[00:00:03] I'll just go to bed. [00:12:14] probably best, that's usually load based [00:12:40] hi [00:12:41] someone had the same issue a while ago, I think it was on a mailing list somewhere [00:13:27] hi hispano76. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about skins or the PortableInfobox extension [00:14:20] That seems to be more the case with some skins. [00:16:30] It seems to have happened before but I don't remember which template or which wiki.. [00:22:54] I don't quite see how that jeblad issue could be blamed on PAWS [00:23:37] I would rather look on pywikibot and wikidata itself first [00:26:52] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/pywikibot/2020-January/009977.html was the thread [00:27:07] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T243701 is the ticket [00:27:23] and yeah, it's probably wdqs's fault [02:55:31] About what I said hours ago. It's an underlined word [05:27:43] AntiComposite: I've seen this lag in command line calls on pywikibot too, but that didn't involve wdq [05:37:55] It was touch on wikipedia articles, but it could still involve wdq [08:33:50] Hi all [08:36:21] Regarding chaches, is the request to a page generally bound to end up on the same local server every time? [08:40:01] Or do you never know, ending up at a new server every time you reload a page? [08:45:47] kalle: it depends what server you're referring to. [08:46:14] https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_at_WMF was recently updated by the helpful K.rinkle [08:48:16] Nemo_bis: Wikipedia [08:48:32] Yes, there are several layers to that. [08:48:51] For instance if you mean the loadbalancer in front of things then in Europe you're likely to always see text-lb.esams.wikimedia.org [08:49:00] Is this what you were asking about? [08:51:17] While if you have some specific problem with the content of a page (say, some broken image thumbnail) then it doesn't matter so much what server is serving it to you, because the problem originates with the server which generated it. (So we need to purge the cache etc.) [08:51:56] kalle: maybe it's easier if you just ask directly about the specific issue you have in mind, if any. :) [08:52:49] Nemo_bis: Sort of. I'm new at WMSE, working with Wikispeech. Looking at caching some results that are semi expensive to evaluate on each request to a page. So we should cache it. But does it make most sense to cache on LocalServer, LocalClusterInstance or MainObjectStash? I suppose one shoudl stay as local as possible to save resources, but if every request to a page at a given revision goes to a new server, then caching at LocalServer-level makes no [08:58:05] Ah I see. That's a good point, I'm not sure the developer documentation on caching was updated after the numerous changes. [08:59:39] kalle: I think you're expected to use the WAN cache as a starting point. Were you looking at this? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Caching#Interfaces [09:01:12] "Staying as local as possible" doesn't necessarily save resources, there are hundreds of application servers. In general as a developer you should not be thinking of datacentre structure (MediaWiki is supposed to be independent from that) but of what makes sense for the application. [09:01:21] Nemo_bis: Yeah, that was my starting point :D [09:01:41] Good, I want to make sure we have the documentation where people look for it. :) [09:02:45] So... I shouldn't really think about caching at all, just go WAN and then have ops people complain to me about my use of cache at some point if it all goes sour? Haha [09:03:00] Hey, thanks for helping out! I need this. [09:03:18] basically yes ;) [09:03:48] Or rather, I suggest that you start with that and then share some information on how the cached objects look like, ask a second opinion [09:04:45] "Funny", https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment links https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Performance_guidelines#Caching_layers which sports a couple red links. :) [09:15:25] I hope that in the future I'll be able to fill out the black spots in the map I'm bumping in to early as a WM-dev. [09:15:55] And really, thanks for the feedback. I'll keep hanging here and bother you guys for the next week or so haha [09:33:10] Good :) [09:51:12] Hi all! I've noticed https://stats.wikimedia.org/ is down. Will it be up again soon? [09:53:27] It's up for me. [09:53:43] Up here as well (Sweden). [09:53:54] US here :) [09:56:14] For me and colleague in another town it's down in the Netherlands. [09:56:31] So different ip's, different browsers [09:56:41] Different providers [10:01:23] my stats.wikimedia.org hits the esams chache server, which seems to be up and running as normal, tried pinging stats.wikimedia.org? [10:01:51] Hmmm, how do I do that...? [10:02:47] by typing "ping stats.wikimedia.org" into a terminal. [10:05:04] a terminal....? Sorry, might be better if I just file a phab ticket [10:07:03] Ah, got it. It says sent:4 - received:4 [10:07:54] Phabricator gives internal error? [10:08:13] Internal Server Error [10:08:33] Ok, is that all it says? If you have a VPN or a cellphone with a different Internet provider it might be valuable to try that? [10:11:22] Turning of the VPN again, helped [10:25:02] Just tried accessing it from a server in Amsterdam and it works. [10:35:31] I tried accessing from my VPN through Montreal and still nothing [15:23:25] PAWS just started to report variant sleep time. Previously it was always 5sec. [15:25:04] Sorry, my code change trigegred the change in behavior [16:19:55] jeblad: my point is it seems to be either a bug in your code, wikidata being slow or a bug in pywikibot. Not a PAWS specific problem. [17:45:26] I have a problem with a chip. I get a white line down the words as if they were underlined. It seems to be a problem caused with Paddingy Margin but I can't get it out with the CSS. Does this have a solution? It happens to me in the Timeless skin and it seems to be a problem with some Wikipedia templates. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/z9Yza9vS/Anotaci%C3%B3n%202020-03-04%20162800.jpg (also happens to other skins) [17:49:01] Are those headers? If so, those are the header underlines, added in :after pseudoelements for better font support. [17:49:56] Um, so they can't be removed? If so, any way to change the color? [17:51:26] Because the underlines in the headers only appear when they are two words [18:41:42] The funny thing is that in the mobile version you don't notice XD [19:51:25] PAWS being the service where a bug manifests, the root cause might be someone at ops that forget to make offerings to the God of Bugs and Minor Erros. I know nothing about that as I can't observe the people at ops. I can although observe how PAWS behave, or misbehaves. [19:52:12] And PAWS has a serious problem with lag when accessing Wikidata. [19:52:49] * jeblad off to make screencast [22:24:23] Is there a recommended color palette in Mediawiki? to properly select colors that do not hinder the display of a page, [22:25:52] I'm sure that question partially depends on what skin you're using :) [22:28:43] Sorry, I was referring to the colors that would be added to a table for example. It's because it's strange that I've chosen some colors [22:28:51] Reedy: