[02:12:45] guys, is there any standard set of tools for creating an activity analysis graph across a wikiproject? for WP:APPLE i would like to know what are the most actively viewed and edited articles in the last day, week, month, and 12 monthly months. i'd like the most active editors and pages summarized visually. [02:13:13] or a list of newly created articles in WP:APPLE [08:44:24] is there or could there be anything like a dashboard or a war room display that spans a wikiproject? [08:46:13] for a wikiproject manager to see a day, week, month, and 12 month summary of membership, new articles, deleted or merged articles, number of edits, edits per user, vandalism, etc [08:46:23] in graph and stats and list form [08:47:01] for a huge list of articles [08:47:25] a big visualizer [10:22:20] the mobile version of wikipedia is still reachable… :/ kind of inconsistent [10:25:34] Nudin_WMDE, all versions of Wikipedia should always be reachable, except for de.wikipedia maybe, if you talk about that? :) [10:26:29] well de.wikipedia.org and 3 others voted to go black for today [10:26:58] but de.m.wikipedia.org is still usable… [10:27:36] with that the protest looses quite a lot of momentum [10:28:11] ah [10:29:39] I get a black page going to https://de.m.wikipedia.org/ on my desktop browser [10:30:51] interessting, I don't [10:31:01] ^^Not me either, no black [10:33:06] Presumably it’s because Seddon just !important’ed the css at MediaWiki:Common.css but not the mobile css [10:33:56] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Mobile.css [10:34:05] is anyone with siteadmin rights here to fix that? [10:35:14] Considering the landing page is down, I'm not sure this is the best moment to double the traffic [10:35:23] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Miscellaneous#European_Parliament_landing_page_down_in_Germany [10:39:51] Nudin_WMDE: Readers will get the banner on mobile. [10:41:32] Seddon: apparently not (people reported to me, I don't have a smartphone) [11:09:02] Nudin_WMDE: Banners are definitely showing but I've added some additional css to Mobile.css [12:11:32] The banners on CentralNotice seem to link to the new landing page but I still see the old link no matter how much I reload the page even after purging the frontend cache, whats up with that? [12:12:08] The yellow button still links to https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/de/home on the live site [12:14:40] Okay nevermind, there are two blackout_de banners and I was looking at the wrong one [15:16:10] So there's no like MediaWiki or technical space proposed so far in wikimania? :( [15:23:06] (Personally speaking, it would feel funny to me to propose something without knowing if I even will end up there.) [15:23:33] yeah that too [15:23:56] Also, it sounds like a big task to properly lead a space [15:24:00] I'm not sure I have enough time to do a proper job of it [15:24:51] maybe I should just bluntly reply that [15:25:48] Maybe i just haven't been paying attention, but the reminder email seems a bit late notice to think about this sort of thing [15:25:58] right [15:26:09] But that's probably because i haven't been following wikimania that much and I'm not subscribed to wikimedia-l [15:28:03] same. [15:42:40] isn't there a hackathon attached to the event? [15:48:34] there is [15:48:36] usually [15:48:49] But it'd still nice to have actual sessions related to mediawiki [15:48:52] and not just a room of people hacking [16:30:41] Is there a definitive way to determine that you’re viewing an old revision as opposed to a diff? The best I’ve come up with is document.getElementById('mw-revision-info') but that’s not ideal [16:37:48] McJohn, nothing in the URL to differentiate on? [16:43:53] Not really; the oldid parameter is fickle and can be in both, and checking for diff is usually pretty good but does a bad job on pages with one revision [16:44:24] Likewise on the first revision of a page [17:54:08] McJohn: yes, there's a variable in mw.config for that. let me look it up [17:55:16] McJohn: mw.config.get( 'wgRevisionId' ) === mw.config.get( 'wgCurRevisionId' ) [17:55:48] 'wgRevisionId' returns the id of the revision you're viewing, and 'wgCurRevisionId' returns the id of the latest ("current") revision of the page [17:57:06] never use the 'oldid' from the URL, it's very confusing, especially with URLs like oldid=123&direction=next, where you're actually viewing a comletely different revision than specified via 'oldid' [17:57:33] MatmaRex: Doesn't distinguish diffs from old revisions. If they're different, you could be on a diff or an old revision [17:58:22] oh, hold on, maybe i misread the question [17:59:30] Yeah, sorry: I'm trying to get a neat way of picking out an old revision from diffs or the current revision [18:00:06] $('#mw-revision-info') is the simplest I've got [18:00:24] looks like there are also mw.config variables for this [18:00:26] mw.config.get( 'wgDiffOldId' ) and mw.config.get( 'wgDiffNewId' ) [18:00:31] if these are missing, you are not viewing a diff [18:01:01] (i found this by looking at how the code in VisualEditor for visual diffs is hooked up) [18:01:33] McJohn: ^ [18:02:02] looks like they were added relatively recently, in MW 1.30 :) [18:02:02] Yeah, that's basically the other option; basically, (wgDiffOldId || wgDiffNewId) && (wgCurRevisionId !