[04:56:20] Tulsi, Nemo_bis: that's implemented in the PageCuration/PageTriage extension, which it really shouldn't be, because that extension has some code that is en.wp specific [05:20:48] :O [05:34:49] legoktm, Tulsi, and it's never been shown that it helped with anything so it should probably be removed too. [05:35:08] I wasn't sure whether Tulsi was talking about that one or the English Wikinews-specific measures. [05:38:22] Idk if it's been helpful, but I can certainly say it's been incredibly frustrating for me [05:38:23] I am saying that non-notable people create their own biography articles or promote spam links etc across globally and it get visible on Google anytime soon. This is wrong (misinformation promotes). [05:38:56] I was at a NYC meetup and someone asked me to help them figure out why their article wasn't showing up on Google, took me 3 hours to figure it out [05:39:32] On enwiki, if an article is not patrolled it won't shown in Google [05:39:52] This is good and useful i think [05:40:31] good for reputation of Wikipedia.. misinformation doesn't promotes because of this over the internet [05:44:54] I'm not sure how useful it is in effect, because new pages don't instantly show up in Google anyways [05:45:10] And I don't think patrolling information is that well surfaced in the UI [05:48:22] news pages on enwiki (which is patrolled) will be live on Google within 24hrs [05:50:06] new* [05:52:03] There must be some magic inside PageCuration tool.. [07:09:51] legoktm: new pages from other Wikipedias usually show up in Google within few minutes AFAICT [07:10:45] Tulsi: nope; having vandalism show up in Google is exactly what we want to happen, so that the Linus law can be put at work Linus's Law [07:11:03] The problem is when the vandalism is fixed and Google keeps the vandalised version in the cache. :) [07:11:08] * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus%27s_law [07:11:50] Of course some sections of Wikipedia users have not believed in the Linus law for a while now, but it still remains our operating principle. [07:13:17] There's definitely no valid reason for that code to live in PageCuration... If it exists, it should be in core [07:14:09] I think there's compromises to be had. e.g. Say a delay of the shorter of 6 hours or when NPP happens [07:14:17] So people aren't having races with admins [07:17:20] It would need to be configurable though. [07:17:41] And the current method makes a lot of assumptions about how antivandalism works in a wiki. [07:18:27] The overall task is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T50552 [07:19:11] Well i don't think adjusting noindex tags belongs with the PageCuration stuff at all [07:20:05] There's a mess of other wiki-specific stuff in page curation, but no need for the noindex hack to be bound to it. MediaWiki core has its own page patrol stuff, it would make much more sense just to have the noindex hack work with that stuff [07:24:31] We'd probably at least need to separate (from "patrol"?) the permission to see whether a page is patrolled or not, otherwise the noindex would be a "leak" of supposedly restricted information. [07:24:53] (I've never understood why people want to hide that, but whatever.) [07:29:57] Isn't it already a leak? [07:30:53] In any case, patrol is already leaked by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/patrol [07:31:06] But only for the English Wikipedia. :P [07:31:10] Hmm not all patrolling is logged. [07:31:29] Although I guess you cannot rollback a page creation. [07:31:31] I think it used to be, but people got tired of autopatrol [07:35:14] IIRC autopatrol overwhelmed the Wikidata db [07:36:03] Also, I'm sad that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log still shows new user creation by default. I had a patch like years ago to change that [07:36:42] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/mediawiki/core/+/384196/ only waiting 3 years for review :P [07:36:47] Probably needs a rebase ;) [07:37:58] holy shit, did not need a manual rebase! [07:40:20] +2'd [07:40:56] ahah [07:40:59] Wooo! [07:42:05] Last week at WMF, getting all my stuff merged ;) [07:42:20] aww [07:42:41] * bawolff gives legoktm a virtual stroopwafel [07:42:49] :D [07:42:52] * legoktm hugs bawolff [07:43:17] bawolff: what's blocking https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/core/+/572404 ? [07:43:18] Well, I'll still be here, just differently :) [07:43:54] There was something stupid with the tests in CirrusSearch i think [07:45:08] and gerrit was also confusing me with its UI for dependent changes [07:47:01] I rechecked again since the logs expired [07:47:32] I rechecked first though [07:47:55] oops [07:49:49] bawolff: remove your -1 on https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/CentralAuth/+/571426 ? [07:51:35] it's VE failing now [07:51:37] ve.dm.MWInternalLinkAnnotation [07:51:39] https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/job/wmf-quibble-core-vendor-mysql-php72-docker/19278/console [07:55:05] *sigh* [07:55:21] Well i think that's a problem to solve a different day for me [17:57:53] bawolff your not allowed to leave :(