[02:12:40] halfak: sure, if you are still around [02:12:53] sorry, my underscore self is not very ping-friendly [02:13:01] Hey tgr! [02:13:04] Yeah I'm here. [02:13:53] So how are those "default" values set? [02:15:13] https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-ORES/blob/master/extension.json#L231 [02:17:29] are we actually testing things in Safari 5.1? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Compatibility#Desktop [02:22:03] Thank you, tgr! [15:53:43] Hello, I'm wondering whether it's possible to use the production cxserver locally - machine translation isn't working. Do I need a token? [18:30:59] Does the REST API rate-limit after a few (maybe 5) requests? [18:31:27] I'm getting 95B replies to my GET. [18:34:30] nos, what query are you using, and are you setting a descriptive user agent? [18:41:55] https://www.mediawiki.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=linkshere&titles=Maxima%20and%20minima [18:42:28] I think I had it working earlier... [18:42:47] You're trying to find links to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Maxima_and_minima ? [18:43:14] (That's the Action API, not the REST Api, but that doesn't really matter) [18:43:36] user agent might be key [18:43:40] ST47: Yes. And cross-reference them with another page [18:44:02] That page doesn't exist? Nothing links to it [18:44:06] ^ [18:44:12] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&format=json&prop=linkshere&titles=Maxima%20and%20minima [18:44:49] oh! [18:45:52] In most cases, you have to try pretty hard to actually be rate-limited. The actual problem is usually much simpler [18:46:04] right, I used the ApiSandbox first. It must have copied the data temporarily. [18:52:46] ...but it doesn't give the same results as Special:WhatLinksHere [18:56:47] The default is to return 10 results unless you specify a limit [18:56:53] The "continue" key is for pagination [18:56:54] ooh [18:57:03] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Linkshere [18:57:54] linkshere also doesn't find pages that link to redirects, you have to do that yourself [19:10:30] There is a huge number of results missing from linkshere. [19:12:22] Many of the links to that page are actually to redirects. [19:13:07] If you want those results, you have to query linkshere for every page that redirects to that page (has "redirect": "" in the JSON response) [19:13:10] Redirects as in "this page has moved" or 'backlinks'? [19:13:30] Page moves are one way to create a redirect [19:14:07] If you go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_value, you end up at Maxima and minima [19:14:21] But those pages are treated as seperate pages [19:15:41] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytope#Applications here we have a non-redirecting link which doesn't show up in linkshere. [19:18:26] {"pageid":23471,"ns":0,"title":"Polytope"}, [19:18:28] wfm [19:19:57] I thought I got the whole list... [19:20:31] oh! [19:21:18] yeah the ApiSandbox ignored lhlimit then [19:23:35] Yeah now I'm getting 402 results. Seems to be working nicely... [19:23:41] Thank you all! :D [21:02:25] Hi there, the IRC office hours for this year's Technical Conference is now starting. Feel free to ask any questions about the conference, the sessions, how to prepare, or anything else! [21:02:52] We've got an AMA (Ask Me Anything) format for this office hours...ask away! [21:03:57] Here is the program / schedule for the event: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Technical_Conference/2019/Program [21:11:48] Still here :) [21:19:01] I'm curious about what considerations go into the timeline [21:19:10] year after year, it feels very rushed [21:19:42] e.g. one week of discussion to choose the sessions [21:21:25] hi tgr ...here's a quick run-down of the timeline for this year's event (it's a little stale, but overall correct) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Technical_Conference/2019/FAQ#What_is_the_overall_timeline? [21:21:47] I'm unsure of your comment of 'one week of discussion' [21:22:10] Is there anything on sister projects? [21:22:39] (I suppose the Aubrey acting as facilitator is not the Wikisource user) [21:23:26] Nemo_bis: the focus of this year's Technical Conference is "Developer Productivity" so, not directly about any project (even enwiki). It's about a level lower than that. [21:25:23] Nemo_bis: I don't know of that Wikisource user, but Aubrey is a WMF employee that is helping to facilitate sessions at this year's event. [21:26:01] well, there was a request for comments on the sessions on Oct 4, with a deadline of Oct 11 (which later got extended to Oct 13 I think) [21:26:52] that seems like an antipattern we follow every year [21:27:43] tgr: yeah, the timeline was short for that, we tried to give as much time as possible, it just didn't work out unfortunately. I think we'll need to get the nominations and survey to happen earlier as it just takes a while for us to digest the survey responses before we can post the session themes/proposals. [21:29:42] tgr, we've also actively encouraged folks to add comments to the Phabricator tickets, even after the deadline for topic proposals. [21:30:17] I know this is all hard work, so thank you organizers. I also think that nominations before program is backwards and makes lots of folks feel excluded after the fact. The whole "if I had know that X was a topic, I would have applied to attend" problem [21:30:40] but with only 50 seats for the conference... maybe its not solvable [21:31:39] Agreed it's a bit odd. We basically tried to follow the same process as last year's. That part might need changing :) [21:34:36] Nemo_bis: are there particular issues related to development of non-encyclopedic things that you had in mind, or were you more interested in who is actually attending this year? [21:34:56] participant list is published at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Technical_Conference/2019/Participants [21:39:29] Oh. I totally forgot the cabal meeting was happening soon [21:39:34] :P [21:44:22] there'd better be hooded figures and candlelight this time around [21:46:15] Us mortals can only imagine [21:46:37] I'm confused as to how this is on-topic. Any other questions about the upcoming Technical Conference. [21:55:17] My apologies i didnt realize this was an actual office hours. I didnt mean to distupt with snark :) [21:59:19] Thanks for the good questions, folks! We have another office hours dedicated to the upcoming Technical Conference tomorrow, October 30, at 5am PT / 10:00 UTC [22:00:34] daaaaamn. this is so formal!