[11:08:03] [[Tech]]; 65.96.125.113; /* MediaWiki forum */Added link; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=20117343&oldid=20115683&rcid=15568987 [11:11:13] [[Tech]]; 65.96.125.113; /* Starting new wikis */Added comment; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=20117345&oldid=20117343&rcid=15568990 [16:21:37] have there been any changes to the skins lately? [16:22:16] Can you be any more specific? [16:23:51] I use a heavily customized version which is made to look like Classic (because Vector is ugly), and today it's broken. [16:24:49] Vector is undergoing chanes [16:25:04] Are these changes in progress, or completed? [16:25:09] In progress [16:25:10] For a while [16:25:21] Thank you [16:25:39] There's a way t go back to the old version [16:26:16] Which seems to have disappeared [16:29:51] no point in fixing my customizations until after the changes have stabilized [16:35:14] do you have any idea why Vector is undergoing changes? [16:35:57] reading team recommendations afaik [16:36:39] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/desktop_improvements/ [16:38:11] looks like https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements might be a better starting point [16:39:56] there's some dissection here as well (and probably why your customizations broke): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Interface_administrators%27_noticeboard#T252467:_Remove_"div"_qualifier_from_user_CSS [16:39:57] T252467: Notify editors and users to update their Vector gadgets and user scripts/styles on portal CSS selector simplification - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252467 [16:40:55] * Dragonfly6-7 takes a few screenshots of tabs I already had open, so as to preserve what the pages are supposed to look like [16:58:47] qedk - thank you, I can almost parse that. Will you be available later today for some more detailed qusetions? [16:59:23] Dragonfly6-7 you'll get better help at [[WP:VPT]] or [[WP:IANB]], i [16:59:32] I am not that adept at CSS [18:11:27] [zulip] Test! [18:11:58] test passed [18:12:27] @Reedy 🙃 [18:13:41] hah [18:14:27] [zulip] hauskatze, we see you on the other side :) [18:17:03] the [zulip] tag in every message is unnecessary [18:18:17] AntiComposite: Yeah! I think you have a point there! All messages forwarded from zulip is done by the bot, hence the username of the bot prefixes the message. That's good enough [18:19:15] [zulip] Quoting: [irc] AntiComposite: Yeah! I think you have a point there! All messages forwarded from zulip is done by the bot, hence the username of the bot prefixes the message. That's good enough [18:19:15] @Ankit Maity, a gentle room for improvement? See message above! [18:19:21] No one has complained about [telegram] in #wmhack [18:19:23] * Reedy shrugs [18:19:38] The Matrix bridge uses a 1:1 Matrix user to IRC user connection, which I think is better, but that has more overhead [18:20:22] * xSavitar hi five's Reedy :) [18:21:00] [zulip] Quoting: [irc] AntiComposite: Yeah! I think you have a point there! All messages forwarded from zulip is done by the bot, hence the username of the bot prefixes the message. That's good enough [18:21:00] @Ankit Maity, a gentle room for improvement? See message above! [18:21:00] Doable! this will need a codebase-side update so a bit of time to deploy the fix :) [18:21:19] ok that quoting thing is getting annoying [18:54:35] is there a way to tell ssh that it should use ssh-agent only for some connections, but not for others? [18:56:54] If you do your ssh config for hosts, and point it at the various files for various connections... [18:57:11] you can tell it to use IdentityFile, and if it's loaded in the agent... [19:07:59] and you can set IdentityAgent too [20:12:39] It has been raised on the Swedish village pump (and noticed by me today/yesterday) that the link to "add other language" link in the sidebar is missing for articles which does not yet have a Wikidata connection. Previously this would still be viable and help either connect to an existing item or with another language which also did not have a WD item and create one. Why has this been removed? [20:13:14] https://imgur.com/a/aeauWfx [20:13:35] Josve05a: there's a bug report [20:13:49] you know which ticket? [20:15:48] Josve05a: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252800 I think [20:15:49] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T252800 [20:16:08] Unless it's a case of https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T251387 but probably not [20:16:59] Danke! [20:17:46] varsĂ„god [20:18:00] Assuming deployments go correctly, it should be fixed this week [20:18:22] * Nemo_bis thought it had been fixed already but failed to check [20:23:04] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikipediafrĂ„gor#LĂ€nk_till_Wikidata [20:24:59] if a new cronjob is triggered with `-once` while the previous instance is still running, does the new job get terminated or does the old one? [20:25:49] The new one won't start. [20:26:05] The problem occurred two weeks ago in 1.35.0-wmf.32, got deployed to Group 0 and Group 1, the deployment train got blocked before Group 2 (most wikipedias) due to another issue, then last week there was no train due to release engineering being busy