generated interact on Commons? Suddenly there’s a huge amount of whitespace caused by the former. [19:41:39] I also see it on enwp, so it’s not a change that’s caused by the Commons Infobox. [19:42:11] subbu ^ maybe one for you [19:42:49] not that I know of .. maybe a CSS change? [19:45:36] this train has this parsoid bump https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/vendor/+/674397 which has something related to category links [19:46:55] phab:279008 [19:47:30] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T279008 [19:54:17] Not just me seeing it. No rush, it only affects about 3 million Commons categories. [19:54:33] mpeel: probably caused by the changes from phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277218 [19:54:38] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T277218 [19:56:43] Unbreak now please? [19:58:08] twentyafterfour: ^ fyi as this weeks train conductor [19:59:36] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Technical#Files_no_longer_appear_at_the_top,_but_below_the_infobox [20:05:49] mpeel: it won't have rolled to enwp yet [20:07:00] hmm, odd that I could see the same behaviour there then… [20:08:00] mpeel: ah right, I just noticed earlier today and I assumed there was something wrong with that specific category like a {{clear}} [20:11:45] do we need a rollback? [20:13:53] If there is a way of changing the infobox code to work around this change, then I can implement that, but it seems to be quite a strong clear statement? [20:26:19] I don't think so (unless I'm entirely forgetting how templatestyles work), but I could throw a fix in common.css if this isn't getting rolled back soon [20:32:40] I'd rather roll forward instead of blocking the train but I'm not sure what the correct fix is [20:39:45] Jdlrobson: the affecting enwp but report came straight after train is what confused me [20:41:46] I can see the same thing on enwp, but perhaps that is unrelated, it’s a different version of the infobox. [20:42:02] The main issue is on Commons. :) [20:43:27] A fix apparently got applied there [20:43:42] So maybe force refresh if still issue / purge etc [20:45:16] OK, it looks better now after ?action=purge [20:45:21] twentyafterfour: so i've fixed Commons [20:45:42] What i'm not understanding is how this will effect English Wikipedia? [20:46:03] I see English Wikipedia is on wmf36 and don't see any category pages which rely on floating? [20:46:07] Could somebody fill me in? [20:48:00] Jdlrobson: This was the example I was looking at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Football_Manager [20:48:08] mpeel: but that doesn't float to the right, right? [20:48:26] It may well be different code, it’s not well used on enwp. [20:48:36] English Wikipedia is running an older version of mediawiki [20:48:41] Mostly it’s used on Commons, and a few other wikis. [20:48:51] Are you saying on English Wikipedia it should be floated too? [20:49:11] I don’t think it matters, since enwp doesn’t really use the template. [20:49:16] Commons was the important case. [20:49:36] So with that in mind I think @twentyafterfour can continue the train? [20:50:10] The fix for Commons will be permanant, or could it break again? [20:50:17] It will be permenant [20:50:23] FWIW learning about these problems helps us document this in the code better and make sure this stuff doesn't break in future [20:50:24] Thanks. :) [20:50:47] Most of the work we're doing is around future proofing poorly documented contracts [20:50:54] If you could not break 3 million commons categories again, that would be appreciated, and would help my blood pressure. ;-) [21:06:13] :) [22:50:16] our wiki shows on special:categories nonexistent (red) categories with zero members, although it obviously should not. it does it for weeks. is it possible to run any maintenance script on server to clean it up? (it's small wiki) [22:58:39] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CleanupEmptyCategories.php