[13:50:30] [[Tech]]; Pogram music argentina digital; [none]; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=20305900&oldid=20304379&rcid=15946381 [13:50:43] [[Tech]]; Tegel; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/Pogram music argentina digital|Pogram music argentina digital]] ([[User talk:Pogram music argentina digital|talk]]) to last version by Nadzik; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=20305901&oldid=20305900&rcid=15946388 [13:55:19] hello! i'm looking for a reference link to WMF's policy on using only free open source software. The best I can find is a reference to a policy for Cloud VPS, but I'm looking for one more generally. Does anyone know if we officially state this anywhere? [13:56:45] ottomata: https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Wikimedia_Foundation_Guiding_Principles [13:56:52] "All software code written by the Wikimedia Foundation is licensed under an applicable free software license. We realize our obligations not just to share code, but to cultivate a healthy community of contributors around the source code, and to work with upstream projects and contribute back improvements to their code. " [13:58:17] ottomata: I'm not aware of any "only free open source software" WMF policy. There's a "FOSS preferred if it covers the use case" policy though [13:58:42] if you refer to software *used*, not necessarily (co)*developed* by WMF [14:11:05] ottomata: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Guiding_Principles#Freedom_and_open_source ? [14:11:56] ...sorry, didn't notice M.ajavah's answer at first [14:13:06] there is a de facto policy on only using FLOSS for actually running the site. Not sure if that's written down anywhere though. [14:13:51] thank you [14:14:00] yeah i'd love to have a link to something explicit like tha [14:14:02] t [14:14:14] but the guiding principal link will do ok i guess [14:14:16] (writing a blog post) [14:14:48] i wonder if we could get something like that written down officially [14:14:54] dunno what it would take to do that [14:15:02] I'd try asking on a channel with more SRE presence, it's mostly relevant for them [14:15:05] yeah [14:15:16] that's where I get most of the resistense when I want to use something non FLOSS [14:15:44] i got a couple of SRE's to answer me in slack (ironic?), i'll continue this discussion there [14:17:38] I saw you here too ottomata ;) [14:18:55] I don't actually know, but I think a lareg part of the insistence on the user query path being FLOSS is the right to fork [14:32:24] right, and that gets tricky because no one is going to fork an entire stack exactly, and if they wanted to get close they could swap out any non FLOSS pieces [16:36:29] It used to be considered obvious that we'd only run free software. [16:37:28] It's easy to find countless interviews from Jimbo Wales on the matter back in ~2004 [16:39:53] It was rather explicit in the original values too https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=15348972 [16:40:19] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering_Architecture_Principles [16:40:50] " OPEN/FLOSS: software we write MUST be published under a free license for the ability of third parties to audit our code and to create forks of the code base." [16:41:08] " OPEN/GIANTS: our software SHOULD be built on top of reliable, documented, well-maintained open-source components." [18:41:03] AntiComposite: thanks, that's more recent; creating forks of the *code* is a much less strict requirement than the ability to fork the entire Wikimedia projects. [18:53:21] Can this channel be connected to the global bna list? [18:56:08] AntiComposite: thanks for that link that is graet [19:28:27] Naleksuh: it is already :) [19:28:40] urbanecm : there is a globally banned user in this channel right now [19:28:59] that's because the banlist is only evaluated on joining :) [19:29:04] it's being taken care of through [19:30:36] goodbye [19:53:32] @seen zulipbridgebot [19:53:32] qedk: zulipbridgebot is in here, right now [19:54:55] hmm are you sure wm-bot [19:55:02] @seen zulipbridgebot [19:55:02] qedk: zulipbridgebot is in here, right now [19:57:11] is the bot not here or am i seeing things [19:58:23] /whois zulipbridgebot [19:58:25] zulipbridgebot :No such nick/channel [19:59:09] aye thanks andre [20:23:49] back [20:27:22] [[Tech]]; 37.129.146.17; /* ابس.بدسج.جددباسدجنق جسساب.ا.ب.اس */ new section; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=20306810&oldid=20305901&rcid=15949813 [20:28:06] [[Tech]]; Wiki13; Reverted changes by [[Special:Contributions/37.129.146.17|37.129.146.17]] ([[User talk:37.129.146.17|talk]]) to last version by Tegel; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=20306811&oldid=20306810&rcid=15949814