== wgRevisionId) [18:04:20] Just gets complicated quick since diff=prev on the first revision and diff=cur on the latest revision give different results [18:17:33] Thanks MR [18:17:34] (should be a bang before the first paren) [18:44:19] https://dispenser.info.tm/~dispenser/cgi-bin/transcluded_changes.py?namespace=&page=Template:WikiProject_Computing is this always down or is it expected to work? [18:44:39] Dispenser: ^ [18:45:21] Need to update my code for the DB changes... [18:48:01] dtm: Fixed. [18:58:11] Dispenser: oh boy! [18:58:33] i just wanted to see what it is lol [19:00:45] is there or could there be anything like a dashboard or a war room display that spans a wikiproject? for a wikiproject manager to see a day, week, month, and 12 month summary of membership, new articles, deleted or merged articles, number of edits, edits per user, vandalism, etc in graph and stats and list form, for a huge list of articles. basically a big visualizer. [19:42:38] dtm: Article Alert bot is the closest thing that comes to mind. I also had useractivity.py which detailed user information from a list (e.g. project list). Unfortunately, these tables are fairly large so are slow to show up to information [19:42:42] Also, whenever user information is included the German community will be vocal. [19:58:54] Dispenser: lol ok how about visualization? [19:59:10] Amir1: Do you still see the outdated message on simplewiki? [19:59:20] Dispenser: had? is it gone now? [20:00:15] Dispenser: if you say a particular report is huge and slow, it could be just monthly [20:01:31] Krinkle: not anymore [20:02:03] Amir1: PHP7 or HHVM? Do you recall roughly what time you saw it? Did it happen on multiple requests and/or on mwdebug? [20:02:49] It was immediately after the train for me. [20:02:57] (On commonswiki.) [20:03:23] I'm on hhvm on simplewiki, it happened in multiple requests. you can check the timestamp with phab. It's roughly the same time [20:03:45] Specifically, reported at 14:04:48 PDT: `14:04:48 Wikidata is showing a sitenotice from 2015, anyone can help?` [20:04:24] I was using PHP7, not sure about the other user who reported it [20:04:40] messagecache issues? [20:04:50] probably someone didn't blank MediaWiki:Sitenotice [20:05:01] It was blank. [20:05:10] legoktm: No, sitenote was blank, it was showing a non-top revision from three years previously. [20:05:30] Hence it's a UBN train blocker, as it's a bit worrying. [20:07:07] dtm: So a bunch of functionality been lost (the "Stalkers" column is less useful for privacy reasons) and ultimately I couldn't workaround the lack of a user tables [20:07:43] huh [20:08:38] is the namespace mediawiki now proteced from reading the source by those without permission? [20:10:31] chicocvenancio, no [20:10:59] https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&action=edit gives me a warning instead of the wiki-code [20:11:05] you can go to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Mainpage&action=edit while logged out and view it [20:11:38] that seems like a bug [20:11:42] ^and we're having an old sitenotice banner showing up (pherhaps through centralnotice?) [20:12:02] it works at https://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Mainpage&action=edit [20:12:10] Maybe because the page is empty? [20:12:33] could be [20:12:47] still a bit confusing, but makes sense [20:12:54] Ultimayely you could still view using action=raw [20:13:21] then we're down to a central notice misconfig on ptwiki [20:13:41] bawolff: that gives me a blank page, which would be consistent with it being empty, lol [20:13:49] alex@alex-laptop:~$ curl 'https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice?action=raw' -Is | grep length [20:13:49] content-length: 0 [20:14:04] can try API too [20:14:24] yeah, diffs worked, its probably a quirk of the message [20:16:17] danilo: the only centralnotices I see enabled for ptwiki are fundraising ones [20:16:27] no national museum ones [20:16:33] looks like a bug [20:16:49] and a similar issue to that Wikidata sitenotice popping 3 years later again [20:17:31] I think this was sitenotice as well, but I didn't take part in making it [20:18:52] hauskatze: but yeah, seems like a dead sitenotice rose from the grave [20:19:34] I have made a zeroedit of sitenotice [20:19:52] and looks like it helped [20:20:02] could you check? [20:22:09] yes, I am not seeing the banner [20:22:14] thanks! [20:23:31] * Krenair should probably request a GEI renewal at some stage [20:25:06] Cladis: thanks [20:25:51] seems to be gone [20:26:54] Dispenser: hmmm so, we have nothing for visualization? graphs and everything? we have that per user or per article, like for https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Apple_Inc. but how about per large set of articles?