not engineering releases, the blocker got fixed, then Monday was a US holiday, so most Wikipedias finally got the bug this morning, and it should be fixed when wmf.34 is [20:26:05] deployed Thursday. [20:26:23] ahh good then, thanks JJMC89[m] [20:29:53] thanks AntiComposite and Nemo_bis for the rundown. I've tried to explain that to the less techy sv.wp people [20:37:40] I actually understand most of the Swedish in the first messages but not yours ^_^ [20:39:21] lol [20:40:04] I like run-on sentences in Swedish [20:44:46] here's an issue: when you rename a file (on enwiki), it is possible to accidentally change the extension - and, as a result, get an error message. XYZ.jpg => BetterFilename,jpg for instance. However, when importing a file to Commons, the 'change filename while importing' functionality detects the file extension and segregates it from the editable filename. [20:44:56] could this functionality be adapted for enwiki [20:45:58] and, have I explained it sufficiently clearly? [20:46:21] moving files is in core while the functionality you describe is in the extension to import files, I suppose [20:46:52] you can submit a patch :) [20:47:05] but yes, there are ways to share such functionalities [20:47:06] qedk - that requires a skillset I don't have. [20:47:45] you can post a feature request on phab, lotta people around might take some time but yeah [20:48:50] posting a feature request on phab is, again, not within my skillset [20:49:00] lol [20:49:04] same [20:49:27] it's much easier than bugzilla was tbh... [20:49:50] just wish phab had a dark mode [20:50:16] qedk - have you ever heard of the 'curse of knowledge' ? [20:50:46] it's a cognitive bias: when you know something, it's much more difficult to conceive of what things are like for people who don't know that thing [20:50:47] nup, what's that now [20:51:03] "how can you not understand this? It's easy! I understand it!" [20:51:22] ahhh, i do tend to assume that but it's out of respect, i'd rather assume you know everything and if you don't, i can assist :) [20:52:07] I'm aware of the best place to ask, and I'm aware of helpful ways to describe the issues. [20:52:56] the use of phab, bugzilla, etc, is not within my toolbox. [20:54:04] no worries but it might help getting to know how phab works because that's where most bugs are reported and resolved :) [20:54:10] [[Tech]]; Ruslik0; /* Starting new wikis */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=20118515&oldid=20117345&rcid=15571784 [20:54:24] [[Tech]]; Ruslik0; /* Starting new wikis */; https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=20118516&oldid=20118515&rcid=15571785 [20:54:52] Would you be able to file that request on my behalf? [20:55:52] Dragonfly6-7 sure why not, i'll do it tomorrow probably so adding it to notes, to be specific you wanted the Special:Move on files to function separately from the extension? [20:56:46] hmmmm [20:58:07] a filename has two components - one is the filetype extension, our article on 'filename' indicates that there's no universally accepted name for the other component [20:58:36] i would like for Special:Move on (that other component) to function separately from the extension, yes [20:58:51] gotcha! [20:59:31] because it's too easy to mistype a comma instead of a period, and thereby trigger an error message [21:00:06] or if the fingers are marginally out of sync and one types ".pgn" instead of ".png", etc [21:00:24] qedk: Phabricator has Dark Mode but it's experiment (from what I see here) [21:00:50] qedk: Go to "Settings > Display Preferences" [21:00:51] xSavitar any idea if the wmf instance will get it anytime soon (so much easier on my eyes) [21:00:59] ahh let me try it rn thanks! [21:01:00] qedk: It's already there [21:01:36] It's marked experimental so not sure if it might have issues. I've not used it myself but I've seen it around qedk [21:01:49] Let me know if it works for you :) [21:02:27] xSavitar - comics or vedas? [21:03:19] Dragonfly6-7: Not sure what you mean :) [21:03:53] whither "Savitar" ? [21:03:54] xSavitar it's quite blue, but it's better than white so i'll take it tbh :) [21:06:03] qedk: Okay [21:06:07] Dragonfly6-7: Comic [21:07:18] were you reading during the Waid run? [21:08:30] Dragonfly6-7: Nope :D [21:08:52] Johns? [21:09:13] more precisely, do you remember who was writing when you were reading? [23:07:23] Hi, is it possible to see project namespace's short form (eg. WP: for Wikipedia:) for a particular wiki publicly? [23:08:42] Yeah [23:08:48] the API will show you aliases [23:09:08] Could you point me to the link or tell me how to search? [23:09:17] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=namespaces|namespacealiases [23:09:33] I just had to get to the link as I don't have it memorised :P [23:09:46] In this case, you only really care about the aliases at the bottom [23:10:13] Thanks. Is it possible to propose a short form in local language script on Phabricator? [23:10:31] Yeah, that'd be how you'd request it [23:10:36] Put it under Wikimedia-Site-Requests [23:11:00] Great. Will do so, I'll propose to the VP first and get feedback from the community. [23:11:39] I needed the link so I can make a well explained request. [23:11:50] Thanks for your help, Reedy! [23:11:55] np