[00:29:50] Hello folks! Since day 10/july ~21h15 I'm receiving in a mail from wiki@wikimedia.org about a new message from Pathoschild on my talk on plwiki, but this "message" is already read, because it is from 2015! Is there any problem with mail services? [00:32:25] What do the headers actually say? [00:32:39] Has it been stuck for 5 years? Or has MW seemingly generated it recently? [00:34:41] apparently recently generated. I'll copy the headers, one moment [00:41:47] Reedy: https://pastebin.com/CKZ4LFtG [00:43:45] I thought the emails are only generated on actual edits... [00:44:45] this edit is from 2015 hehe https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dyskusja_wikipedysty:Sir_Lestaty_de_Lioncourt&action=history [00:45:06] Yeah [00:47:29] That's seemingly an Echo notification [00:47:36] I received the first email on the 10th, so if the notification was stucked and sent, it should have been considered marked "as read" on the 10th. But yesterday and today I still received the same notification [00:48:37] but in 2015 i remenber to marked it as read haha [00:50:05] I'd suggest probably filing a bug in phabricator [00:50:35] I'm guessing some recent change has either triggered it to be sent again, which would be odd... Or some very stuck job [00:51:16] Sure, I'll file a bug [00:58:22] a doubt: in the phabricator do I put the complete headers or just the pastebin link? [01:04:59] You can put the full headers in there, keeps it together [01:05:45] ok, thanks :) [05:39:30] Why'd I lose my session again? [05:41:06] > 21:52 tgr: all sessions have been invalidated due to T256395 [05:41:17] You could've sent another e-mail...... [05:41:59] tgr: Can you please notify wikitech-l and/or wikimedia-l when doing this? [07:13:02] is this where i can ask about how to make an infobox map shape on wikipedia? [07:13:25] who wants to figure out how to make custom shapes in a map? i'm wanting to replicate the type of map with embedded shape as seen in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Park using template:maplink [07:13:49] i see that [[Central Park]] uses {{maplink}} which uses its id= argument to source from wikidata. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q160409 [07:13:59] but i can't find any of the shape's coordinates at all [07:14:34] it seems that {{maplink}} absolutely requires the use of wikidata to input any coordinates, right? so i can't even test my shape on wikipedia in a wikicode preview? [07:18:23] do i use sharemap.org to create a shape on the map? or hwat [07:23:24] omg it's a Flash app lol [09:07:17] Savannah: hm, we wanted to send https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2020-July/002327.html to wikitech-l but it looks like we didn't or it didn't make it through mailman [09:07:57] I'm not sure about wikimedia-l being a good place for such announcements [09:09:20] There really should be wider announcements to the community as a whole about things like that tbh [09:10:53] Assume there's no scope to add a banner to the login page or somewhere [09:11:07] We've had quite a few queries come into -en-help about it [09:21:29] stewards felt like it wasn't worthwhile [09:35:11] Idk, changes to logins are always touchy subjects. A banner to say "Fyi, we've logged everybody out to roll out security improvements" would have deflected a lot of the queries [09:57:35] Majavah: thanks, I'll review your libup patch tomorrow probably [09:58:53] Darren-M: the reason we had to log everyone out probably had to do with banners to some extent, so I'd rather not deploy a banner about it to every single user before we are more confident the mitigations are working [10:11:49] do you guys know where i should ask for tutorials about how to make shape overlays on maps? [10:12:03] perhaps someone saw my question above [10:18:44] dtm - tried https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps ? [10:19:18] whooaaaaa buddy that sounds like a thing. i guess. [10:20:02] Not looked at it in detail, but looks like they have user guides and things. [10:53:23] anyone willing to review an installer fix before the release branch cut? https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/612169 [11:27:37] tgr: yes, let me test it [11:30:30] of course, I found a different bug when testing this [11:31:07] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257765 [11:33:25] +2'd [16:44:19] Question guys. Is python3.7.x available on tools machines ? [16:44:35] I upgraded couple of months back to 3.5.3, but was just wondering [16:44:47] it's on kubernetes but not on grid engine [16:45:11] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Web#python3.7_(Python3_+_Kubernetes) [16:45:12] I see that [16:45:22] but I think I should be already on kubernetes ? [16:45:46] ` webservice --canonical --backend=kubernetes python3.5 start` this is how I used to start my service [16:46:35] try changing "python3.5" to "python3.7" [16:49:00] makes sense. Even though I am on a virtualenv. [16:50:04] tI think I will just recreate an env according to docs and do it again [16:50:34] [zulip] you need to create the env from a kube context using the buster image [16:51:08] qedk: well, I think https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Toolforge/Web#python3.7_(Python3_+_Kubernetes) then [16:52:06] [zulip] that should work for webservices yep [16:52:56] tonythomas: you will need to rebuild your venv for the new target runtime. There is a some magic to help with that in the `webservice-python-bootstrap --fresh` command that is provided inside the Python Kubernetes containers [16:54:09] okey. I think I am already deep inside the commands from the link above. Funny thing is that `tools.google-drive-photos-to-commons@tools-sgebastion-07:~/www/python$ webservice --backend=kubernetes python3.7 shell` gives me `Pod is not ready in time` after a couple of seconds [16:54:26] trying your stuff then bd808 [16:54:45] the `shell` command can be a bit too quick to give up [16:54:57] it should work eventually ;) [16:55:21] hahah. you are right. now on it! [16:56:23] well, `webservice-python-bootstrap` did not go that smooth frankly. [16:56:41] so trying with `--fresh` [16:57:00] if you already have a venv I think it fails without --fresh [16:57:20] * bd808 can't remember exactly how legoktm's code works there [16:57:30] yeah. hahah. I was expecting some more extra magic hahah [16:57:32] but lets see [17:13:46] Hmm. I see that after sourcing the new virutalenv that was created, `python3 --version ` is still `3.5.3` [17:14:51] some logs https://dpaste.org/B48B [17:22:34] * Lucas_WMDE looks for more info on webservice-paython-bootstrap [17:22:38] sounds cool [17:22:42] tonythomas: you will only have py3.7 while you are inside a Kubernetes container [17:23:00] it does not magically install py3.7 on the bastion [17:23:11] bd808: aha. so I have to be there, start the service and leave. Gotcha hahh [17:23:41] tonythomas: well, `webservice python3.7 start` will do that [17:24:21] okey now I see your point. I still have to install some extra deps (in a different file) etc [17:24:24] Lucas_WMDE: it is under-documented legoktm magic. :) If you have questions you should bug him until he writes more docs I guess. ;) [17:24:26] let me try to connect back to that shell. [17:24:29] ^^ [17:25:03] * bd808 is breaking his rule about Toolforge support outside of #wikimedia-cloud [17:25:40] oopsie. so that is the place to be :D. [17:30:12] the app is back in action on python3.7 :) Thanks people! [17:37:24] it's also bd808 who happens to know all the answers about kubernetes on toolforge 😆 [17:37:45] maybe not all, but some ;) [17:38:27] my day job for the last 4 years has been supporting Toolforge and Cloud VPS projects, so hopefully I have picked up some tips [17:38:52] ahaha quite a lot of tips [17:39:32] and I invented those names for the services (probably more a blame thing than a praise thing) [17:40:25] * qedk reminisces back when all services had the word "labs" in them [17:41:01] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Labs_labs_labs -- it was a dark time y'all [17:42:38] see also: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Beta_beta_beta [17:42:39] million-dollar question: should horizon have a relevant name [17:43:26] horizon is an upstream project. We maybe should have deployed it using a hostname that is different than the upstream project name, but naming is hard [17:51:07] hello [17:52:25] yes, I will write some more documentation :p [20:11:37] would i be correct in thinking that a lot of people just don't like wikidata in general? why is there a mix of {{short description}} and wikidata, other than the fact that wikidata is about 99% incomprehensible and unusable? [20:12:16] i like wikidata and find it much easier to edit than Wikipedia [20:19:57] hello. on en.wikipedia, in the sidebar, language interwiki links show up in a weird order that makes it hard to search them. what order are those supposed to be, and how can I change or reset it? I don't have the filter thing enabled that hides long language lists. [20:23:03] it's currently broken [20:23:12] they're not supposed to be in a random order [20:24:08] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257625 [20:26:52] Reedy: thank you