[00:07:55] addshore: hello, can I private message you? [00:08:37] my meta.wikipedia.org pseudo is Iamamz3 [00:54:23] is it possible to use mediawiki extensions on wikipedia? [00:55:04] only those that are already installed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version) [00:55:39] let me rephrase. if a community that has its own wikipedia wants to use a particular extension on it, can they do so? [00:55:45] and how does that get set up? [00:55:54] I mean hosted on *.wikipedia.org in their language [00:57:06] I've written a mediawiki extension for an independent mediawiki-based site, and there's now the possibility that this wikipedia group/committee may want to integrate it somehow onto their wikipedia. but I don't know if that's even technically possible [00:57:29] I'm in discussion with them but wanted to check in on technical details first so I have a better understanding of the implications [00:58:45] In theory, yes it’s possible [00:58:55] But there are various steps you need to take [00:59:29] Reedy: how do I find out which foundation runs a particular wikipedia? like if it's part of wikimedia from a particular country or just wikimedia foundation? [00:59:43] this is balinese wikipedia, which may or may not fall under wikimedia indonesia somehow [01:00:24] ban.wikipedia.org [01:00:30] The foundation runs all the wikis [01:00:42] The chapters do not run the language wikis [01:00:47] what do they run, then? [01:01:02] my understanding is that wikimedia deutschland (for example) runs wikidata [01:01:12] It’s still hosted by the foundation [01:01:23] ok, well hosted by and run by are not necessarily the same thing [01:01:29] WMDE are the primary developer/maintainer of wiki data [01:01:46] I don’t think any of the chapters necessarily even control the content etc [01:02:08] They might be involved in policy, but there’s definitely a disconnect [01:02:20] ok [01:03:31] so anyway it sounds like it would be wikimedia foundation that would have to set this up one way or another [01:03:43] You need local consensus on the wiki too [01:03:46] Yeah [01:03:59] right, I am waiting for them to get back to me on what they actually want to do or not do [01:04:32] It needs severity, performance sign off etc [01:04:36] Security [01:04:46] there's also a possibility that it would make more sense to put this extension, and the content it works with, on wikisource rather than wikipedia proper. there's currently no balinese wikisource but I guess there could be [01:04:47] And I think an owner inside her foundation too [01:04:57] Reedy: ok right, I was pretty sure that would be involved [01:05:00] Is it something that isn’t deployed on any wiki yet? [01:05:07] it's deployed on palmleaf.org [01:05:17] and the source is on github [01:05:20] but it isn't used elsewhere [01:05:23] Any foundation wik [01:05:27] no [01:05:47] Let me get my laptop and Get the docs for the process [01:05:56] yeah if I could read the docs, that would be really helpful [01:06:07] they can decide what they want to do but I doubt there are many php coders among them [01:07:25] since it's a small group in bali probably and focused mainly on content [01:07:38] Basically, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Writing_an_extension_for_deployment [01:07:57] ok cool [01:08:25] btw if we wanted to use it on wikisource rather than wikipedia, is there any obvious reason we couldn't do that? [01:08:48] Nope [01:08:56] Process is the same [01:08:58] ok, so that's up to them, cool [01:09:19] Though, when it's deployed on one wiki, deploying it elsewhere (in most cases) is just a case of consensus that they want the extension [01:10:07] well, I mean process but also coding -- like, I dunno if wikisource is very different. this extension pops up an editor on top of the default one for page editing in certain cases. urgh... just realized it probably won't work as currently conceived, actually [01:10:23] since the hook for the editor is different on mobile for the default skin (forget the name) [01:10:30] vector [01:10:45] and minerva nueue on mobile [01:10:48] yeah, so that's actually a much bigger issue than wikisource vs wikipedia, haha [01:11:13] I wrote this extension just to do what was needed to make palmleaf.org work, not conceived as ever deploying to wikipedia or similar [01:11:33] maybe I'll come back to ask how I could modify it if they decide they want to proceed [01:11:45] I have a feeling it's too hackish in its current form [01:11:48] Seems a reasonable way forward [01:11:59] I couldn't say without looking at the code [01:17:11] oh also, it has various config parameters. is there actually a site-wide LocalSettings.php that can be modified (with consensus obviously)? [01:19:09] https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php [01:21:46] interesting, ok [01:21:55] banwiki is in that list [01:22:33] Nearly every wiki will have some customisation of some sort [01:30:39] an alternative to direct integration _might_ be for edits to palmleaf.org to trigger a bot to update balinese wikisource (say) [01:31:17] I've heard there is a process for getting bots approved as well [01:32:03] Depends on the wiki [01:32:11] Some it's formal, some it's very informal [01:32:16] ok [01:32:29] does formal also mean code review? [01:32:36] not opposed to code review, just want to understand [01:33:16] It depends :) [01:33:33] haha ok [01:33:34] It's upto the wiki itself how they want to organise that [01:33:38] And give out bot rights etc [06:56:49] can twinkle's settings be loaded with import script? i've tried but t idoesn't work [17:41:34] hello [17:41:53] for 3 days, I've been unable to connect to Wikimedia at all [17:42:25] (even no response to `ping`) [17:42:53] all the other sites work as usual [17:43:33] this happens no matter what device I use, as long as I use my home Internet connection [17:43:38] should all call my ISP? [17:43:44] s/all/I/ [17:44:11] What you see in the browser? [17:45:20] normal timeout [17:46:29] Where in the world are you? [17:47:23] Lublin, Poland [17:52:08] <_joe_> Piotrek: does phabricator.wikimedia.org work? [17:52:46] no [17:52:49] but lists.wikimedia.org does [17:53:03] <_joe_> makes sense [17:54:17] _joe_: ooi, what's the difference between them? [17:54:25] there's been a moment yesterday when I was able to browse Wikipedia, but that was just around 5 minutes [17:54:32] there was a moment* [17:54:46] <_joe_> Piotrek: are you using windows, mac or linux? [17:54:50] Linux [17:54:59] <_joe_> ok great :) [17:55:21] Yay, actual troubleshooting tools :) [17:55:36] I guess ;) [17:55:40] <_joe_> can you please run mtr --report-wide --aslookup --tcp --port 443 en.wikipedia.org [17:55:47] <_joe_> and paste the results somewhere? [17:56:06] <_joe_> I'll point the network people to it [17:56:28] 0/govox [17:57:08] https://termbin.com/a1uh [17:57:57] <_joe_> thanks [17:59:27] Piotrek: thanks, that points to a problem with one of our carriers and we are on it [17:59:42] glad I could help [17:59:45] Piotrek: can you also go to http://test-ipv6.com/helpdesk/ [17:59:48] and give us your IP? [18:00:00] if you're not comfortable doing this in public, send it to me in a private message [18:00:08] IPv4 Only [18:00:09] IPv4: Good, AS39288 - NETTE [18:00:11] IPv6: no [18:00:13] IPv4 address: 158.255.88.253 [18:00:19] great, thank you [19:03:50] Hey y'all. Is it possible to manually update Special:UnusedImages somehow? [21:12:14] why am i not able to edit the callback url of my oauth consumer [21:47:01] cfizz: Just submit a new one [22:44:24] reedy: that's really dumb, there's no true way to edit the callback? and i can't even delete my old one? [23:38:15] _joe_: oh, I can access Wikimedia now [23:38:25] the question is for how long