[17:14:37] <pharos>	 Devs, if you're working on pesky phab tickets, I think this is an underappreciated one that is really holding back community organizing: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T218724
[17:28:16] <andre__>	 pharos: I'm afraid that no random "dev" will click a random link to then realize that they have no idea about that codebase or if they suddenly have too much spare time...
[17:31:05] <pharos>	 andre__ I sais "if". I was hoping to preserve the mystery of the bug, but anyway the email-to-user function is massively broken for MassMessage and has been for years.
[17:32:05] <andre__>	 pharos, true. :) My point was: If you have approx. 2700 software projects, throwing in a link without any context (context like: "MassMessage") won't make people click your link
[17:32:25] <andre__>	 as people might not know the codebase of that 1 out of 2700 code bases.
[18:33:32] <Nemo_bis>	 I agree that our "new" email notifications are much less personalised than they used to be and as a result they probably get much lower open rates, let alone clicks. There were a number of reports back then (2013?) but I think the project was wrapped up before it could be concluded, or sometihng.
[18:46:57] <bawolff>	 I did promise to fix the mass message bug
[18:47:05] <bawolff>	 Still intend to do that
[18:47:20] <bawolff>	 Along with a billion other things :S
[18:47:40] <bawolff>	 Clearly i should just turn it into a gci task!
[18:47:52] <bawolff>	 Actually wait, can I?
[18:48:07] <bawolff>	 Its kind of complicated for that...
[18:48:44] <bawolff>	 Also not sure how other devs feel about special casing mass message in echo
[18:49:11] <bawolff>	 Are there even echo devs now a days, no idea who is responsible for it in modern times
[18:52:09] <Urbanecm>	 hmm, well, if it's doable with no special permissions and would take you below a workday, go for it :-)
[19:06:07] <bawolff>	 Its below a workday if i figure out what needs to be done ahead of time and spell it out step by step ;)
[19:06:31] <bawolff>	 I dont know, ill have to take another look at it, it might be borderline
[19:08:00] <bawolff>	 But i also think its good to have more challenging tasks to mix it up for students who have done a lot of tasks and are maybe getting bored of them. Especially later on in the contest
[19:08:14] <Urbanecm>	 exactly
[19:08:21] <Urbanecm>	 "it's hard to do" is not a reason to not include
[19:08:30] <Urbanecm>	 some students might want to claim the hard tasks as a challenge
[19:09:59] <bawolff>	 Task: rewrite mediawiki in haskell
[19:10:08] <IAmNetx>	 Would claim.
[19:10:14] <Urbanecm>	 hi IAmNetx :)
[19:10:20] <IAmNetx>	 hi :)
[19:15:41] <Urbanecm>	 bawolff: are you able to review https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/NewUserMessage/+/556983?
[19:16:46] <bawolff>	 Hmm. I dont know much about eslint
[19:17:10] <bawolff>	 I can confirm that if jenkins says its ok, than 95% chance its ok
[19:17:33] <Urbanecm>	 i see. do you know someone who can human-confirm that?
[19:17:47] <Urbanecm>	 we're close to the 36 hours deadline in GCI :/
[19:21:55] <bawolff>	 Ok, i can probably do it then, let me just read through the bug
[19:22:28] <Urbanecm>	 thanks a lot
[19:23:11] <Urbanecm>	 https://codein.withgoogle.com/dashboard/task-instances/5232919421911040/, in case you're interested
[19:25:30] <bawolff>	 So, previous similar task said to not include eslint as dependency as grunt-eslint does it for you
[19:26:11] <bawolff>	 Although then it was merged as is, so i guess thats ok
[19:29:56] <gry>	 hi guys, is there a special page to see any sysops who have been active in the last two years?
[19:30:22] <Urbanecm>	 gry: not a special page, but https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ can help for wikimedia wikis
[19:30:36] <Urbanecm>	 also https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/stewardry/
[19:30:58] <Urbanecm>	 if you do want a special page, special:log is the only possibility i think
[19:33:15] <gry>	 yes it is a wikimedia wiki
[19:33:25] <Urbanecm>	 then the tools i linked should be good :-)
[19:33:36] <Urbanecm>	 let me know if not (and why not), I'll try to help
[19:33:54] <gry>	 which one in particular?
[19:34:12] <Urbanecm>	 both can help
[19:34:14] <Urbanecm>	 try them out :)
[19:35:20] <gry>	 sorry
[19:35:26] <gry>	 there is a dozen of tools at xtools
[19:35:45] <gry>	 it is too confusing if you see what i mean
[19:35:45] <Urbanecm>	 https://xtools.wmflabs.org/adminstats
[19:35:47] <Urbanecm>	 better?
[19:36:31] <gry>	 yes very good, thank you
[19:36:45] <Urbanecm>	 yw
[19:40:33] <bawolff>	 Urbanecm: i approved task
[19:40:40] <Urbanecm>	 thanks
[19:40:59] <bawolff>	 It looked correct. Hopefully it actually is ;)
[19:41:24] <Urbanecm>	 at least it's not going to break a train :D