[01:35:07] <Magog_the_Ogre>	 Good evening. Does anyone know how to submit a job from a webservice? I tried to call jsub but it seems the command is not found like it is from bash.
[01:36:48] <Magog_the_Ogre>	 I cannot run the job directly from the webservice since Labs now kills my script after running for one minute 
[01:41:42] <Reedy>	 #wikimedia-cloud
[08:10:25] <IL>	 DannyS712, brilliant that's exactly what I needed
[08:12:15] <inductiveload>	 that's in the base, so I don't need to mw.loader.load it, right?
[20:37:57] <legoktm>	 Reminder: The Coolest Tool Award ceremony is tomorrow at 17:00 UTC! see https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2020-December/094108.html for more details and links. IRC discussion will be in #wmhack
[21:43:56] <lustiger_seth>	 is anybody here who is responsible for the bot [[user:MediaWiki message delivery]]?
[21:44:51] <DannyS712>	 its an extension, MassMessage
[21:45:45] <lustiger_seth>	 that bot uses short urls which are unwanted (at least in dewiki). how can i convince that bot to avoid such urls?
[22:10:54] <MatmaRex>	 lustiger_seth: can you give an example? the actual messages it posts are usually written by humans, you could perhaps convince them
[22:11:38] <lustiger_seth>	 who has the right to use that message system?
[22:12:08] <lustiger_seth>	 is the edit filter (aka abuse filter) usable for [[special:massmessage]]?
[22:12:39] <lustiger_seth>	 example: https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion:Troubled_asset/Newsletter&diff=prev&oldid=206325361
[22:12:39] <MatmaRex>	 tons of people https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/massmessage-sender
[22:13:00] <MatmaRex>	 the bot edits have a comment att he bottom describing who sent them
[22:13:12] <MatmaRex>	 <!-- Nachricht versandt von Benutzer:Mohammed Sadat (WMDE)@metawiki durch Verwendung der Liste unter https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikidata&oldid=20753468 -->
[22:16:36] <MatmaRex>	 lustiger_seth: by the way, i tried one of the shortened links in that message ("https://w.wiki/pZJ Russian cuisine") and the link will not display correctly when you use the un-shortened form in wikitext. no idea why that happens, but it's probably the reason they were shortened
[22:16:49] <lustiger_seth>	 ok, you are right. maybe it's enough to ask this single user.
[22:18:21] <lustiger_seth>	 w.wiki/pZJ resolves to https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23defaultView%3AImageGrid%0ASELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fimage%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ12505%20%3B%20wdt%3AP18%20%3Fimage.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D and that works for me.
[22:19:06] <MatmaRex>	 it doesn't work when you use it in wikitext markup
[22:19:08] <lustiger_seth>	 although this long url won't win the prize for being the most beautiful one.
[22:19:08] <MatmaRex>	 [https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23defaultView%3AImageGrid%0ASELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fimage%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ12505%20%3B%20wdt%3AP18%20%3Fimage.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20"%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen".%20%7D%0A%7D asdf]
[22:19:59] <lustiger_seth>	 this works for me: [https://query.wikidata.org/embed.html#%23defaultView%3AImageGrid%0ASELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fimage%20%7B%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP361%20wd%3AQ12505%20%3B%20wdt%3AP18%20%3Fimage.%0A%20%20SERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22%5BAUTO_LANGUAGE%5D%2Cen%22.%20%7D%0A%7D moep]
[22:21:50] <MatmaRex>	 hmm, fascinating, how is my link different? i just copied it from the browser
[22:21:54] <MatmaRex>	 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Matma_Rex/sandbox
[22:22:04] <MatmaRex>	 apparently, wikitext doesn't like the un-encoded "
[22:22:22] <MatmaRex>	 lustiger_seth: also, FYI, the w.wiki shortener is a Wikimedia site, and it only allows links to Wikimedia sites. i don't really understand why you'd ban it
[22:22:28] <MatmaRex>	 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_URL_Shortener#List_of_supported_sites
[22:22:59] <lustiger_seth>	 your " is not urlencoded
[22:23:41] <lustiger_seth>	 (i copied my long url from the http location header)
[22:24:17] <MatmaRex>	 i copied it from the browser address bar. i would guess that whoever sent that message ran into the same problem, and just shortened it instead of debugging :D
[22:24:51] <lustiger_seth>	 short urls may be useful for mobile devices. but they have several disadvantages when used internally:
[22:26:00] <lustiger_seth>	 * external links have a slightly lighter color, so that a false impression would be created.
[22:26:47] <lustiger_seth>	 * misspellings in links within the own project should cause a conspicuous red colored reference. URL links, on the other hand, are always blue.
[22:27:38] <lustiger_seth>	 * the calling page appears only with the wikilink in the "whatlinkshere" within the own project, so that with changes (also content kind) the calling links can be adapted.
[22:27:47] <MatmaRex>	 sure, but i think none of the usual problems apply to a service we own
[22:28:00] <MatmaRex>	 anyway, i don't really care, i was just trying to solve a mystery
[22:30:29] <lustiger_seth>	 the mentioned problems (and some more) only occur when using urls to internal pages instead of internal links.
[22:30:49] <MatmaRex>	 i need to run, but i think you can find the person who sent the message now and talk to them about the links?
[22:31:14] <lustiger_seth>	 mystery: yes, you are probably right. i'll ask that user and give him a hint on how to avoid encoding problems.
[22:32:12] <lustiger_seth>	 yes, thanks!
[22:32:25] <MatmaRex>	 no problem